# Young Bush Goes to Europe **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 11, 2001, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/young-bush-goes-to-europe/68419 "2001-06-11T14:01:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2001, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/young-bush-goes-to-europe/68419/101 "2001-06-17T09:44:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sam Stone \* > Which countries have ratified it? My guess is the poor ones, that are essentially getting a free ride. Please feel free to read the second half of my previous post that attempts to put Kyoto in a wider context. No western nation believes it is reasonable to ask too much of the poorer countries at this stage of developing a global initiative – that Mr Bush claims he does is, again, ‘spinning’: e.g. Appealing to base, uniformed, nationalistic instincts rather than nurturing informed pragmatism. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sam Stone \* > Kyoto is one of those ‘mom and pop’ things that sounds great when you first hear it, but the devil is in the details. Damn, that propaganda is really working. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sam Stone \* > Also, a recent poll in the U.S. asked households if they supported Kyoto. Conducted by whom on behalf of whom and in _exactly_ what terms was the question asked of a population largely bereft of access to an informed debate ? Which “housewives”: Educated middle-class, single working mothers, income levels, power industry employees ,etc., etc.? - it means nothing without context. Nine out of ten housewives prefer global warming… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sam Stone \* > For artfully managing — and exceeding — expectations, for making it through a week of contentious encounters in Europe, George W. Bush is our Person of the Week. Are you seriously asking me to accept the ‘opinion’ of Time Warner ? BTW, my congratulations to the publication for establishing their Editorial line so speedily _after_ the meetings. Cynical - who me ? As an alternative, here’s a [sample](http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1390000/1390005.stm) of opinion from Switzerland, Poland and Spain – I’ll assume you are at least familiar with the views of the Scandinavians, France, Germany, the UK and Holland. I’d urge you to read between the lines whatever the source. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2001, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/young-bush-goes-to-europe/68419/102 "2001-06-18T18:50:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > \*\*W is the President of the US. He can’t miss, no matter how he handles himself. I predict that his trip will be reported as a glowing success. > \*\* Europe Sees Bush’s Trip Exceeding Expectations –New York Times > **[Europe Sees Bush's Trip Exceeding Expectations (Published 2001)](https://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/18/world/europe-sees-bush-s-trip-exceeding-expectations.html)** > > Many experts and newspapers across Europe call Pres Bush's five-country excursion success, at least compared with what they had expected; his brand of good cheer, first names and small jokes charmed hosts; photo (M) Bush and Putin see improved ties ahead – [Philly.com](http://Philly.com) [http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2001/06/17/front\_page/BUSH17.htm](http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2001/06/17/front_page/BUSH17.htm) Presidential Tour Touches Many Bases, With a Few Stumbles- Washington Post [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11186-2001Jun16.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11186-2001Jun16.html) Bush: First Meeting with Putin Went Well – ABC [http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/abc/20010618/pl/bush\_europe\_speech010617\_1.html](http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/abc/20010618/pl/bush_europe_speech010617_1.html) Bush Spreads Charm, Sincerity in European Debut –Reuters [http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/reuters20010615\_202.html](http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/reuters20010615_202.html) ---
**Author:** ![Crusoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@Crusoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crusoe)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2001, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/young-bush-goes-to-europe/68419/103 "2001-06-18T19:32:49Z")
What does that prove, **December**? That some media outlets think he was charming? As the BBC noted, charm does not equal substance. And surely you noticed the riots? (of course, that’s equal parts anti-capitalism and general up-for-a-fight idiocy, but even so) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/young-bush-goes-to-europe/68419.md?page=5)