# Your Baseball Team's All-Time Line-Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 15, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070 "2009-07-15T01:40:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jk1245](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@jk1245](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jk1245)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/41 "2009-07-15T17:00:02Z")
> [@mkecane](#): > > For the Brewers, you may as well go with CC Sabathia. What he did last year was more impressive than anything I’ve ever seen from a Brewers pitcher. (mkecane: Milwaukee resident for 24 years.) Yeah, I was gonna put him in, but at half a season, that seemed even more like cheating than putting a washed up Aaron in RF. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/42 "2009-07-15T17:29:29Z")
> [@DudleyGarrett](#): > > **Boston Red Sox** > > C - Jason Varitek > 1B - Carl Yastrzemski > 2B - Dustin Pedroia – current player. I can’t think of a better Boston 2B. > SS - Nomar Garciaparra - a healthy Nomar was splendid. > 3B - Wade Boggs > OF - Jim Rice > OF - Ted Williams > OF - Dwight Evans > DH - David Ortiz – without him, Red Sox fans are still staying, “Wait till next year.” > > RHSP - Pedro Martinez > LHSP - Bruce Hurst > RP - Jonathan Papelbon > > Bench - Manny Ramirez > Bench - Jimmie Foxx > Bench - Fred Lynn Some friendly dissent: Bobby Doerr was a HOF’er at 2B. Pedroia may be better eventually, but not yet. OF - you have 2 LF’s listed. No fair. Williams is the LF, Tris Speaker the CF. Also, putting Yaz at 1B is a stretch - you really have 3 LF’s listed. Double X is your man. RHSP - Pedro was dominant in his prime, but that wasn’t for long enough. Cy Young and Roger Clemens have to be ahead there. LHSP - George Herman Ruth. Lefty Grove is in the Hall, too. RP - Eck was mostly used up when he came back here, so I’ll agree with Pap. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/43 "2009-07-15T17:38:21Z")
> [@jk1245](#): > > Yeah, I was gonna put him in, but at half a season, that seemed even more like cheating than putting a washed up Aaron in RF. I guess it depends on how you interpret the task at hand. Should the aim be to find the best team of players who happened to play for your team at some stage in their careers? Or should it be to find the team of players that played the best _when_ they were playing for your team? Should there be a minimum length of service before a player can be considered for a particular team? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/44 "2009-07-15T18:11:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > LHSP - George Herman Ruth. Lefty Grove is in the Hall, too. Ruth probably would have been a hall of famer as a pitcher, but Grove is arguably #2 all-time after Walter Johnson. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/45 "2009-07-15T18:45:40Z")
Well, since no one has done it yet I’ll do the Cubbies. C - Gabby Hartnett 1B - Cap Anson 2B - Ryne Sandberg 3B - Ron Santo SS - Ernie Banks RF - Andre Dawson CF - Hack Wilson LF - Billy Williams Bench - Sammy Sosa Bench - Lou Brock Bench - Frank Chance Bench - Derrick Lee Bench - Billy Herman RSP - Three Finger Brown RSP - Fergie Jenkins RSP - Greg Maddox LSP - Jack Pfiester LSP - Hippo Vaughn CL - Lee Smith SU - Bruce Sutter I’ll take that line-up against anyone. ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/46 "2009-07-15T18:50:30Z")
**Seattle Mariners** Manager - Lou Piniella RF - Ichiro SS - Alex Rodriguez CF - Ken Griffey Jr 3B - Edgar Martinez (he _has_ to be in the line up and he did start his career at 3rd) 1B - John Olerud LF - Raul Ibanez 2B - Brett Boone C - Dan Wilson SP(L) - Jamie Moyer SP® - Freddy Garcia (King Felix will soon claim his throne here) RP - Kazuhiro Sasaki B1 - Randy Johnson(Would be the smarter start, but sentimentality puts Moyer up top. Rules are rules, but both would be 1a and 1b to a distant Freddy or Felix) B2 - Alvin Davis B3 - Jay Buhner (Again sentimentality won out here. Omar Vizquel or Adrian Beltre could have pushed for starter spots based on their defense alone, but they also had/have the offense to support that spot also. A smart manager, especially with injury history of some of the above, would probably also carry Mark “SuperSub” McLemore; could play every position( -p&c) every day and never hurt you in either half of the inning) Pretty sick squad. 2001 heavy off course(116 wins), but amazingly all these guys(Davis aside) are/were playing in the same generation and separated from the team by only a few years. An owner with the gift of 20/20 fore/hindsight could have fielded this very team(minus the RHPs) in real life) ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/47 "2009-07-15T18:51:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Omniscient** > > I’ll take that line-up against anyone. I’m looking up and down the thread and thinking there would be some awesome games to watch. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/48 "2009-07-15T18:59:11Z")
> [@jk1245](#): > > OK, I’ll try the Brewers. > 1B - Prince Fielder > 2B - Jim Gantner - > SS - Robin Yount - easiest choice in this thread > 3B - Paul Molitor > LF - Ryan Braun > CF - Gorman Thomas > RF - Hank Aaron (Cheating, yes) > C - BJ Surhoff > > P - Pete Vuckovich > P - Ben Sheets > P - Teddy Higuera > P- Jim Slaton > P- Mike Caldwell > > Reliever - Rollie Fingers, Dan Plesac > > Yeesh, not much pitching to work with. Vuckovich won a Cy Young, and Caldwell had a couple good seasons, but most of the pitchers were 2 or 3 year wonders at most. > > Gantner is the 2B by default and Fielder gets the nod barely over Cecil Cooper. > > Hank Aaron gets the RF nod even though he barely played there for the Brewers. But hey, his best years were in RF in Milwaukee and give a me a break, I had to pass on Eddie Matthews and Warren Spahn. You can do better than AAron. He hit about 230 ,averaged about 11 Hrs a year, and 47 rbis. He was 41 when he came over. He was not a very good Brewer. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/49 "2009-07-15T18:59:15Z")
I feel confident about my Pirates lineup too - the only issue I had was with pitching. The all-time bullpen was understrength, as you would expect for our club. I think the hitting and fielding strength makes up for it. ---
**Author:** ![jk1245](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@jk1245](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jk1245)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/50 "2009-07-15T19:12:59Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You can do better than AAron. He hit about 230 ,averaged about 11 Hrs a year, and 47 rbis. He was 41 when he came over. He was not a very good Brewer. Yeah, but that’s more of a career appreciation award form me. kind of like Scorsese’s Oscar for The Departed. The other choice for Brewers’ RF is probably Jeromy Burnitz. ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/51 "2009-07-15T19:16:05Z")
I just realized I most regretably forgot to even mention Harold Reynolds. He would rank right on the same tier as Vizquel and Beltre; probably at the top of it even. A more accurate and better perfoming bench would have Harold and Omar [del]going to White Castle[/del] on the roster above Mr.Mariner(davis) and Bone(buhner) ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/52 "2009-07-15T19:21:21Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Mets Really, it’s hard to disagree with this list. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/53 "2009-07-15T19:23:45Z")
Rockies Rockies is kind of a joke, Particularly pitching, all one season wonders, but to play along: C (Oh pick any of em how about) Torrealba 1B: Todd Helton 2B: Eric Young SS: Troy Tulowiztski 3B Vinnie Castilla RF Larry Walker CF Juan Pierre LF Matt Holliday SP: Jason Jennings Pedro Astacio Jeff Francis RP Jose Jimenez Brian Fuentes Bench PH: Andrés Galarraga, Bench UT IF: Nefi Perez Bench OF: Jeromy Burnitz ---
**Author:** ![tds1273](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tds1273](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tds1273)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/54 "2009-07-15T19:38:47Z")
I was wondering if someone would do a Rockies one. I agree with most of it, but I would take Dante Bichette over Burnitz any and every time. Actually, I would cheat a little and put him somewhere in the outfield in place of Pierre; according to baseball-reference Walker could qualify at CF. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/55 "2009-07-15T19:39:03Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Bench UT IF: Nefi Perez This has to be the worst player mentioned so far, right? In no season was he an above average hitter (by OPS+) and he only won one Gold Glove… Not saying that the Rockies have a ton of better options (especially for a bench IF spot), but damn. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/56 "2009-07-15T19:47:13Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > This has to be the worst player mentioned so far, right? Except for Pedro Astacio. No love for Mike Hampton, folks? And how about Eric Wedge as a catcher? ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/57 "2009-07-15T19:49:26Z")
I agree it’s not exactly anything to be proud of, but One gold glove is better than anything else the Rockies have had for a Utility/defensive replacement position. Walt Weiss didn’t even have one, and he was the other one in my consideration(and not exactly a stud either). I don’t even remember wedge playing for the Rockies. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/58 "2009-07-15T20:14:41Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Really, it’s hard to disagree with this list. Two Mets fans both taking Olerud over Keith Hernandez? Wow. I… uh… politely dissent. Their hitting numbers are basically identical, both were great fielders but Hernandez was arguably better, and Mex played nearly twice as many games for the franchise as Olerud did and was part of its last World Series team. I’m also not sure by what metric Millan beats out Alfonzo at second base. My choices would be: 1B: Hernandez 2B: Alfonso SS: Reyes 3B: Wright C: Piazza LF: Jones CF: Beltran RF: Strawberry LHP: Seaver RHP: Doc RP: Franco BENCH: Carter BENCH: Howard Johnson BENCH: Dykstra ---
**Author:** ![Gordon\_Urquhart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/db5fbb/32.png) [@Gordon\_Urquhart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gordon_Urquhart)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/59 "2009-07-15T20:28:40Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > I agree it’s not exactly anything to be proud of, but One gold glove is better than anything else the Rockies have had for a Utility/defensive replacement position. Walt Weiss didn’t even have one, and he was the other one in my consideration(and not exactly a stud either). > > I don’t even remember wedge playing for the Rockies. I’d almost go with Clint Barmes as a utility infielder, who’s quietly putting together a good career – Jim Tracy’s success as the Rockies’ manager is coincident (although certainly not the only factor) with his faith in Barmes playing full-time at second base. I agree with the rest of your roster (substituting Bichette for Burnitz, as \*\*tds1273 \*\*suggested), with the exception of catcher – Joe Girardi played for a couple of years in the early '90s. I’m also wondering about Aaron Cook’s place in the list – his killer sinker makes him tailor-made for Coors Field. Dunno who I’d take off your list – probably Jennings, although I was a huge fan of his. I didn’t remember Wedge as a Rockie either – according to Wikipedia, he was taken in the expansion draft from the Red Sox and played nine September games (eight as a pinch hitter), then was released during spring training of 1994 (re-acquired by the Red Sox). ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/60 "2009-07-15T20:54:03Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > LHP: Seaver Hey, that’s not allowed! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070.md?page=4)