# Your National Dish Of Shame **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** food-cooking\ **Created:** [May 20, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784 "2022-05-20T19:31:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/201 "2022-05-23T22:05:43Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > toasted cheese rolls Sorry, but I can’t begin to imagine what could be wrong with toasted cheese rolls. They look delicious, and how do you make them? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/202 "2022-05-23T22:12:26Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > So there is pork, just not visible pork. In Bush’s you sometimes get some tiny shreds in addition to the square inch of fatback. They might total as much as 200mg on a good day. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/203 "2022-05-23T22:13:21Z")
Yeah. Not visible and not much. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/204 "2022-05-23T22:14:45Z")
True dat. It’s more discernible on the tongue, texture, not flavor. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/205 "2022-05-23T22:43:10Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > Curry has many meanings. However, “Japanese curry” is a specific dish. I think it is okay, if bland. But since most food in Japan is so good, almost everything else is better (providing it is unfermented). Guess what’s on the stove right now? I don’t find it bland at all. It’s a nice gravy heavy on curry powder and full of sweet and savory flavors. I find it positively flavorful compared to most Japanese dishes, which are pretty clean and simple. (Which is great. I absolutely love Japanese food, but I find it weird to characterize Japanese curry as bland vis a vis other Japanese dishes. Compared to an Indian-style curry? Sure, it’s bland. Compared to delicately seasoned Japanese food? Not at all.) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/206 "2022-05-23T22:45:21Z")
Fair enough. I was comparing its spiciness to South Asian food, not other Japanese food. I think we agree. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/207 "2022-05-23T22:50:12Z")
Oh yes, the spice level is much lower. I have a medium-hot curry on the stove now, and it packs a little bit of a punch. The hot is probably about a medium to me, and the extra hot is in between medium and hot. I often add some hot pepper to it at the table. But spiciness aside, I just love that curry powder flavor – it’s not necessary for me for it to be spicy. The Chinese curries I’ve had from takeouts are similar, and I similarly like them. It’s like someone dumped curry powder into your usual American-Chinese take out base sauce. Nothing like an Indian curry, but lovely in its own right. But I prefer the Japanese curry for all the extra stuff that’s in the cubes, like apple, honey, cheese (!? really!), Peanut butter (yup, in the Vermont brand.) It’s a weird hodge podge of flavors that work well together. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/208 "2022-05-23T23:26:36Z")
Garlic, like butter, makes everything better! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/209 "2022-05-24T00:10:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@EastUmpqua](#): > > > > For the US (at least where I live) I would like to submit corn on the cob. With as much butter, salt and pepper as you can make stick to it. Preferably slightly burned. > > That is delicious, why is it a dish of shame? I agree it’s delicious. > [@EastUmpqua](#): > > I love corn on the cob. With plenty of melted butter, salt and pepper. It’s also my opinion that most of the foods on this list (including poutine) are in fact delicious. I suggested corn because, when eaten correctly, it has tons of butter and salt. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/210 "2022-05-24T00:22:42Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > They just don’t taste cooked, not matter how long they’re cooked for. I had a landlord once who are them raw straight out of the tin, but TBH they probably weren’t that much different. (This in respect of a meat pie in a tin.) I don’t think this counts as the pie is meant to be cooked. But I think it’s the most disgusting thing I’ve read in this thread. j ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/211 "2022-05-24T00:39:18Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > In New Brunswick, Canada, a boiled dinner includes ears of corn, lobsters and a mess of mussels. It might be the best thing ever. That is a clambake, more or less, and is steamed in New England. > [@terentii](#): > > Garlic, like butter, makes everything better! Almost. in Gilroy they have garlic ice cream. That _is_ a Dish of shame. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/212 "2022-05-24T00:59:15Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > That is a clambake, more or less, and is steamed in New England. Yeah, and in New Orleans you have crawfish boils, where crawfish is boiled with potatoes, sausage, corn, maybe some onions, perhaps some lemons, and heaps of Cajun or Creole seasoning. In Door County, Wisconsin, you have a fish boil, with potatoes, often onions, and whitefish. It’s a much more … tepid affair compared to a crawfish boil. Salt is usually the only seasoning used in order to preserve the taste of the whitefish. It’s a pretty common theme. But the one with corned beef and cabbage leaves a lot to be desired. Boiled cabbage isn’t the best preparation for cabbage, and corned beef is much better cooked another way. (Like I prefer baked corned beef and braised cabbage and mashed potatoes as a way of preparing those three ingredients for dinner. Too much corned beef flavor is leeched away into the water in the boiling process, but the leftover water does make for a good liquid to cook, say, beans in.) ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/213 "2022-05-24T01:13:31Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I disagree. When eaten _correctly_ it has tons of garlic, cilantro, chili powder, mayo, and Cotija cheese, plus a squeeze of lime. > [@EastUmpqua](#): > > Ok, this sounds _really_ good and I’m trying it on my next cob. Except the mayo. Probably not going to do that. It’s a specific, if variable, thing - [esquites](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esquites). Tasty, but can be a little much at times depending on the level of condiment to corn which varies from establishment to establishment 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/214 "2022-05-24T01:24:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@terentii](#): > > > > Garlic, like butter, makes everything better! > > Almost. in Gilroy they have garlic ice cream. That _is_ a Dish of shame. Ice cream has come in a bewildering variety of flavors over the centuries. I believe Thomas Jefferson served oyster ice cream to guests at what was then called the Executive Mansion. I’d like to give that a try—I love oysters! ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/215 "2022-05-24T01:26:43Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > It’s a specific, if variable, thing - [esquites](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esquites). Tasty, but can be a little much at times depending on the level of condiment to corn which varies from establishment to establishment 🙂. I am elevating my corn experience this summer. As a side note, I’ve used mayo instead of butter on a grilled cheese sandwich, and it was almost as good as butter. So I’m going full-in on @silenus’s recipe. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/216 "2022-05-24T01:52:15Z")
You won’t be sorry. Elotes and esquites are a delight. Around here, one of our malls (remember those?) had a vendor in the food court that only sold esquites. And there’s plenty of roadside and sidewalk vendors that sell them throughout the summer (though they typically just advertise them as elotes.) ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/217 "2022-05-24T02:44:02Z")
There are two issues with respect to pronouncing the name of the 50th state: first, does the “w” sound like “w” in “wine” or the “v” in “very”? This is apparently somewhat regional and as you move across the islands you hear more local people saying it one way or the other. Announcers on the local NPR affiliate skew toward “HaVai’i” but you hear “HaWai’i” too. second, the okina: it is considered a consonant in the Hawaiian language. It’s a glottal stop. Think of the abrupt distinction you make in between the syllables of “uh-oh!” Or, if you are saying “i.e.” out loud: you don’t say it as a diphthong (iiiiieeeee) you say the two letters distinctly. That’s how you say Hawai’i. The switch from the “ai” sound to the “I” sound is clear and abrupt. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/218 "2022-05-24T02:59:31Z")
Bear in mind the okina in entirety unvovalized, while the Hebrew glottal stop _aleph_ can be quite audible. Somewhere in between is my Midwestern “t” at the end of words that we don’t bother touching the tongue to our pallets: “what?” coming out as “wha-(eh?)” ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/219 "2022-05-24T04:27:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Almost. in Gilroy they have garlic ice cream. That _is_ a Dish of shame. I don’t mind garlic ice cream. They serve it at The Stinking Rose in SF, not great but enjoyable in small doses. But that reminds me of lobster ice cream that’s sold on the Maine coast. Not a great combination. ---
**Author:** ![SleepyParrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@SleepyParrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SleepyParrot)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/220 "2022-05-24T07:21:11Z")
As I go to England quite often, I would say that Full English Breakfast is the one of the few dishes from the British Ilse that have contributed to World Cuisine. It can be a thing of beauty and just what you are looking for after a night out or an eventful day in front of you. How ever it is a dish that can be made so badly and out for shit ingredients that it is not worth the calories. The dish of shame in Denmark is actually our national dish. It is panfried porkbelly with boiled potatos with a white sauce with parsley in it. Old fashion, salty and boring… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784.md?page=12)