# Your Opinions on the comic book movie rennaissance. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 28, 2004, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953 "2004-12-28T17:25:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/1 "2004-12-28T17:25:30Z")
It seems to me that after the release of the first _X-Men_ movie in 2000, there has been a huge surge in the comic book movie genre, especially with Marvel optioning every comic property to every studio they can find. So here are my picks, placed into three categories, based on all the CB movies I’ve seen since _X-Men_: **Good** _X-Men_ and _X-Men 2_ _Spider-Man_ and _Spider-Man 2_ _Daredevil_ _Blade_ and sequels. (Though I think some of those were before _X-Men_.) **Mediocre** _Catwoman_ (Only because of Halle Berry) _Men in Black 2_ **Sucked Balls** _Hellboy_ _Hulk_ Finally, movies I am looking forward to: _Elektra_ _Sin City_ (Gonna be awesome TO THE MAX!) _X-Men 3_ _Green Lantern_ Movies I am not looking forward to: _Wonder Woman_ (Sorry, folks. Wonder Woman is just lame.) _Superman Whatever_ Supe has been done to death. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/2 "2004-12-28T17:29:59Z")
Well, there are Ghost World and American Splendor, in the Indie-genre. And Mystery Men. But it may have been '99. And you didn’t mention the new Batman? And Hellboy was better than Daredevil. I mean, come on. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/3 "2004-12-28T17:32:24Z")
I’ll go a little broader and add some pre-Xmen movies. Good Xmens, Spidermans, Batman & Batman Returns, Superman and Superman II Mediocre Daredevil, Superman III (not great but humorous), Hulk Bad Punisher, Other Batman and Superman movies, Supergirl Looking forward to Wonder Woman Green Lantern Batman Begins Not looking forward to Elektra (dull in Daredevil, could never hold her own film) ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/4 "2004-12-28T17:38:25Z")
…you thought _Catwoman_ was better than _Hellboy_? I hadn’t really had much in the way of thoughts on “comic book movies.” Seems like the recent flood of them is a pretty predictable phenomenon, based on two facts: 1. Using CGI, it is now possible to film anything one can imagine. Period. 2. Hollywood is desperate for decent, pre-tried-and-successful ideas to turn into movies. I can think of no other reason for the \*Beverly Hillbillies \* film of a few years back, or the recent \*Charlie’s Angels \* movies. Given these two facts, it seems inevitable that producers would start checking into the licensability of comic book characters and stories… and after a profitable success or two (particularly the first couple _Batman_ movies), it seems equally inevitable that more films of this sort would be made. I just hope the \*Fantastic Four \* movie doesn’t suck. I loved that comic when I was a kid… ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/5 "2004-12-28T17:46:54Z")
Let’s not forget some excellent comic-based movies that don’t have to do with superheroes, per se. Some of them have been mentioned already: American Splendor Ghost World Road To Perdition Non-Marvel and DC heroes: The Rocketeer (1991; an underrated and fun movie with Jennifer Connelly playing Bettie Page in all but name) The Crow (the first one was an excellent movie, but all the sequels… meh.) Hellboy Mystery Men The Mask I think Spider-Man 1 and 2 and X-Men 1 and 2 are the best superhero movies yet, and I prefer the sequels to the originals. I wasn’t fond of any of the previous four Batman movies, although I love Anton Furst’s set design and Danny Elfman’s musical score in the first one. Has anyone tried watching it recently? It is boring and hasn’t aged well. The best Batman movie ever is Mask of the Phantasm, the first animated Batman film. It captures everything that makes the character good. I’m eagerly awaiting Sin City and Batman Begins and I’ll probably see Fantastic Four, but I don’t have high hopes for it. Elektra looks completely skippable to me. I skipped Catwoman, Steel, and Spawn, and wish I had skipped Hulk, both versions of Punisher, and every attempt ever at filming Captain America. How about some more obscure choices? Who has seen the made-for-TV Generation X? Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD starring David Hasselhoff? The Justice League TV pilot? The Dr. Strange TV movie from the '70s? Roger Corman’s unreleased Fantastic Four movie? The Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man TV show? I haven’t seen The Flash TV show in many years, but I remember it being really good. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/6 "2004-12-28T18:00:20Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > So here are my picks, placed into three categories, based on all the CB movies I’ve seen since _X-Men_: Let’s address these one at a time, shall we? } **Good** }_X-Men_ and _X-Men 2_ Agreed }_Spider-Man_ and _Spider-Man 2_ Agreed }_Daredevil_ Did we see tha same movie? }_Blade_ and sequels Hadn’t seen. No opinion. } **Mediocre** }_Catwoman_ (Only because of Halle Berry) My, you are generous. }_Men in Black 2_ Seriously generous. } **Sucked Balls** }_Hellboy_ }_Hulk_ Generous? Maybe you’ve got the “Mediocre” and “Sucked Balls” catagories backwards? }Finally, movies I am looking forward to: }_Elektra_ Serious trepidation. When did Elektra get the power to see the future? No seriously, I haven’t read Daredevil in about twelve years. }_Sin City_ (Gonna be awesome TO THE MAX!) I’m unfamiliar with the source. No opinion. }_X-Men 3_ Only if Joss Weadon or Kevin Smith does it. If Fox tries to get just anyone to write/direct this, it could sink the franchise (I hate the term “movie franchises”) faster than Batman Forever. }_Green Lantern_ Was that whole Jack Black thing a joke? If so, then I could be excited, too. Otherwise, I may need aspoon to pry my eyes out. }Movies I am not looking forward to: }_Wonder Woman_ (Sorry, folks. Wonder Woman is just lame.) Again, it depends on who they have write/direct, and who stars. }_Superman Whatever_ Supe has been done to death. If WB would just show the charater the same repect they show some of their stars, then they cold have agood movie. What I am seriously scared of is the HellBlazer movie. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/7 "2004-12-28T18:34:20Z")
_The Incredibles_ is a superhero movie, rather than a comic book one, but it is very grand indeed. _League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen_ should be scraped off our collective shoe. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/8 "2004-12-28T18:36:32Z")
**Freido** , you may want to re-check your OP. You seem to have transposed _Daredevil_ and _Hellboy_. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/9 "2004-12-28T18:46:50Z")
Like **Odinoneeye** , I’m going to go back further than just 2000 but will make the Renaissance movies red to stay in-topic. **Great** [ul][li]_X2_[/ul][/li] **Good** [ul][li]_X-Men[/li][li]Spiderman[/li][li]DareDevil[/li][li]Blade[/ul]_[/li] **Mediocre** [ul][li]_Batman Forever[/li][li]Spiderman 2[/ul]_[/li] **Bad** [ul][li]_Batman[/li][li]Batman Returns[/ul]_[/li] **Horrible** [ul][li]_Batman & Robin[/li][li]Hulk[/li][li]Superman[/li][li]Superman II[/li][li] Superman III[/li][li]Superman IV_[/ul][/li] **Haven’t Seen and Intend to** [ul][li]_Punisher[/li][li]Blade II[/li][li]Blade Trinity[/li][li]Green Lantern[/li][li]Elektra[/li][li]Iron Man_[/ul][/li] **Haven’t Seen and Don’t Intend to** [ul][li]_Supergirl[/li][li]Wonder Woman[/li][li]Batman Begins[/li][_]The new Superman\*[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![JCorre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3da27b/32.png) [@JCorre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JCorre)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/10 "2004-12-28T21:28:11Z")
> [@](#): > > What I am seriously scared of is the HellBlazer movie. Are “they” really going to attempt that? It will either be the best comic book movie ever or the worst. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Escorpio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@El\_Escorpio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Escorpio)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/11 "2004-12-28T21:43:19Z")
The Hellblazer movie, (Constantine) is supposed to be quite good, if you can get over the fact that Keanu Reeves plays John Constantine. This is based on the opinions of some friends who have seen a 20 minute preview… so… maybe. I kind of liked the new Punisher movie, though it was far from perfect. I’ll come to the defense of Hulk, too, if only for the jumping-through-the desert-and-throwing-the-tanks scene. Hellboy was OK, no dumber than the comic (c’mon, be honest!). Really stoked for Sin City and Batman Begins. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/12 "2004-12-28T21:49:11Z")
Good points so far, but don’t forget… **Unbreakable**. A damn good movie. I loved **Mystery Men**. **Sin City** looks promising. Good source material. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/13 "2004-12-28T21:49:58Z")
> [@Big Bad Voodoo Lou](#): > > Who has seen the made-for-TV Generation X? Do you mean the one with Finola Hughes as Emma Frost taking over the Xavier School? Bleh! (although Finola as a bleached blonde was quite memorable.) > [@Big Bad Voodoo Lou](#): > > The Dr. Strange TV movie from the '70s? Saw it, and double bleh! Without resorting to IMDB, I remember a Tom Berenger look-alike as the Doctor, a car crash, and the psycho woman from _Play Misty For Me_ (Jessica Walter). ---
**Author:** ![Selkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Selkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Selkie)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/14 "2004-12-28T21:53:31Z")
> [@JCorre](#): > > Are “they” really going to attempt that? It will either be the best comic book movie ever or the worst. Have you seen [the trailers](http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2005/0-9ABC/Constantine/trailer.php)? It not only looks like a bad _Hellblazer_ adaptation, it looks like a risibly bad movie, period. Keanu Reeves as John Constantine? Who uses a holy shotgun? And employs a bucket of water and an electric chair to visit hell? WTF?! As for staying on-topic: I’m all for using comic books as source material for movies, and there have been some good ones. I think _Road to Perdition_ even achieved that rare feat of being better than the book on which it’s based. _American Splendor_ was fabulous. I even have a soft spot for _From Hell_, which may have been an unfaithful adapatation, but was still a watchable movie. The original _X-Men_ led me into comics, though I learned an expensive lesson that the movie was much better than anything the flagship title has produced. And I can’t begin to count how many non-genre fans loved _Hellboy_, including me. What bothers me is the preponderance of superhero movies, while some promising comic-based projects like the adaptation of _Whiteout_ languish in development hell. I’d be first in line if Miramax ever dusted off their scripts for _Jinx_ or _Goldfish_. There’s so much depth in the medium that isn’t being touched, while the superhero genre’s being stripmined for every last lump of coal. Enough! ---
**Author:** ![JCorre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3da27b/32.png) [@JCorre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JCorre)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/15 "2004-12-28T22:11:29Z")
_Keanu Reeves_ He would be the absolute last on my list to play Constantine. That seriously bums me out. Hellbalzer was one of my favorite comics. I feel like Eric Stoltz in pulp fiction when he opens his front door to see Travolta driving across his lawn with the overdosed Uma Thurman. Why did hollywood have to do this? There were plenty of other comics they could screw around with. I think I know how those fanboys of Alien vs Predator felt when that shitbird came out. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/16 "2004-12-28T22:24:23Z")
> [@Big Bad Voodoo Lou](#): > > The Dr. Strange TV movie from the '70s? I always thought that this was terribly brave, even to _try_ to do pre-CGI, on TV. Remember the Spiderman segments on PBS’s _The Electric Company_? ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2004, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/17 "2004-12-28T22:29:20Z")
Superheroes on television tend not to fare too well, although recently this trend has begun to turn around. I remember the Nicholas Hammond \*Spider-Man \* series, and thought it was remarkably dumb, even at the time (and this was coming from a kid who liked the old Battlestar Galactica). I remember the _Generation X_ telemovie, and thought it was trying much too hard to be cool. Not grade A stuff, frankly. I agree that every single attempt to translate Captain America into any genre other that comics has stunk. Even the old sixties cartoon wasn’t too good, and the seventies TV series was… well, durn near indescribable. The only thing I remember about the old \*Dr. Strange \* movie was that the art director seemed to be trying to do Steve Ditko otherworld backgrounds, but all he had to work with was cardboard and a fog machine… The _Flash_ teleseries was… well, kind of uneven. Some episodes weren’t bad. Others weren’t very good. At least two that I can remember veered far enough into Adam West territory to be unintentionally laughable. As I recall, it wasn’t the sort of thing I’d bother to set the VCR to catch if I had a date that night. I was disappointed with _League of Extraordinary Gentlemen_. Badly. I mean, why option the work of a talented writer if you’re not going to use a perfectly good story? This one reeked of glib Hollywood guys “improving” the concept right and left while not really understanding what the whole thing was about. On the other hand, I’ve still got both _LoEG_ trade paperbacks, and they’re both still good, no matter what Hollywood did to them. I liked _Hellboy_; I thought it was remarkably true to the comic. The only thing I really didn’t like was the ersatz romance between Hellboy and Liz, which does not exist in the comic. \*Ghost World \* was quite good, but it’s not something most people would think about when you talk about “comic book movies.” \*Ghost World \* was, for that matter, a pretty atypical comic book, in that it was about the relationship between two teenage girls who did not have superpowers or humungous breasts. I think the moral of the story here is that you have to (a) understand the material, and (b) have a feel for it, and © be ready to create – from scratch, if you have to – the kind of world where these comic-book people can truly exist and do what they do. Spider-Man can exist in modern New York – he’s built that way. Batman, on the other hand, needs the gothic creepiness of Gotham City. You’ve gotta meet the material halfway, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/18 "2004-12-29T01:17:43Z")
I liked the Hulk movie. I think Ang Lee did a very good job with a character that is kinda awkward. For starters, the guys origin is tied very specifically to radiation. We didn’t understand it then, so the possibility was less silly. Now the whole thing is ridiculous. Notice how the formerly radioactive spider that created Spider Man is now genetically altered. And not only is the origin hard to handle, but the hero is as well. He has to go back and forth from milquetoast to mighty, so you have to find scenarios to give him opportunities and carefully flex both characters. His villains are even sillier since a fair amount revolve around the same radioactive origin. I thought Ang balanced it all nicely and the comic book feel was pretty cool also. The X-Men movies were kind of hit and miss to me, but that’s the drawback of a group movie. You have to introduce and balance characters constantly, and you only really have about 120 minutes to do it. The Blade movies were fun, but not what I’d call great movies. The source is weak though. Blade is a hokey character. They did find their niche in the heavy techno fight movie genre and have made the most of it. I really liked Hellboy and the Spider Man movies. I’d never read Hellboy, but read some after the movie and could see that the tone was the same. I’m gonna get some of the collections when I have the $. I’ve been a fan of Spidey for a very long time, and the movies did not disappoint one bit. Spider Man 2 is, to me, the very model of how a comic book movie should be. From cast to story to director and all the way down to the key grips, the movie is perfect Spider Man. I have not seen Daredevil, and really have no intention to ever see it. It’s possible that later I may be filled with enough self loathing to rent it, but if I get that bad I may commit suicide to spare myself. I knew the movie was bad when, in the clips they showed on television, I could spot the stunt double clearly. Catwoman was so far removed from the source material that it shouldn’t even be counted as a comic book movie. The first two Batman movies are brilliant. The last few never happened. Everyone knows that they stopped making them after Tim Burton left. Joel Schumacher doesn’t even exist. I will say that I like the looks of the new Batman Begins, and I’m really glad to see them pick up the character again after 12+ years 😃 Poor Constantine. I’ve never read the comic and I’m totally unfamiliar with the character. But unless he says “dude” as if it were punctuation, I’m thinking the movie isn’t going to be good. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/19 "2004-12-29T02:28:13Z")
**Good** _X-Men_ and _X-Men 2_ Ditto! _Spider-Man_ and _Spider-Man 2_ Double ditto! _Daredevil_ I didn’t like it overmuch, but I’ll give it to you. 😉 _Blade_ and sequels. (Though I think some of those were before _X-Men_.) Yup, yup, yup. 🙂 **Mediocre** _Catwoman_ (Only because of Halle Berry) Agreed. And this is from a Halle Berry _fan_. ☹ _Men in Black 2_ Mostly dull as dishwater, but it did have some good moments. I’d put it in an ‘eh’ category–I don’t love it to death, but I’d watch it if nothing else was on TV. **Sucked Balls** _Hellboy_ Dude. No way. _Hulk_ …er, well, yeah. _woe_ And Eric Bana and Jennifer Connelly… _sigh_ Finally, movies I am looking forward to: _Elektra_ Good-looking cast and a great director. I can’t comment on the comic-to-movie aspects, but I’d like to see this too. _Sin City_ (Gonna be awesome TO THE MAX!) One word: sweeeeeeet. 🆒 _X-Men 3_ Mostly (so far) recasting those from X-Men 2–Hugh Jackman (Wolverine), Patrick Stewart (Professor X), James Marsden (Cyclops), and Alan Cumming (Nightcrawler) are already signed up. No word on the director or any plot details. Still, I can’t wait! _excited_ _Green Lantern_ I tried typing this in at [imdb.com](http://imdb.com) and got an actor, Jon Stewart. 😕 Can’t comment. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2004, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953/20 "2004-12-29T06:26:41Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > I liked the Hulk movie. Just wanted to back that up with a “me too.” While I wouldn’t put **Hulk** on the same level as the **Spider-Man** or **X-Men** movies, I thought it was a fairly decent tackle on the character. The “split panels” effect was a bit distracting, but not a crippling experiment, and the final fight needed to be redone to make it easier to follow along, but the bulk of the movie was a good go, IMO. > [@Harborwolf](#): > > And not only is the origin hard to handle, but the hero is as well. He has to go back and forth from milquetoast to mighty, so you have to find scenarios to give him opportunities and carefully flex both characters. I liked the inclusion of the “abusive father” origin angle; it would have been an easier copout to simply have made the Hulk a victim of a science experiment gone wrong, but David Banner’s presence gave the movie an emotional base to build on. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-opinions-on-the-comic-book-movie-rennaissance/281953.md?page=2)