# Your explaination for this work of God **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 17, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223 "2011-11-17T14:00:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/301 "2011-11-20T16:54:05Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Since when do angels control the minds of people? That’s totally uncool. You allow it with your own free will. If you would not like them to work with you learn to suppress your emotions, to logically think out everything without emotions, and live without them. The emotion of love towards a person is walking with God, walking with Jesus, walking with (insert any name that means divine love), and you giving your free will to that being, and getting the power and protection. If you act in other emotions you likewise walk with angels of those, for good or bad. The choice is yours, though if you want to use angelic powers you will have to allow them to use you and you them. So it’s pretty darn cool that we don’t have to walk alone, if we want we can combine our strength with angelic strength but we don’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/302 "2011-11-20T16:59:16Z")
Not _your_ mind! The cop’s! Or did he see the angel too? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/303 "2011-11-20T16:59:22Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I had no idea Michael was the patron saint of drunks, he should get a wild night going with Saint Nick, the patron saint of prostitutes. Micheal conquers evil, in scriptures and in many paintings defeats Satan, and evil was intended towards this group and it appears that evil was defeated. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/304 "2011-11-20T17:06:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > How were the strippers? Did Gabriel give you a free pass to ogle them? Actually pretty boarding. Strippers are not sexual to me. Years ago I had a demonic being called a succubus, from about age 2 to well into adulthood. That relationship had to be split by God which was done. But in the vein of all things working for the good, I found out about incredible levels of sexuality well beyond what I believe anyone here has experienced. What the strippers appear to me is small children putting on a play, nothing more. Now on the other side I have been able to bring that incredible into my life at the appropriate time with the right person and a person who wants to experience those things. But the trip was good as I did have a enjoyable time talking before the show and hope that a failing marriage can be reunited and a life restored. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/305 "2011-11-20T17:08:57Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Not _your_ mind! The cop’s! Or did he see the angel too? How am I suppose to know what was in the cops mind 😕 What I do know is right after AA Micheal said that the cop returned my license and wished me a good day (though it was night) and returned to his car. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/306 "2011-11-20T17:19:49Z")
For those wondering what branch of Christianity **kanicbird** belongs to (or has founded), one in which God promotes drunk driving, extortionist behavior to compel skeptics to believe and health quackery, consider that the answer may be: [The Church of Poe](http://conservapedia.com/Poe's_law). ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/307 "2011-11-20T17:37:45Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Why would you think so? > > The creator of Heaven and Earth would be above any and all worldly authority, they rule only at His permission, even Federal agents are immune to state authority, or at least that’s how it appears from TV show ‘24’, why would not a person doing the will of God’s not be above also? > > What kind of God would have to be under the rule of man? … …I do hope you realize why [this attitude is very disconcerting for most rational people](http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/02/12/Dad-God-told-me-to-kill-my-son/UPI-71281234475937/). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/308 "2011-11-20T17:47:43Z")
This thread was nearly pointless for most of its length and is almost totally pointless now. If something akin to a debate topic doesn’t appear I’ll close it soon. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/309 "2011-11-20T18:42:26Z")
> [@David42](#): > > Blake said this in a different day; when he said this, copies of the bible were not common, and people who could study the scripture in the original languages were even fewer. Nonsense. The bible was quite common in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth century. For that matter, the number of people who were literate, to begin with, who then went on to study Greek, and often Hebrew, is probably higher, as a percentage of literate people, than those who do so, today. (Copies of the Hebrew bible might have been a bit more rare, although anyone who lived near a Jewish community could gain access to one and the various copies of the Greek New Testament had been growing in number since prior to the Reformation.) I don’t mind watching the battle of the Witnesses, but let’s not make up “facts” to support your conflicting beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/310 "2011-11-20T18:43:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This thread was nearly pointless for most of its length and is almost totally pointless now. If something akin to a debate topic doesn’t appear I’ll close it soon. On this note, I will hold off smacking down accusations of “madness” for a bit, although that needs to stop. [/Modding] ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/311 "2011-11-20T18:57:03Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Actually pretty boarding. Strippers are not sexual to me. Years ago I had a demonic being called a succubus, from about age 2 to well into adulthood. That relationship had to be split by God which was done. But in the vein of all things working for the good, I found out about incredible levels of sexuality well beyond what I believe anyone here has experienced. What the strippers appear to me is small children putting on a play, nothing more. > > Now on the other side I have been able to bring that incredible into my life at the appropriate time with the right person and a person who wants to experience those things. > > But the trip was good as I did have a enjoyable time talking before the show and hope that a failing marriage can be reunited and a life restored. wat ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/312 "2011-11-20T19:07:35Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > You can call Him Susan if it makes you happy, but if you are attempting to reach an audience with the good news, more would hear you if you could speak plainly and not in veiled language. [John 16:29](http://bible.cc/john/16-29.htm) Oh. How many more times do I have to explain it before you will stop calling it veiled? ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/313 "2011-11-20T19:16:22Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This thread was nearly pointless for most of its length and is almost totally pointless now. If something akin to a debate topic doesn’t appear I’ll close it soon. Well, I have attempted to answer the OP’s question asking for alternative explanation. As I think it is pointless trying to persuade kanicbird from the atheistic viewpoint, I have attempted to reason with him through the scripture. I think that’s an appropriate debate topic within the OP and would ask you to reconsider and allow it to continue. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/314 "2011-11-20T19:20:57Z")
> [@David42](#): > > I think that’s an appropriate debate topic within the OP and would ask you to reconsider and allow it to continue. I don’t think it’s _inappropriate_, I think it’s pointless. Nobody believes a word **kanicbird** is saying, so posters are mostly encouraging him to say more and more outlandish things, and **kanicbird** is not going to be persuaded of anybody else’s opinion. You’re welcome to take another crack at it if you think you can have a productive conversation on that topic. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/315 "2011-11-20T19:25:16Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t think it’s _inappropriate_, I think it’s pointless. Nobody believes a word **kanicbird** is saying, so posters are mostly encouraging him to say more and more outlandish things, and **kanicbird** is not going to be persuaded of anybody else’s opinion. You’re welcome to take another crack at it if you think you can have a productive conversation on that topic. thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/316 "2011-11-20T19:26:45Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Nobody believes a word **kanicbird** is saying, so posters are mostly encouraging him to say more and more outlandish things And I will reiterate here that calling posters crazy is not allowed in this forum. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/317 "2011-11-20T19:39:02Z")
I said it before, and I’ll say it again regarding the OP: **Coincidence + Post Hoc = Miracles!** It’s a horrible consequence of not being able to apply simple logic when a coincidence occurs. Happens all the time, and it’s why everything from “this must be a sign from God!” to “This is my lucky rabbits foot” is rampant. Drawing causal conclusions over coincidence escapes a lot of people in real life, and many who are dubious about their claims, don’t bother to call them on it; or they jump on the bandwagon. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/318 "2011-11-20T19:53:01Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > You allow it with your own free will. If you would not like them to work with you learn to suppress your emotions, to logically think out everything without emotions, and live without them. I’m being serious here. If you’re claiming you saw an angel which is an incredibly dubious claim, have you considered the possibility that you’re seeing the cop, as well, in the same regard. In other words, if you truly believe what you say happened, (and certain circumstantial evidence you mentioned weakens your claim; you were intoxicated) perhaps the entire event was a hallucination of some sort, including the cop. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/319 "2011-11-20T20:43:55Z")
kanicbird, have you considered that Yah sent the cop to break you of your drinking and driving problem, and it was satan who appeared, disguised as Michael? What if satan wants you to continue being a drunk driver? You know that satan appears as an angel of light, do you not? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/320 "2011-11-20T23:38:53Z")
> [@David42](#): > > This would make more sense if you showed that there aren’t christians who attribute bad things to Yah. For people who read carefully, Yah takes credit for calamities and other evils. Some individuals may do this, but its not present in this thread. > > I have never attributed all good to Yah and dismissed all evil as from some other source. So good and bad things could or could not be the work of your god or not. In other words, events such as the OP describes mean nothing. I’m comfortable with that conclusion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223.md?page=17)