# Your Baseball Team's All-Time Line-Up **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 15, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070 "2009-07-15T01:40:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/81 "2009-07-16T06:31:41Z")
> [@RetroVertigo](#): > > Lou only played with the Cubs for 3.5 seasons, but since you claimed him I’ll trade you Ernie Broglio straight up. 😃 Grumble, grumble. Why do you think I had him riding the pine? ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Lichtman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeff_lichtman/32/1531_2.png) [@Jeff\_Lichtman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Lichtman)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/82 "2009-07-16T08:27:54Z")
All-time Athletics, including Philadelphia: C - Mickey Cochrane 1B - Jimmie Foxx 2B - Eddie Collins 3B - Home Run Baker SS - Miguel Tejada LF - Rickey Henderson CF - Al Simmons (yeah, I know, he was actually a left fielder) RF - Reggie Jackson SP - Lefty Grove SP - Rube Waddell SP - Catfish Hunter SP - Eddie Plank SP - Vida Blue RP - Dennis Eckersley RP - Rollie Fingers ---
**Author:** ![robardin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/43a26b/32.png) [@robardin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robardin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/83 "2009-07-16T13:29:23Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Mets > > SS Jose Reyes > 2B Felix Millan > 1B John Olerud > C Mike Piazza > RF Darryl Strawberry > CF Carlos Beltran > 3B David Wright > LF Cleon Jones > > SP Tom Seaver > SP Johan Santana > SP Doc Gooden > SP Jerry Koosman > SP Ron Darling > > RP John Franco > RP Tug McGraw > RP Billy Wagner > RP Jesse Orosco > RP Armando Benitez > > Bench: Gary Carter, Edgardo Alfonso, Ed Kranepool, Mookie Wilson, Rusty Staub, I loved Johnny O, but you’d really take him over Keith Hernandez at 1B? And Felix Millan at 2B?! The thing with the Mets’ lineup is you have to put “vintage years” next to the name, since so many of the Mets “greats” were, alas, only great (in a Mets uniform) for a subset of their career. For example, I’d start 1999 Edgardo Alfonzo at 2B in a heartbeat over Millan. It’s not even close, he was, in his prime, clearly the best 2B the Mets ever had. 2002 Fonzie, well, not so much. It’d be close betwen 1984 Keith Hernandez over 1999 John Olerud, in the end I think I’d take the Gold Glove defense and the “first ever Mets team captain” leadership qualities over Johnny’s sweet swing. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/84 "2009-07-16T14:30:59Z")
> [@robardin](#): > > It’d be close betwen 1984 Keith Hernandez over 1999 John Olerud, in the end I think I’d take the Gold Glove defense and the “first ever Mets team captain” leadership qualities over Johnny’s sweet swing. Here’s the big one. You can have 1971 Tom Seaver or 1985 Doc Gooden, one game: _go_. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/85 "2009-07-16T14:54:12Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Here’s the big one. You can have 1971 Tom Seaver or 1985 Doc Gooden, one game: _go_. Ohhh. Tough one. Probably Doc Gooden for one game. A whole season might be tougher. ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/86 "2009-07-16T15:04:00Z")
The Braves SS - Rafael Furcal LF - Dusty Baker 3b - Eddie Matthews RF - Henry Aaron 1b - Fred McGriff CF - Dale Murphy C - Javier Lopez 2b - Davey Johnson Bench - Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Joe Torre RHP - Greg Maddux LHP - Warren Spahn RP - John Smoltz (he DID have 150 saves in a 4 year stretch as a closer, so I’m putting him in the 'pen.) Manager - Bobby Cox ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/87 "2009-07-16T16:53:42Z")
Has anyone yet put together a team composed entirely of HoF players (or future HOFers)? I checked out th OP’s Yankee team, and the only non-HOF players among the starting lineup and pitchers were Nettles and Reynolds. Even two out of the three bench players are in the Hall, with Mattingly the exception. The only current player on his list is Jeter, and if he doesn’t make it into Cooperstown, i will be very surprised. I can’t be bothered going through all the other teams, but does anyone know if the team they have suggested has more HoF players than the OP’s? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/88 "2009-07-16T16:56:57Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Has anyone yet put together a team composed entirely of HoF players (or future HOFers)? > > I can’t be bothered going through all the other teams, but does anyone know if the team they have suggested has more HoF players than the OP’s? The A’s team a few posts above is solid hall of famers except Miguel Tejada. Though without a bench, I think. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/89 "2009-07-16T16:57:44Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Ohhh. Tough one. Probably Doc Gooden for one game. A whole season might be tougher. Man, looking at Doc’s 1985 numbers really brings home how much wasted potential was involved there, doesn’t it? He was 24-4, his ERA was 1.53 and his adjusted ERA was 228. He struck out 268 batters in 276 innings and he only walked 69. He was 20 years old. We should have watched him cruise to 300 wins, 3000 strikeouts, maybe another Cy Young or maybe two. It should have been him and Roger Clemens in a dogfight for best right handed pitcher of their generation. That sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/90 "2009-07-16T17:07:12Z")
> [@Wargamer](#): > > The Braves > > SS - Rafael Furcal > LF - Dusty Baker > 3b - Eddie Matthews > RF - Henry Aaron > 1b - Fred McGriff > CF - Dale Murphy > C - Javier Lopez > 2b - Davey Johnson > > Bench - Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Joe Torre > > RHP - Greg Maddux > LHP - Warren Spahn > > RP - John Smoltz (he DID have 150 saves in a 4 year stretch as a closer, so I’m putting him in the 'pen.) > > Manager - Bobby Cox Dusty Baker never really played LF for the Braves - not that he couldn’t have. Rico Carty might be a better choice, or you could go all the way back to Hall of Famer Hugh Duffy. Or cheat a little and put Chipper there. I might take Joe Adcock over Fred McGriff, but it’s close. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/91 "2009-07-16T17:33:33Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Has anyone yet put together a team composed entirely of HoF players (or future HOFers)? > > I checked out th OP’s Yankee team, and the only non-HOF players among the starting lineup and pitchers were Nettles and Reynolds. Even two out of the three bench players are in the Hall, with Mattingly the exception. > > The only current player on his list is Jeter, and if he doesn’t make it into Cooperstown, i will be very surprised. > > I can’t be bothered going through all the other teams, but does anyone know if the team they have suggested has more HoF players than the OP’s? The Cards team I proposed had three non-HoF in the starting lineup and one on the bench. Two of those players either will be in the Hall (Pujols) or probably should be (McGwire). Cards fans will tell you Boyer should be in too, but he’s not. Edmonds will most likely not make it either. The Cards could go all HoFer if you replace Edmonds and Boyer with (slightly out of position) Orlando Cepeda or Ducky Medwick and Frankie Frisch. On the bench you can replace McGwire (who probably would be in if not for the PED issue) with Johnny Mize. Of course making an all HoF team for the Yankees would be pretty easy too… ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/92 "2009-07-16T17:42:21Z")
My Pirates team is primarily HoFers except for the pitching staff and catcher. In addition, there are two HoFers on my bench - this is because their position was taken by a stronger HoFer in my humble opinion. I don’t thing anyone would argue that Honus Wagner beats Arky Vaughn (though not by much - some baseball experts call them the #1 and #2 shortstops of all time). Similarly I don’t think anyone would fault me for putting Clemente in right field and keeping Paul Waner on the team. Both Hall of Famers, but Clemente beats Waner out. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/93 "2009-07-16T18:52:29Z")
If I substitute A-Rod for Nettles, Red Ruffing for Reynolds, and Winfield for Mattingly it would do the trick. Of course I only used 1 righty and lefty starter instead of a whole staff. So, I’ll add Herb Pennock, Lefty Gomez and Jack Chesbro ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/94 "2009-07-16T19:13:28Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > If I substitute A-Rod for Nettles, Red Ruffing for Reynolds, and Winfield for Mattingly it would do the trick. Of course I only used 1 righty and lefty starter instead of a whole staff. > > So, I’ll add Herb Pennock, Lefty Gomez and Jack Chesbro Well if we’re going for a full staff then I’ll add Dizzy Dean, Jesse Haines, and either Grover Cleveland Alexander (at the tail end of his career) or hell, why not Cy Young (two seasons as a Card) or Hoyt Wilhelm (only one). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/95 "2009-07-16T19:23:01Z")
> [@mkecane](#): > > For the Brewers, you may as well go with CC Sabathia. What he did last year was more impressive than anything I’ve ever seen from a Brewers pitcher. (mkecane: Milwaukee resident for 24 years.) > [@jk1245](#): > > Yeah, I was gonna put him in, but at half a season, that seemed even more like cheating than putting a washed up Aaron in RF. How about [these guys](http://www.sportsmogul.com/vbulletin2/showthread.php?p=726851&highlight=brewers#post726851)? ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/96 "2009-07-16T19:38:13Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Cleveland Indians > > 1B: Jim Thome > 2B: Nap Lajoie (it could have been Carlos Baerga if he hadn’t completely turned to shit; Roberto Alomar was great during his short time in Cleveland) > 3B: Al Rosen > SS: Omar Vizquel (Best glove I’ve ever seen; he and Robby Alomar would make the most ridiculous double plays look routine. Perhaps if I had seen Lou Boudreau play I’d have picked him.) > OF: Manny Ramirez > OF: Albert Belle > OF: Tris Speaker > C: Victor Martinez > > RHP: Bob Feller > LHP: Sam McDowell (just edges out CC) > Relief: Jose Mesa (absolutely unhittable from 1995-1997, except in Game 7 of the World Series when it mattered most m\*&%$!) > > BENCH: Larry Doby, Earl Averill, Joe Jackson, Kenny Lofton, Sandy Alomar, Lou Boudreau The Indians LHP should be [Vean Gregg](http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greggve01.shtml) by a mile. In 3.5 years (1911-1914) his w/l record was 72-36. Sudden Sam & C.C. be damned. ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/97 "2009-07-16T19:51:37Z")
No, I agree with MOIDALIZE. I looked all over his list for something to disagree with and I couldn’t find it. My only point of possible dissent is switching Sandy for Martinez, and only because Sandy was magic when it counted. I have no argument. ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/98 "2009-07-16T20:09:15Z")
> [@Jeff\_Lichtman](#): > > All-time Athletics, including Philadelphia: > > C - Mickey Cochrane > 1B - Jimmie Foxx > 2B - Eddie Collins > 3B - Home Run Baker > SS - Miguel Tejada > LF - Rickey Henderson > CF - Al Simmons (yeah, I know, he was actually a left fielder) > RF - Reggie Jackson > > SP - Lefty Grove > SP - Rube Waddell > SP - Catfish Hunter > SP - Eddie Plank > SP - Vida Blue > > RP - Dennis Eckersley > RP - Rollie Fingers Outstanding ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/99 "2009-07-16T20:13:18Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > The Indians LHP should be [Vean Gregg](http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greggve01.shtml) by a mile. In 3.5 years (1911-1914) his w/l record was 72-36. Sudden Sam & C.C. be damned. Yeah, but that was the dead-ball era, and they didn’t let black people play. I have a hard time taking a lot of players from that era seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070/100 "2009-07-16T20:35:19Z")
When I did the Braves All-Time Team, I was amazed at the quality of pitchers left out. The Bravos could boast an all-time starting rotation of: Maddux Glavine Neikro Spahn Kid Nichols (Hall of Famer from the 1890’s). How many teams could match that starting rotation all-time? 5 300 game winners and Hall of Famers (or soon to be HoFers). That rotation is so good that names like Smoltz, Sain, and Burdette don’t even make the conversation! And to think, the Braves have only won 3 World Series in all that time. What a waste of starting pitching. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-baseball-teams-all-time-line-up/503070.md?page=6)