# Your explaination for this work of God **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 17, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223 "2011-11-17T14:00:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/101 "2011-11-17T23:58:06Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I know. Kinda a jah/yeah thing. šŸ˜‰ > > ETA: We Jammin! See, I thought Jah was pronounced with a Y, but Marley23 insists its the J sound. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/102 "2011-11-18T01:14:00Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > So following all that, my take is 1: God wanted to state His case to The Other Waldo Pepper and/or others here and 2: God used me for this, and also 3: God used the Mod to start a new thread on it which this is (regardless of the Marley23 intentions for posting). > > So any other explanations that can possibly explain this? Yes. God, working through **Marley23** , wished to demonstrate that He is tired of **kanicbird** invoking Him to support **kanicbird** ā€™s personal agenda. God, working through other posters in this thread is attempting to convince **kanicbird** that it is wrong and blasphemous to claim Him as the inspiration for **kanicbird** ā€™s fallacious thinking and ludicrous beliefs. If this holy mission succeeds, it would be powerful evidence to convince doubters. Alas, such a miracle is almost certainly beyond even the Almightyā€™s greatest powers. ā˜¹ ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/103 "2011-11-18T02:04:08Z")
> [@David42](#): > > See, I thought Jah was pronounced with a Y, but Marley23 insists its the J sound. The blessing of the herb makes it matter less. Mon. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/104 "2011-11-18T05:02:46Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > No it doesnā€™t, but the term itself it doesnā€™t have to be through Paul, what I believe is the religion Christianity came from a combining of the Lord and the flesh of Paul, which would be through the teachings of Paul and the place where that occurred. Might be getting into what some call ā€˜Paulianity.ā€™ > [@kanicbird](#): > > This goes back to the OP, the term came from God, through someone, Paul, Peter, Luke, Bubba, Mary-Sue. I donā€™t know, but does it matter who the term came through. I can imagine scenarios where it might. > [@kanicbird](#): > > I think this new term at a time after Jesusā€™ accession has the question why now attached to it. Why might be answered by questioning who it was that might have given the Antioch christians the name. It could have first been in a derogatory fashion. It could have represented a schism in the church. But it could have meant otherwise. Luke did not seem to attach any derogatory significance to it. Iā€™m sure the Jerusalem church lasted until A.D. 70 but what happened to individuals after that Iā€™d like to know. The roman church claims Peter came to Rome and founded their church. The scripture last has Peter at Jerusalem. Given early Roman persecution of christians, this might make sense. I dunno. Itā€™s a shame that Jerusalem was destroyed or weā€™d have better answers to questions such as exactly what the extent of the schism was. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/105 "2011-11-18T05:06:43Z")
I love the presumption in the title of this thread. This is a work of (my) god, can you prove its not? ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/106 "2011-11-18T05:09:47Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > The blessing of the herb makes it matter less. Mon. Not so sure that Iā€™d call that good theology but Iā€™ll think it over. never heard of a blessing come from a plant in the scripture, but there is some indication of healing from a plant, the tree of the nations. That could be a blessing but I get the feeling Iā€™m stretching it. Matter less? Well, some do not agree with others about the name of Yahweh. But, in the midst of people who insist on one thing, well I donā€™t make much of an issue about it. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/107 "2011-11-18T05:14:45Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I love the presumption in the title of this thread. This is a work of (my) god, can you prove its not? It could be a better OP but I thought he kind of implied the OP to make that presumption that Yah works through people to reach other people. Kind of not a great debate, but up for the question of discussion I kinda figured was whether Yah had used kanicbird to spread his message. Itā€™s been fun talking about Rastafarians and other stuff too, though. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/108 "2011-11-18T05:23:44Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I love the presumption in the title of this thread. This is a work of (my) god, can you prove its not? It kind of reminds me of that kid a few weeks back who thought there was some deep meaning behind the coincidences he was experiencing. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/109 "2011-11-18T06:03:30Z")
> [@OpalCat](#): > > It kind of reminds me of that kid a few weeks back who thought there was some deep meaning behind the coincidences he was experiencing. There could be a similarity. I remember posting in the thread; or one like it anyway. As to whether Yah was working through any of them, Iā€™d answer such a question firstly by looking to whether what that person was consistent with other prophets. Not that I want to get into a big discussion of what that entails. This thread has long gone astray from the OP, and wilfully by the author of the OP, and contributed to by a Mod, so Iā€™m kinda figuring itā€™s become a grab bag of different ideas about religion. Directly to the OP, and by means of Occamā€™s razor as I lack any real evidence, to answer the question as stated in the OP, Iā€™m voting for OpalCatā€™s point for BEST ANSWER in the thread, even though someone else I think said this before, more or less. But weā€™ve talked about some sideline stuff here that might make interesting threads. Tell the truth, Iā€™d like to see a thread about the proper application of logical fallacy arguments, ha ha. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/110 "2011-11-18T08:55:45Z")
> [@David42](#): > > This is not a No True Scotsman; I never changed the definition to prove myself right. I think \*\*Jack Batty \*\*wasnā€™t correct to characterise the fallacy he describes as, strictly, a ā€œno true scotsmanā€. Though the parallels between that fallacy and the Scotsman fallacy are pretty obvious. In a no true scotsman one redefines the proposition to suit the evidence. In the fallacy \*\*Jack \*\*sets out, one redefines the evidence to suit the proposition. I think it goes like this: The proposition is that there is a a god which is good and would do good things. The evidence is that events happen. These events fall into two categories: 1/ Good events: when these events happen I attribute it to this god (because he is good) and use them to imply this godā€™s existence; 2/ Bad events: when these events happen I attribute it to something other than this god (because he is good) so they have no implications regarding this godā€™s existence. Between 1/ and 2/ one is redefining the implications of the evidence based solely on whether it suits the proposition. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/111 "2011-11-18T09:04:47Z")
**Coincidence + Post Hoc = Miracle!** ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/112 "2011-11-18T13:40:17Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > God working on the SDMB who would have thought of such a thing. There have been miracle witnessing reporting threads, and this is along those lines. > > Sometimes in the morning I will read scriptures, I have been in Psalms for quite some time, reading them in order. One morning I felt I should just open up the book ā€˜randomlyā€™ but in the NT. I have had leading to open the book at ā€˜randomā€™ before, but they donā€™t happen often. When I did and opened directly to John 19, which is Jesus sentenced to be crucified. > > Then opening the SDMB I see a response to my post in Atheists in foxholes thread by **The Other Waldo Pepper** stating: > > Which I responded with John 19 which shows to me that Jesus was found ā€˜not guiltyā€™ and only executed to please the crowd. > > Also that the Mod requested to take such things to a new thread. > > So following all that, my take is 1: God wanted to state His case to **The Other Waldo Pepper** and/or others here and 2: God used me for this, and also 3: God used the Mod to start a new thread on it which this is (regardless of the **Marley23** intentions for posting). > > So any other explanations that can possibly explain this? You believe it was God, the words you have read were written by a human being and you choose to believe it was God speaking, God seems to tell other people it is not of his doing but what is in oneā€™s belief system, and that is as much of God speaking as anything or anyone elseā€™s beliefs. The same psalmist says" You are Gods" and Jesus backed this psalmist up, so it is a matter of oneā€™s belief and that is their or your right to believe but, it is proven to be written by a human. So in fact you believe the human that wrote it, that is a choice you can make but it doesnā€™t mean it is a fact! ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/113 "2011-11-18T13:46:44Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > You believe it was God, the words you have read were written by a human being and you choose to believe it was God speaking, God seems to tell other people it is not of his doing but what is in oneā€™s belief system, and that is as much of God speaking as anything or anyone elseā€™s beliefs. The same psalmist says" You are Gods" and Jesus backed this psalmist up, so it is a matter of oneā€™s belief and that is their or your right to believe but, it is proven to be written by a human. So in fact you believe the human that wrote it, that is a choice you can make but it doesnā€™t mean it is a fact! What basis do you claim that it was written by humans? Who wrote it? What was his or her name? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/114 "2011-11-18T13:48:16Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Just now! I was talking to a co-worker who was a bit chilly and she whipped out her pashmina. Yesterday, I watched a re-run of Friends where Rachelā€™s sister bought a ā€¦ you guessed it ā€¦ pashmina! > > Do you know how often Iā€™ve even heard the word pashmina in the last decade? Twice. Yesterday and today. > > So I guess that puts Jennifer Aniston, or possibly David Schwimmer, on the short list for potential Gods now. > > Anybody else got any interesting coincidence ā€¦ oops, I mean miracles ā€¦ to share? I could list a lot I will give two examples.(1) I was driving in my car and Patti Page as singing Cross Over The Bridge, then I did come to a bridge in a few minuets,(2) Then she was singing Detour, and In a few minuets more There was indeed a detour. But there was no muddy road ahead! I donā€™t think Patti Page was looking out for me! The frame of oneā€™s mind has a lot to do with how they see a miracle or a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/115 "2011-11-18T13:51:38Z")
> [@martu](#): > > So God can open a book on a specific page for you but he canā€™t stop priests fiddling with kids? Or doesnā€™t want to?? or took his time about it??? Help me out here! Yeah, Iā€™ve always wondered why G-dā€™s miracles are soā€¦ small. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/116 "2011-11-18T13:59:21Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > What basis do you claim that it was written by humans? Who wrote it? What was his or her name? Occamā€™s Razor. Your claim is the one which needs proof. Unfortunately, all you have is circular proof. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/117 "2011-11-18T14:00:30Z")
> [@martu](#): > > So God can open a book on a specific page for you but he canā€™t stop priests fiddling with kids? Or doesnā€™t want to?? or took his time about it??? Help me out here! What makes even less sense to me, is why God is telling Kbird,such mundane things for the benifit of one person and doesnā€™t give him the answer to get all people to see things the same way, so they can have facts to rely on, and not just have them believe. Facts do more than beliefs. Perhaps Kbird should have God tell the world how they can get along, without killing each other. And help the terrorists see that what they are doing is also self distructive! And why he allows an evil being to exist, but punishes some people who use the mind he is said to have given them, and can only use Kanicbird,(and very few can think like him)! ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/118 "2011-11-18T14:03:21Z")
> [@David42](#): > > Might be getting into what some call ā€˜Paulianity.ā€™ I never heard that term, but I think I would like to hear it more often if it is indeed a more accurate term for modern day Christianity. > [@](#): > > Why might be answered by questioning who it was that might have given the Antioch christians the name. It could have first been in a derogatory fashion. It could have represented a schism in the church. In may have had something to do with the stoning of Stephen, which seems related to this church. At this time we have the Pharisees (and Paul/Saul) seeing one thing and Stephen seeing something totally different. This is pretty much the duality that I see when reading Paulā€™s letters. > [@](#): > > But it could have meant otherwise. Luke did not seem to attach any derogatory significance to it. The term Yankee used to be derogatory, now unless your at a Metā€™s game itā€™s not anymore. Meanings change over time. > [@](#): > > Iā€™m sure the Jerusalem church lasted until A.D. 70 but what happened to individuals after that Iā€™d like to know. The roman church claims Peter came to Rome and founded their church. The scripture last has Peter at Jerusalem. > > Given early Roman persecution of christians, this might make sense. I dunno. > > Itā€™s a shame that Jerusalem was destroyed or weā€™d have better answers to questions such as exactly what the extent of the schism was. [/QUOTE] Itā€™s been my experience that you can know just ask God and He will show you. It is His promise in scriptures. Now how He does it is up to Him, He may even give you scientific proof, I donā€™t know. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/119 "2011-11-18T14:08:05Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Why is He doing this for me? The reason to me has been made fairly clear (which i will get to below). For everyone there is a reason, the reason for me is different then the reason for you or anyone here. It is for our learning, what each of us need to know. Also if we all learn something we all benefit and the glory goes to God, not us. This is the iron sharpens iron that is in OT scriptures and the edifying (building up) each other in the NT scriptures. > > I used to believe that God doesnā€™t work much in our world, and saw those who would state otherwise as fools, or interpreting coincidences way to much, so in some ways it is hard for me to post this thread, to stand up in such way that appears foolish. I have to say it does hurt when I read what some posters comment about me in this and other threads. But really I need to be true to God and what He has shown me, and not remain silent when I see His work. I believe my part was to state how I see the work of God in this. Itā€™s the stating that I believe He wants me to learn. Did you ever hear of thoughts Of grandeur? This sounds like that to me. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/120 "2011-11-18T14:10:04Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > What makes even less sense to me, is why God is telling Kbird,such mundane things for the benifit of one person and doesnā€™t give him the answer to get all people to see things the same way, so they can have facts to rely on, Because God does not want us to depend on facts, but the relationship between God and man. The OT system is based on rules and regulations, the Law etc. But we were meant and designed not to follow the Law, but to try new things without bounds, to learn and explore, to ever experience new and wonderful things. To God we are but infants learning how to crawl. What is impossible for us now will not forever be, but hard laws and what we think are facts limit us hinder our growth and prevent us from seeing outside the box we have crawled into. It comes from all things are possible with God, though He has to take us there when we are ready. > [@](#): > > and not just have them believe. Facts do more than beliefs. Perhaps Kbird should have God tell the world how they can get along, without killing each other. And help the terrorists see that what they are doing is also self distructive! And why he allows an evil being to exist, but punishes some people who use the mind he is said to have given them, and can only use Kanicbird,(and very few can think like him)! The way was made clear by Jesus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223.md?page=7)