Your Opinion of the BEST and WORST POTUS in the Modern Era?

Does anyone else just hate Reagan?
SDI laser - out to lunch
Hardline against Evil Empire - You mean reagitating a relationship that was on the way to being okay anyway, and then taking credit for ending the Cold War?
took economy off the skids - By putting forth a failed economic theory, and then going back against it?
tearing down the walls - By randomly saying to Gorbachev, “Tear down these walls!”, and then having Gorbachev actually do it for NO REASON AT ALL. People still don’t understand why Gorby actually did it. People thought the line was just rhetoric and then, surprise, Gorbachev actually took down the walls.

I’d like to add in the Iran-Contra affair. Such a horrible, horrible thing done directly under his supervision.

Uh you do realize the Civil Rights bill was signed by Johnson, not Kennedy?

Limited to post-WWII presidents:

  1. Truman
  2. Reagan
  3. Johnson
  4. Nixon
  5. Clinton
  6. Eisenhower
  7. Bush Sr.
  8. Ford
  9. Kennedy
  10. Bush Jr.
  11. Carter

I gotta agree with this except to note that Gorbachev did nothing more than get trampled under by the rush to the exits.

I don’t like Eisenhower due to his letting Dulles pretty much do whatever he wanted in Guatemala and Iran.

I’ve always felt bad for Hoover. He just made the wrong decisions. Wasn’t evil, did a lot of good before he was president, just wasn’t up to the task. My main beef against him was that he didn’t have McArthur arrested.

Best:
1- FDR Conquered Depression and Hitler, responsible for Social Security
2- Clinton Peace and Prosperity
3- Johnson Civil rights and War on Poverty, the last great liberal president
4- Carter Human rights, Panama Canal, Olympic boycott
5- Wilson Beat the Kaiser, proposed League of Nations
6- Teddy for his support of conservation and national parks

Worst:
1- Bush Jr Torture, tax cuts, Iraq
2- Reagan father of the anti-government whack jobs, fired traffic controllers, warmongering old goat
3- Nixon could have been a good president if he wasn’t a crook
4- Hoover Refused to deal with Depression
5- Harding corruption
The rest I would assign to mediocrity.

Me; he was an evil, senile bastard are far as I’m concerned.

Uh you do realize the Civil Rights bill was Kennedy’s brainchild and that Johnson likely signed the bill out of sympathy for Kennedy’s death?

I think this sells LBJ short. He also was very much for civil rights and pushed the hell out of Congress to get it passed. He was not merely a passive president who happened to sign a bill placed on his desk, he knew how to pull the levers and push the buttons on Capitol Hill and did so to get it passed.

Best: Reagan, Ike, Teddy Roosevelt.
Worst: Bush II, Nixon, Carter

FDR would have made the list if he didn’t totally cave in to Stalin in the end and not even symbolically protest the Soviets redrawing borders and swallowing up eastern Europe.

Gulf War I, raising taxes when necessary.

He created the missile crisis.

This. JFK would never have gotten it passed on his own.

Count me as a long-time Reagan despiser.

My opinion of the BEST and WORST POTUS is probably quite similar to most people’s: I like the BEST one quite a lot.

And I don’t really care for the WORST one.

Just as an aside to my Berlin Wall statement, I still remember calling Gorbachev a “stupid-head” in a high school essay.

Good times…

Best (in no order): Teddy Fucking Roosevelt, FDR, and Clinton
Worst (again, in no order): Reagan, Bush II, Herbert Hoover

Honorable Mention (for both categories): Richard “Tricky Dick” Nixon.

Best: FDR beat Hitler and Tojo while in a wheelchair and lead us through the depression

Worst: Bush edges out Nixon. Nixon cynically continued a war and trashed the constitution. But Bush cynically started a war and trashed the constitution and destroyed the economy. “Now watch this drive.”

Post WWII

Best

Truman
Bush I
Nixon

Worst
Carter
Reagan
Bush II

Frankly since WWII the only great Presidents, as in Presidents who did influential things have been Truman and Nixon. Everybody else just reacted to events. Even GHW Bush, who handled the collapse of communism and the Soviet Union with consummate skill, was reacting to events.

I’ll definitely lose sleep over that.

With FDR, Truman and Eisenhower, the U.S. enjoyed a trifecta of outstanding consecutive Presidents. I think I’d rank each of them above any President since.

The worst President of the modern era – and indeed ever – is so obvious that anyone instead naming Nixon, Hoover, Harding or Carter must be from some alternate universe.

In between there were several Presidents best described as “Jekyll-and-Hyde’s.” Among these, JFK is the standout. When he was good – space program, civil rights, Peace Corps, etc. – he was very very good. But when he was bad, he was horrid.

If we are limiting to the “modern” era, properly defined as from FDR on (when the role of federal government, and thus the President, changed), I would say that the best president was probably Eisenhower. He accomplished much, and has little that can be used against him (biggest negative: failing to confront the ultra-conservative Republicans on the issue of communism in American government). He had ample opportunities to use nuclear weapons and refused all of them. We owe our extensive interstate highway system in large measure to him (his combined experiences with the failed effort to move troops cross-country in 1919 and with the efficient movement of troops across Germany on the autobahns made him a strong activist supporter of the concept). He ended the Korean War, and started no new ones. He skillfully managed his administration (mostly by letting people who were good at what they did run his departments). He was a likeable leader, and he understood the value of using modern media to communicate regularly to the American public (foreshadowing Reagan’s use of media to similar effect).

He did accomplish things that can be criticized (most especially the CIA program of killing off leaders around the world who were perceived as being soft on communism; his assassination of Mossadegh and return of the Shah to the Peacock Throne has come back to haunt America in significant ways), and he failed to act in some cases in ways that can be criticized. But he was strong in Arkansas in 1957, he forced the military to accept integration (Truman had ordered it, but had failed to accomplish it), he nominated some pretty good Supreme Court justices, without regard to ideology, which is why we had both C.J. Warren and J. Brennan nominated by a Republican President.

In short, he was a damn good president.

As for the worst, that’s hard to say. I will exempt from consideration George W. Bush, since there hasn’t been enough time to form an opinion. I know he finished highly unpopular, but so did Truman, and most people consider Truman to be a better-than-average president. And while the Board’s liberal members love to trash him by viewing him through their liberal, anti-Republican lenses, somehow they fail to apply those thought processes to Lincoln, who unconstitutionally suspended constitutional protections (habeas corpus, among others), sent troops in to seize and control papers who published things he didn’t like), used the military to put down the Dakota uprising, appointed cronies to the Supreme Court who had what he considered reliable viewpoints on slavery, etc. So I’ll reserve my judgment on President Bush II until time has passed.

Nixon is a popular choice, and he certainly did much to destroy the prestige of the office with the Watergate scandal, the unconstitutional extension of the Southeast Asia war, etc. And he did some quite unhelpful things domestically, notably his wage and price controls. But, he did get us out of Vietnam, he did open relations with the People’s Republic of China, he created the EPA, etc. So he wasn’t really a terrible president. It’s just that his bad things he did were really, really bad things.

Carter is also a favorite target. But while I personally think he was a poor president, some of what he gets criticized for was not particularly his fault. The economy certainly wasn’t his fault; it was the result of two decades of failed economic policies related to a number of restructurings of society resulting from a liberalization of social and political thought in America. Also, it’s not clear that the Iran hostage crisis could have been ended any sooner than it was, given attitudes in Iran about America and the Shah, and the situation in the decision-making bodies of the new Islamic Republic. And Carter did accomplish the Camp David accords, which changed the nature of Arab-Israeli relations. He got the Superfund created. And many may forget, but he de-regulated the airlines (though maybe that wasn’t such a good idea!). So he wasn’t a complete dunderhead.

Still, the problem is there aren’t many other choices. FDR wasn’t the worst, certainly. Neither were Truman, Kennedy or Johnson. Ford wasn’t a particularly bad president, for his limited time in office. Reagan was not a bad president (again, I ignore the loud liberal critics on this board, who apparently didn’t live during the 70s and 80s, and thus cannot compare how wonderful having Reagan in office was compared to his predecessors). Bush I was a decent president, and didn’t do anything particularly wrong. Clinton, of course, was a good president (his choice in women aside). So it’s really a matter of choosing either Carter or Nixon.

In making this choice, do we choose the President who did the worst things, or the President who was the most ineffective? I will go with the most ineffective. Whatever his positives, President Carter was the most ineffective of the presidents since WWII. His Cabinet was often a concern for him. His handling of the Energy Crisis was ridiculed. His “malaise” speech was, frankly, stupid. He was rightly criticized by G. B. Trudeau for being a President that found symbolism more important than substance. He was, all-in-all, not very good at his job.

Now, if we could just go back from FDR one president, we’d find a President who was much worse than either Nixon or Carter.

I agree that Eisenhower is often underrated. There may have been few memorable emergencies in which he shined, but that’s because he avoided them before they became grave, e.g. helping defuse the Suez crisis of 1956.

Soon after JFK took office the Bay of Pigs fiasco occurred. When I point this out in JFK: Jekyll or Hyde? threads, JFK supporters are quick to blame the Bay of Pigs on Ike. :smack: (And JFK made foreign policy blunders much more severe than the Pigs fiasco.)

Read about the Pigs fiasco. If you then conclude that Ike would have played it the same way as JFK, let me sell you a Bridge in Brooklyn. :smiley:

IMHO:
Best: Dwight Eisenhower: he was a “quiet” president-underneath an appearance of passivity, he was probably the hardest working 20th century president. As an ex-general, he saw the carnage of war, and was reluctant to get into wars.
Second Best: Calvin Coolidge: the only president who decreased Federal spending! Another low key guy, but very intelligent.
Worst: Lyndon Johnson: vain, arrogant, and stupid. This man walked into Vietnam, and embroiled the USA in a war that cost >$800 billion, over 60,000 American lives, possibly over a million Vietnamese lives. Started the “Great Society”-led to the expenditure of >$11 trillion, with no good results. Ultimately a coward-walked away from the mess he created, and drank himself to death. A morally bankrupt creep.
Second Worst: John F. Kennedy: a man with limited experience and while very photogenic, not a serious intellect of any kind. Allowed thousands of Cuban patriots to go to their deaths/imprisonment, because he lost his nerve. Almost went to war with Kruschev (Cuban Missile “Crisis”-which he himself precipitated). A puppet of his corrupt father, also amoral and all image, no substance.