# Your explaination for this work of God **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 17, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223 "2011-11-17T14:00:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/141 "2011-11-18T15:56:00Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > 1. You’re equating putting people in jail with serial killing? Seriously? > 2. Why are you telling me about the death penalty in the US? The death penalty is, for example, outlawed in heathen Europe. > > Weak. Y.E.S. I am equating them and for a very good reason. It’s all about the world power structure. Those who have authority cause others to bear the burden of society. The strong tell the weak what to do and who they are. This goes to legal authority as well as social structures and family structures. This is what Jesus came to set people free of this power system. From someone’s parents telling them they are no good, from a homeless or minority person that no one will give a job to, to the criminal who believes crime is the only way for them. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/142 "2011-11-18T15:57:53Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Kancbird says he isn’t Christian, but uses the Christian Bible as his religion. At least that is how it appears to me. So in a sense, God is telling him that Christianity is not (God’s) religion! Scripture predicts a false church that is very popular. I would tend to agree that mainstream christianity is NOT approved of by Yah. Now, there are a few elements in mainstream christianity that Yah would approve of, according to scripture, but so much is ignored and so much is added in, its a far cry from scripture indicates is pleasing to Him. Yah can work with anything though, and so sometimes mainstream christianity is used to reach people. In the end, most mainstream christians are more devoted to doing things their way than the bible way–for instance, try telling them they should lose the christmas trees, and point to what the prophet Jeremiah wrote, and they’ll completely ignore it in favor of their invented doctrine that christmas trees honor christ. How can you honor a man with something contrary to his views? It’s like naming an aircraft carrier after a pacifist who doesn’t approve of aircraft carriers. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/143 "2011-11-18T16:12:38Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Y.E.S. I am equating them and for a very good reason. It’s all about the world power structure. Those who have authority cause others to bear the burden of society. The strong tell the weak what to do and who they are. This goes to legal authority as well as social structures and family structures. > > This is what Jesus came to set people free of this power system. I thought he came to tell weak people they should turn the other cheek and resist not evil, forgiving strong folks their trespasses in between rendering unto Caesar? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/144 "2011-11-18T16:21:18Z")
> [@David42](#): > > Scripture predicts a false church that is very popular. I would tend to agree that mainstream christianity is NOT approved of by Yah. Now, there are a few elements in mainstream christianity that Yah would approve of, according to scripture, but so much is ignored and so much is added in, its a far cry from scripture indicates is pleasing to Him. > > Yah can work with anything though, and so sometimes mainstream christianity is used to reach people. Jesus does recognize the Pauline churches in Revelation and wants to work with them, so I would not say these are the false ones (though Thyatira was pretty much borderline). In my claim was these churches were Jesus + Paul together with Paul dieing out at which time the religion dies and there is just the relationship between God and man. As such I dislike the Christianity is the false church take on it, but place it with the all things are working for the good. > [@](#): > > In the end, most mainstream christians are more devoted to doing things their way than the bible way–for instance, try telling them they should lose the christmas trees, and point to what the prophet Jeremiah wrote, and they’ll completely ignore it in favor of their invented doctrine that christmas trees honor christ. How can you honor a man with something contrary to his views? It’s like naming an aircraft carrier after a pacifist who doesn’t approve of aircraft carriers. I’d say it’s what’s in your heart. To me the Christmas tree is a vision of the beauty to come in nature. I dislike the ‘don’t celebrate this event’ line of thinking as believe God wants us to celebrate Him, His creation and Him in each of us, which allows all celebrations. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/145 "2011-11-18T16:26:16Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I thought he came to tell weak people they should turn the other cheek and resist not evil, forgiving strong folks their trespasses in between rendering unto Caesar? Yes, it is trust in the authority in Heaven which is above all earthly authority to set injustices right. The OT states that many times, though there is usually a time delay which we don’t like (see Habakku). ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/146 "2011-11-18T16:36:00Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > For clarity > 1: I don’t read it every day > 2: I usually stick to the book I am in > 3: Very rarely I believe I am lead to open it at ‘random’, in this case after reading that scripture I opened up the SD and read your post, the very next thing. I was thinking of your OP and opened my bible randomly and got Deuteronomy 23:1 “No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.” So should I conclude that God thinks you’re a eunuch? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/147 "2011-11-18T16:37:33Z")
I’ve lost track of how this relates to the original topic. I was going to say that before I saw **Fenris** ’ post. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/148 "2011-11-18T16:39:28Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Y.E.S. I am equating them and for a very good reason. It’s all about the world power structure. Those who have authority cause others to bear the burden of society. The strong tell the weak what to do and who they are. This goes to legal authority as well as social structures and family structures. Now you just sound like a conspiracy theorist. Re. the religious stuff, have you ever considered that to someone outside your religious worldview you sound the same as a zealot of any other religion? Listen to an Imam interpreting the world via Mohammed, Allah and the Koran, or a Hindu Guru seeing things as the will of Vishnu and Rama: that’s what you sound like to me. What would those examples sound like to you? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/149 "2011-11-18T16:42:32Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > Every time you read a line of scripture, it happens to someone you know? > > For the love of God, DON’T READ 2 KINGS 2 AND THEN TAKE YOUR KIDS TO THE ZOO!! I did that. It was horrible - a group of kids laughed at a she-bear and suddenly a couple of bald guys appeared and mauled them to death. Gruesome. My favorite Bible passage is the one where Jesus feeds the thosuands with loaves of bread and [plates of shrimp](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plate%20of%20shrimp). ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/150 "2011-11-18T16:44:38Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Now you just sound like a conspiracy theorist. > > Re. the religious stuff, have you ever considered that to someone outside your religious worldview you sound the same as a zealot of any other religion? Listen to an Imam interpreting the world via Mohammed, Allah and the Koran, or a Hindu Guru seeing things as the will of Vishnu and Rama: that’s what you sound like to me. What would those examples sound like to you? Quite honestly, given the opportunity to listen to what they were saying, I would prayerfully consider if their message was born of Love or not. I really don’t care what word or name they use for the term Love. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/151 "2011-11-18T16:47:12Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I was thinking of your OP and opened my bible randomly and got Deuteronomy 23:1 > > “No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.” > > So should I conclude that God thinks you’re a eunuch? As I read this, for me to be in the assembly of the Lord I would need to be \*\*very well \*\*endowed. Bold mine 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/152 "2011-11-18T16:54:34Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’ve lost track of how this relates to the original topic. I was going to say that before I saw **Fenris** ’ post. I find that a discussion of scrotal crushing and forced eunuchization/penile removal always help focus any discussion. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/153 "2011-11-18T16:55:33Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Jesus does recognize the Pauline churches in Revelation and wants to work with them, so I would not say these are the false ones (though Thyatira was pretty much borderline). In my claim was these churches were Jesus + Paul together with Paul dieing out at which time the religion dies and there is just the relationship between God and man. > > As such I dislike the Christianity is the false church take on it, but place it with the all things are working for the good. > > I’d say it’s what’s in your heart. To me the Christmas tree is a vision of the beauty to come in nature. > > I dislike the ‘don’t celebrate this event’ line of thinking as believe God wants us to celebrate Him, His creation and Him in each of us, which allows all celebrations. The warnings of the prophets not to mix your worship with pagan elements goes unheeded. Israel was taken into captivity for their repeated transgression in this area. it is true that Yah wants us to celebrate Him, His creation and Him min each of us, and therefore he wants us to avoid all these trappings of other gods and worship him alone. I imagine some of the Hebrews who engaged in pagan practices also had the same excuse; it does not matter where I got this practice from, because I have Yah in my heart. If you have Yah in your heart, don’t you love Him enough to obey the warnings of the prophets and refuse to mix your worship with pagan elements? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/154 "2011-11-18T17:03:17Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > As I read this, for me to be in the assembly of the Lord I would need to be \*\*very well \*\*endowed. > > Bold mine 😃 God led me to respond with a quote from a random bible verse. > [@Joshua 21:17](#): > > And out of the tribe of Benjamin, Gibeon with its suburbs, Geba with its suburbs, and a follow up > [@Job 41:13](#): > > Who can strip off his outer garment? Who shall come within his jaws? Clearly a profound and significant contribution to this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/155 "2011-11-18T17:10:21Z")
Is it just me or, taken out of context, does **Job 41:13** above sound like gay porn? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/156 "2011-11-18T17:12:28Z")
> [@David42](#): > > The warnings of the prophets not to mix your worship with pagan elements goes unheeded. Israel was taken into captivity for their repeated transgression in this area. it is true that Yah wants us to celebrate Him, His creation and Him min each of us, and therefore he wants us to avoid all these trappings of other gods and worship him alone. I imagine some of the Hebrews who engaged in pagan practices also had the same excuse; it does not matter where I got this practice from, because I have Yah in my heart. > > If you have Yah in your heart, don’t you love Him enough to obey the warnings of the prophets and refuse to mix your worship with pagan elements? Did not Jesus share His very flesh and blood with a devil (Jn 6:70)? Yes there is a time to set oneself apart, but the reason that Jesus came to this world was to combine with it, all it’s sin, so it may be purified and saved. The OT system was one of isolation + preservation and when violate the Israelites lost, the NT one seemed to go out, to include and eventually have the Lord win. With that win I believe is the ability to enjoy the conquests of the victory Jesus gave to us, including celebrations and to take away the penalty as He endured it for us. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/157 "2011-11-18T17:14:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Is it just me or, taken out of context, does **Job 41:13** above sound like gay porn? Wouldn’t be the only passage. There are whole sections of the Bible that sound like porn, besides the obvious Song of Solomon. There’s something in there metaphoring Israel as engaging in bestiality, with explicit mention of donkey and horse genitalia and semen. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/158 "2011-11-18T17:15:08Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Did not Jesus share His very flesh and blood with a devil (Jn 6:70)? > > Yes there is a time to set oneself apart, but the reason that Jesus came to this world was to combine with it, all it’s sin, so it may be purified and saved. > > The OT system was one of isolation + preservation and when violate the Israelites lost, the NT one seemed to go out, to include and eventually have the Lord win. With that win I believe is the ability to enjoy the conquests of the victory Jesus gave to us, including celebrations. God replies to your comments here through the magic of the random scripture page > [@GOD](#): > > the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprase; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst. The fact that he left out Revelation 21:19 (with info on what rocks are first through fourth)? It certainly proves…something! ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/159 "2011-11-18T17:22:48Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > …So following all that, my take is 1: God wanted to state His case to **The Other Waldo Pepper** and/or others here and 2: God used me for this, and also 3: God used the Mod to start a new thread on it which this is (regardless of the **Marley23** intentions for posting). > > So any other explanations that can possibly explain this? Nope. I am unable to think of any. But I certainly believe that the TPTB at the SDMB should send this God of yours a courtesy Mod-Mug right quick. And a blood sacrifice. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223/160 "2011-11-18T17:24:58Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > God replies to your comments here through the magic of the random scripture page > > The fact that he left out Revelation 21:19 (with info on what rocks are first through fourth)? It certainly proves…something! Yes that I’m very well endowed, we saw that in your other post. When God repeats something He really means it. Thank you 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-explaination-for-this-work-of-god/603223.md?page=9)