# Your explaination for this work of God **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 17, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223 "2011-11-17T14:00:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/281 "2011-11-20T08:51:01Z")
Since when do angels control the minds of people? That’s totally uncool. It stands to reason that maybe, just maybe, the cop wasn’t really there in the same way the angel wasn’t really there. This is what happens when you kids drink booze and get all hopped up on goofballs. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/282 "2011-11-20T09:56:29Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > When you are doing God’s work you are above earthly authority. My guess is he’s kidding here. You’re kidding here, right Kanicbird? ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/283 "2011-11-20T12:22:06Z")
I haven’t read all 15 pages of this thread so forgive me of I’m repeating a point already made ( I’m replying after reading the first page or so). But it seems to me that the OP believes that God is messing with people’s free will. If God is doing this than it opens up a whole can of worms. I hate to bring up the Nazis on an Internet argument… ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/284 "2011-11-20T13:54:35Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Let me ask you, my take on it is to live by Love regardless of rules, religions or laws, is this what you object too? Your replies do not seem to indicate you live by love,so maybe you aren’t getting your pont across because you are only accepting your thoughts and one personst idea of love is different than anothers. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/285 "2011-11-20T13:59:32Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Why? If I am inconsistent then that is not a valid representation of me or my views, if I am consistent then my posts will reflect this always. > > I believe the issue is in you, as this is not the first time you have done such a thing, my beliefs somehow threaten yours and you feel the need to try to somehow discredit me to silence me. It is most likely why God had you ask that question and why God prompted me to give such a answer, to bring us to this point, and up to now I don’t believe you addressed the rest of my answer. > > So it’s your issue as far as I see. You aren’t consistant, read back on a lot of your posts and see the difference yourself. Maybe your idea of consistant is just that what you believe for the moment is the only truth, maybe God is trying to straighten out your thinking, but you let your own thought and beliefs get in the way? Satan does disguise himself as an angel of light according to the scripture writer. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/286 "2011-11-20T14:02:09Z")
> [@David42](#): > > Love follows the rules. > > 1 Cor 13, “Love…does not delight in iniquity.” > > It’s not love if it ignores Yah’s law. > > It can ignore man’s law to the extent that man’s law interferes with love. > > For instance, in a Florida community near DisneyWorld, there is a city ordinance against feeding the homeless. (They want their community clean and spiffy for all the tourists) I say this rule interferes with Yah’s work and it is ok to ignore it and feed the homeless anyway. It is your belief that it is Yah’s law, In truth it is man’s idea of what Yah wants. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/287 "2011-11-20T14:09:05Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Hence driving around after having chugged loads of wine with a special “get out of jail free” card. Praise be! If Kbird is driving drunk even if he is not the driver,he is risking the lives of other’s and if his God protects him his God is a very foolish being. Loving means doing and wishing others well, if taking a chance that others could be harmed I hope the next time he and his friends are out drinking the police do their duty and arrest them. It seems to me he has visions of granduer. and since he doesn’t belive in logic, maybe the drinking has done something to his brain? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/288 "2011-11-20T14:57:08Z")
I’m shocked at how many religious folks have no idea what the word “Coincidence” means. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/289 "2011-11-20T14:58:11Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > It is your belief that it is Yah’s law, In truth it is man’s idea of what Yah wants. So I shouldn’t try to reason with kanicbird on his own terms? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/290 "2011-11-20T15:23:27Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I’m shocked at how many religious folks have no idea what the word “Coincidence” means. Naw, they just confuse it for evidence, confirmation bias is a powerful force especially for those who structure their lives to maintain it. I had no idea Michael was the patron saint of drunks, he should get a wild night going with Saint Nick, the patron saint of prostitutes. I want to see that Coke commercial. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/291 "2011-11-20T15:31:52Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I’m shocked at how many religious folks have no idea what the word “Coincidence” means. Well, many think their god is in control of everything, knows everything that will happen beforehand and that the world operates according to his divine plan. There’s no room for coincidence or any other kind of chance in a worldview like that. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/292 "2011-11-20T15:42:44Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Naw, they just confuse it for evidence, confirmation bias is a powerful force especially for those who structure their lives to maintain it. > > I had no idea Michael was the patron saint of drunks, he should get a wild night going with Saint Nick, the patron saint of prostitutes. > > I want to see that Coke commercial. I have asked several “confirmation bias” posters before whether there is any set of synchronous events where confirmation bias would not come into play? Seems to me (not that I support kanicbird’s view) that a person ought to calculate the odds against a certain event occuring. Aren’t some coincidences so unlikely to occur that they truly are profound? It’s not that I don’t believe in confirmation bias, I just don’t believe it always should apply. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/293 "2011-11-20T16:05:23Z")
> [@David42](#): > > I have asked several “confirmation bias” posters before whether there is any set of synchronous events where confirmation bias would not come into play? Of course, that’s how they catch cheaters in Vegas. > [@David42](#): > > Seems to me (not that I support kanicbird’s view) that a person ought to calculate the odds against a certain event occuring. > > Aren’t some coincidences so unlikely to occur that they truly are profound? And for argument sake, say that event IS truly profound, the confirmation bias comes into play when the religious assume it’s their particular god that’s behind it. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/294 "2011-11-20T16:17:57Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Of course, that’s how they catch cheaters in Vegas. > And for argument sake, say that event IS truly profound, the confirmation bias comes into play when the religious assume it’s their particular god that’s behind it. Yes, I understand that. Let me ask in another way: Let’s say you wish to prove that all synchronous events are a result of confirmation bias. How would this be falsifiable? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/295 "2011-11-20T16:20:55Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > [QUOTE=kanicbird] > When you are doing God’s work you are above earthly authority. My guess is he’s kidding here. You’re kidding here, right Kanicbird? [/QUOTE] Why would you think so? The creator of Heaven and Earth would be above any and all worldly authority, they rule only at His permission, even Federal agents are immune to state authority, or at least that’s how it appears from TV show ‘24’, why would not a person doing the will of God’s not be above also? What kind of God would have to be under the rule of man? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/296 "2011-11-20T16:22:11Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > [QUOTE=Budget Player Cadet View Post] > > I’m shocked at how many religious folks have no idea what the word “Coincidence” means. Well, many think their god is in control of everything, knows everything that will happen beforehand and that the world operates according to his divine plan. There’s no room for coincidence or any other kind of chance in a worldview like that. [/QUOTE] ty ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/297 "2011-11-20T16:37:35Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > If Kbird is driving drunk even if he is not the driver,he is risking the lives of other’s and if his God protects him his God is a very foolish being. Loving means doing and wishing others well, if taking a chance that others could be harmed I hope the next time he and his friends are out drinking the police do their duty and arrest them. It seems to me he has visions of granduer. and since he doesn’t belive in logic, maybe the drinking has done something to his brain? To address some of this. I am human and do have human weaknesses, one such one is drinking, though certain circumstances have to line up. I could go and have gone months without a drink. I can have a drink, sometimes 2 at a restaurant or likewise. But put into a situation where there is not much to do but drink I will usually continue to drink. It is a weakness I am aware of, and God is aware of. At this time the plan, as I knew it, was to do a hike to a mountain top, have a celebratory glass of wine then hike back. This was what I was expecting which is fine. This was not the plan however. It was to go to the mountain top and stay a very long time and get loaded - if I would have know this I would not have gone. This plays into that weakness of mine, though my heart was for God and my brothers and sisters as I feel God proved by His deliverance. I don’t know how much I had, and I don’t know how that was compared to the legal limit. It was really just putting a little in a glass at a time, so I had no measure of how many glasses I did have, I do know that I was not hammered, as others appeared to be. When we returned, I was the one who was to drive some back. Did I mention I am human and have human weaknesses? These circumstances were unusual as I was not expecting anything like that, and I am not perfect. It is up to God to cover our imperfections. Hopefully all of you can receive such mercy when your human weaknesses cause you to perhaps run afoul of the law. Unless you are perfect, then you don’t need such mercy. [QUOTE=not what you’d expect] Why has this story never been talked about? Why aren’t the 5 of you shouting this proof of Arch Angel Micheal from the roof tops? I mean, they saw him too, right? [/QUOTE] The cop took me aside away from the other when this happened, mainly because my license was in the trunk, in my rucksack, along with another empty bottle of wine. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/298 "2011-11-20T16:39:14Z")
How were the strippers? Did Gabriel give you a free pass to ogle them? ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/299 "2011-11-20T16:45:27Z")
> [@David42](#): > > I find it far more obnoxious that you complain over the name I choose to use where I wouldn’t dream of telling you what name to use. In short, you’re complaining that I don’t meet your demand to use the words God and Jesus. That is an unreasonable demand. > > You can imagine all the foul reasons you want for so doing. This doesn’t make it my reason. I have explained my reasons for this well enough, and if you don’t like it, tough, but it is with a contentious spirit that you say so. > > I think you’re projecting yourself onto me; i.e., if you were to use such terms you would do it to seek glory and lord it over others. > > He said to call upon his name. LORD and GOD are both generic titles in English. Enough said. If you don’t agree then fine, but don’t come and tell me I HAVE to use GOD and JESUS on the grounds I am pretentious. > > I think your command to use GOD and JESUS is an attempt to lord it over me and that your attempt to disuade my use is self-glorification too; i.e., you’re more reasonable than me and therefore better. You can call Him Susan if it makes you happy, but if you are attempting to reach an audience with the good news, more would hear you if you could speak plainly and not in veiled language. [John 16:29](http://bible.cc/john/16-29.htm) ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/300 "2011-11-20T16:46:38Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Why would you think so? Because it’s the _exact_ philosophy that makes for suicide bombers? And can be used to justify…hmm…let me see here…absolutely anything? Or are you going to respond to that by saying only \*true god’s \* work is above earthly authority? Corollary thought: Maybe God is the True Scotsman. It would certainly explain why so many people have difficulty understanding what he said 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223.md?page=16)