# Your National Dish Of Shame **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** food-cooking\ **Created:** [May 20, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784 "2022-05-20T19:31:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/141 "2022-05-22T17:53:20Z")
New England Boiled dinner - Corned beef, cabbage, turnips, carrots, potatoes; all boiled to within an inch of their lives. There are so many better ways to prepare corned beef, it’s a real shame to do it to a nice cut of meat. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/142 "2022-05-22T18:06:27Z")
The Syracuse region has a dish that sounds like it should be shameful - salt potatoes, which sound like they are much saltier than even your averagely-toppinged potato and therefore extremely unhealthy unless you’re short of electrolytes. Only problem is, I can’t find any statistics from a quick search on how much salt is actually in the dish - since the actual potatoes contain minimal salt, and you boil the potatoes in salted water and therefore dump a lot of the salt out. I have had them a couple of times and they are tasty, though, so no shame from that direction. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/143 "2022-05-22T18:12:12Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The “shameful” part of the FEB is the white or blood pudding the English insist is food no-one in the UK calls it “blood pudding”. It is black pudding and it is wonderful stuff (I have some in my fridge as I speak). I have mentioned before but one of my first jobs when leaving school was preparing and cooking black pudding. It is a tactile delight but not for the sqeamish. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/144 "2022-05-22T18:17:26Z")
Pah-TAY-to, pah-demon toe jam. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/145 "2022-05-22T18:22:40Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > New England Boiled dinner Truth in advertising – they’re making it sound _exactly_ what it tastes like. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/146 "2022-05-22T18:57:46Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > > [@Kimstu](#): > > > > I am scratching my head trying to figure out what is in any way shameful about this. Fresh and properly cooked American corn on the cob is a divine gift from the loving hands of Chicomecóatl (Aztec maize goddess) herself. > > Yes, I too am confused… I love corn on the cob. With plenty of melted butter, salt and pepper. It’s also my opinion that most of the foods on this list (including poutine) are in fact delicious. I suggested corn because, when eaten correctly, it has tons of butter and salt. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/147 "2022-05-22T19:06:24Z")
Fried crisp or still chewy? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/148 "2022-05-22T19:13:23Z")
> [@EastUmpqua](#): > > I suggested corn because, when eaten correctly, it has tons of butter and salt. I disagree. When eaten _correctly_ it has tons of garlic, cilantro, chili powder, mayo, and Cotija cheese, plus a squeeze of lime. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/149 "2022-05-22T19:46:06Z")
Ok, this sounds _really_ good and I’m trying it on my next cob. Except the mayo. Probably not going to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/150 "2022-05-22T20:09:10Z")
I thought the same thing until I had one of those Mexican jobbies at a street fair. And I’m the type of person who likes just enough mayo on my sandwich to make the bread wet AND NO MORE! ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/151 "2022-05-22T20:12:31Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > There are so many better ways to prepare corned beef, it’s a real shame to do it to a nice cut of meat. I’ve had it smoked, baked & sous vide but simmered remains my favorite, probably just nostalgia. But what do you recommend? …Though I do prefer the cabbage roasted nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/152 "2022-05-22T20:26:38Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I’m Canadian, born and raised, but I find poutine disgusting. I have had gourmet poutine, and it is marvelous: #### _Le Cellier Signature Poutine_ _Fresh-cut French Fries, Canadian Cheddar Cheese Curds, Truffle, Red Wine Reduction._ and in a couple other places. But poutine as fast food is ecch. Cheap canned gravy is what ruins it. > [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > Everyone likes fries, though. They are improved by fresh cheese curds and good gravy. Yes, GOOD gravy. > [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > I need to try a Scotch egg, though. They look killer. Done right, they are quite good. > [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > Yeah, although Velveeta is good… I found it made good trout bait… Here in CA it is “California roll” cucumber, avocado and fake crab sushi roll. We laugh at people who think we like it. > [@EastUmpqua](#): > > For the US (at least where I live) I would like to submit corn on the cob. With as much butter, salt and pepper as you can make stick to it. Preferably slightly burned. That is delicious, why is it a dish of shame? The American version of the FEB is steak & eggs, with hash browns, toast , with biscuits & red-eye gravy too. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/153 "2022-05-22T20:43:17Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The American version of the FEB is steak & eggs, with hash browns, toast, with **biscuits & red-eye gravy** too. I think these go better with ham & eggs. And grits with cheddar cheese, of course. ---
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/154 "2022-05-22T20:43:30Z")
As a New Englander— **Manhattan** Clam Chowder. Who put _tomato_ in a chowder? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/155 "2022-05-22T20:54:50Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > no-one in the UK calls it “blood pudding”. It is black pudding and it is wonderful stuff « Black pudding » is what it was called in our family as I was growing up, but for some reason in North America it’s generally called blood pudding or blood sausage. The pairing of black pudding and white pudding is divine. No need for bacon or sausage in a FEB that has both. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/156 "2022-05-22T21:23:12Z")
> [@dorvann](#): > > As a New Englander— **Manhattan** Clam Chowder. > > Who put _tomato_ in a chowder? People with taste? > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > No need for bacon or sausage in a FEB that has both. No, I’m going to need bacon _and_ sausage after I (using someone else’s fork) slap shot both puddings back the hell from whence they sprang. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/157 "2022-05-22T21:30:35Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > > [@dorvann](#): > > > > As a New Englander— **Manhattan** Clam Chowder. > > > > > Who put _tomato_ in a chowder? > > People with taste? [Can’t we all just get along?](https://fearlesseating.net/long-island-clam-chowder-recipe/) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/158 "2022-05-22T21:33:52Z")
I could eat that. “Heathenistic putz.” Nice turn of phrase there. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/159 "2022-05-22T21:56:31Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > Did you mean “British pub curry “? Ah, the post was so far back that I finally went back to get it. I’ve largely lived in UK for 54 years. Been going to pub for about 36 of those years. I’ve never seen what you call a “British Pub Curry”. It might be a thing in America where a “British Pub” (\*) might be a thing, and they serve a curry. But it’s not a thing in the UK. [Here](https://www.hungryhorse.co.uk/pubs/west-midlands/waterfront/menu/main-menu) you’ll find the typical menu in a UK pub, Chicken Tikka Masala is the norm, a Indian style dish invented by Indians living in the UK and absolutely does not contain raisons or apples or indeed any sort of fruit. Previous to that Korma perhaps. (\*) It wasn’t until I visited New York and the saw the ubiquitous sports bars there labelled as “Irish bars” that I made the connection that Irish bars typically seen overseas (such as in Germany and Belgium where I had lived) were “New York/Boston Irish bars”, and that’s why my six months in Cork, Ireland I was baffled why most pubs were not “Irish bars”. On that note, you get the typical example here. "Corned beef and cabbage " served in US irish bars. The clue is in the name itself, it is not a genuine Irish dish, “Corned beef” in that is the US named food, which would be called “Salt beef” and the it would be “Bully beef” (as the US calls it) if served in Ireland. Just because someone serves it in America and calls it that, does not mean it is an authentic dish. I never saw that on the menu in Cork around 2000. Perhaps now it would appear, the world turns, and people adapt. However, they can make recipes for something called “British Pub Curry” but it does not mean it is a real thing. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784/160 "2022-05-22T22:15:29Z")
I’ve read the traditional Irish pairing was cabbage and pork (or ham). Corned beef was adopted by Irish immigrants in the northeastern US, where it was more readily available. I have to ask: Are raisons the same as raisins? 😕 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-national-dish-of-shame/964784.md?page=9)