# Your own Movie Theories **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 17, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766 "2011-06-17T00:47:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Silvio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Silvio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silvio)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/101 "2011-06-19T23:23:04Z")
In The Godfather II, the real traitor is Rocco Lampone. Fredo’s role was to broker secret meetings being Johnny Ola and Al Neri and Rocco Lampone, but not Tom Hagen. He knew he was going behind Michael’s back but honesty did not know the meetings were for a hit. Al Neri does not take the offer but does not go to Michael, taking a wait and see approach. Lampone takes the offer. It is he who sets up the hit at Michael’s home. He or his men open the drapes, get the gunners into the compound and then kill them. Neri, according to the deleted scenes, is in Vegas then. Fredo lacks the ability to get the drop on two hitmen, and none of his men would follow such an order from him. Lampone on the other hand is in the compound and in charge of security. Lampone also gives the order to the Rossato brothers to kill Frankie Five Angels in New York. This is to create the impression that Corleone has turned on his old allies, giving remaining New York mobsters the option of making new deals with Roth. The plan fails. The scene towards the end when Michael has a final meeting with his captains is crucial. He insults Tom Hagen by telling him he knows about his other job offer and tells him to either go along with the plan or leave. But what he is REALLY doing is letting all his captains know that he knows about all the other job offers they have been offered… It is Lampone who takes the initiative and then begins discussing the difficult but not impossibe (possible ony if it is a suicide mission) of killing Roth. He then carries out the hit but is killed, as it is indeed a suicide mission. Why else would such a high ranking Corleone officer volunteer for a hit like that? It is the only way to redeem himself, just like Frankie Five Angels has only one way to redeem himself. Neri gets a pass by killing by Fredo. ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/102 "2011-06-20T09:08:24Z")
Toy story 3 is an allegorical morality tale for women in historic polygamic societies. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/103 "2011-06-20T13:53:15Z")
> [@mr.jp](#): > > Toy story 3 is an allegorical morality tale for women in historic polygamic societies. So _that’s_ why my kids liked it so much! ---
**Author:** ![Quercus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7ab992/32.png) [@Quercus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/104 "2011-06-20T15:19:23Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > In\* Blade Runner\* everybody is a replicant. As earth became depopulated, replicants were added to give the illusion of a working society for the few remaining humans. The humans gradually died off and there is nothing but replicants left. Earth is actually too polluted for humans to live on. So, it’s a planet of robots that are nigh-indistinguishable from humans (except for being stronger), and often don’t even know that they’re not human, even to the extent of being on the human’s side in the human-robot war? Hmmm.. Given that, does anyone else have the feeling that the events of Blade Runner actually all happened before and all of it will happen again? - Including the fact that a small group of researchers at the Tyrell corp are about to discover practical immortality, right before a world-devastating nuclear war. Oh, and the origami-folding character is actually some kind of ghost/angel providing subtle (or not-so-subtle) guidance. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/105 "2011-06-20T17:06:36Z")
> [@](#): > > - Including the fact that a small group of researchers at the Tyrell corp are about to discover practical immortality, right before a world-devastating nuclear war. Oh, and the origami-folding character is actually some kind of ghost/angel providing subtle (or not-so-subtle) guidance. And apparently, one of those researchers got his position through nepotism, and so is named Tyrol himself. OK, the spelling is a little different, but you’d expect that sort of thing to shift over the course of millenia. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/106 "2011-06-23T14:40:18Z")
I just watch “The Book of Eli” last night. Gary Oldman played his regular mustache-twirling bad guy, and I realized - Gary Oldman not only plays the same character in every movie he’s in, but it’s the actual same character. Where most television shows exist in the [Tommy Westphall Universe](http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tommy-westphalls-universe), there is an increasing number of movies in the Dracula/Drexyl/Stansfield/Zorg universe. Somewhere along the line, Count Dracula became immune to the sun, and began walking the earth. He repented, became a Puritan, and knocked up Hester Pryne. He got into organized crime - then later repented again and became a police commissioner. As an immortal, he survived the apocalypse and oversaw the rebuilding of civilization over the course of millenia, eventually becoming intergalactic industrialist Zorg. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/107 "2011-06-23T14:44:08Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > I just watch “The Book of Eli” last night. Gary Oldman played his regular mustache-twirling bad guy, and I realized - Gary Oldman not only plays the same character in every movie he’s in, but it’s the actual same character. You’re actually arguing that Gary Oldman plays _the same character_ in every movie he’s in? Really? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/108 "2011-06-23T14:47:10Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > You’re actually arguing that Gary Oldman plays _the same character_ in every movie he’s in? Really? 😕 Absolutely. I really don’t understand the Cult of Oldman on this board. His bad guy character is indistinguishable from movie to movie. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/109 "2011-06-23T17:36:17Z")
Sirius Black? Commissioner Gordan? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/110 "2011-06-23T17:39:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Sirius Black? Commissioner Gordan? None of those are bad guys. Really, the only time he strays from his one role is when he plays a good guy. And he rarely plays a good guy. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/111 "2011-06-23T18:15:32Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > None of those are bad guys. Really, the only time he strays from his one role is when he plays a good guy. And he rarely plays a good guy. Lee Harvey Oswald? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/112 "2011-06-23T18:20:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by JoelUpchurch > In Blade Runner everybody is a replicant. As earth became depopulated, replicants were added to give the illusion of a working society for the few remaining humans. The humans gradually died off and there is nothing but replicants left. Earth is actually too polluted for humans to live on. > > So, it’s a planet of robots that are nigh-indistinguishable from humans (except for being stronger), and often don’t even know that they’re not human, even to the extent of being on the human’s side in the human-robot war? It’s been done. Have a look (if you can find it) at the underappreciated 1962 movie **Creation of the Humanoids** > **[The Creation of the Humanoids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Creation_of_the_Humanoids)** > > The Creation of the Humanoids is a 1962 American science fiction film release, directed by Wesley Barry and starring Don Megowan, Erica Elliot, Frances McCann, Don Doolittle, and Dudley Manlove. The film is not based on the plot of Jack Williamson's novel The Humanoids (1949), to which it bears little resemblance, but on an original story and screenplay written by Jay Simms. > In a post-nuclear-war society, blue-skinned, silver-eyed human-like robots have become a common sight as the surviving p... > **[creation of the humanoids - Yahoo Video Search Results](https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=creation%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bhumanoids)** > > The search engine that helps you find exactly what you're looking for. Find the most relevant information, video, images, and answers from all across the Web. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/113 "2011-06-23T18:47:06Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Cute, but I’m pretty certain that we’ve seen The Coyote receive packages from Acme Products addressed to “Wile E. Coyote”. > > ETA: what \*\*Robot Arm \*\*said. Didn’t Wile E. present a buisness card in one cartoon? ---
**Author:** ![Unpronounceable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9de0a6/32.png) [@Unpronounceable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unpronounceable)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/114 "2011-06-23T19:07:35Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Not so much a theory as a literal viewing of the show. In the fifth season of _American Dad_ there was an episode “Rapture’s Delight”. There was nothing in the episode that said it wasn’t canon. In the episode, the Smith family along with everyone else on Earth experiences the Rapture. Most people get taken to Heaven but some - like Stan, Francine, and Roger - get left behind and spend the next seven years fighting the Anti-Christ. At the end of the episode, Stan dies and gets into Heaven after all. And in Heaven he gets to experience whatever makes him happy and we see him entering his house and being with his family again. The end. > > So basically, we have to assume that’s what happened. The world ended, everyone died, and everything we’ve seen on the show since then has just been Stan’s idealized afterlife. You missed a tiny detail: in Stan’s heaven, Claus the fish was still dead, stuffed & mounted on the wall. But he shows up again in later episodes. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/115 "2011-06-23T19:14:40Z")
Skynet isn’t malevolent; it’s not even bent on self-defense. It’s simply a dutiful servant, obeying instructions by doing its level best to eliminate human error. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/116 "2011-06-23T19:27:40Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > I’m sure others have suggested this but I’m convinced the entirety of the story in \*Total Recall \*was a false memory from the Rekall chip the tech holds up and says, ”Wow that’s a new one, blue sky on Mars”. I hear that a lot but it doesn’t make sense as there are scenes without Arnold’s character in them. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/117 "2011-06-23T19:38:10Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I hear that a lot but it doesn’t make sense as there are scenes without Arnold’s character in them. There are plenty of other clues, as the head of Rekall points out to Arnold/Quade. The moviemakers deliberately kept it ambiguous, wanting to have it both ways, and let the audience decide for themselves. But a friend pointed out the not-so-obvious flaw in all this. When Ronny Cox’s Cohaagen calls Michael Ironside from Mars, there’s no several-second delay, as there ought to be. Add in the ludicrous eye-popping choking-to-death scenes and the speed of the Atmosphere Plant’s operation, and it’s kinda hard to make your suspension of disbelief keep up. But directots don’t often care about details like that. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/118 "2011-06-23T20:24:31Z")
_Ratatouille_ is a sequel to _The Secret of N.I.M.H._ Remy’s rat colony is descended from a batch of escaped lab rats who were subjects in a similar European experiment. The movie’s conclusion includes the public revelation of intelligent rats, and the recognition of their legal rights, allowing Remy to open the first openly rat-owned and operated restaurant in France. Anton Ego’s passionate defense of the rats legal rights led him to being fired from his position as a restaurant critic. (Actually, I’m half certain the second half of that, with the rats gaining legal recognition, is intended - a lot of the end of the movie doesn’t make sense without it.) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/119 "2011-06-23T20:25:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Skynet isn’t malevolent; it’s not even bent on self-defense. It’s simply a dutiful servant, obeying instructions by doing its level best to eliminate human error. A lot like HAL, then. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766/120 "2011-06-23T20:32:27Z")
> [@Unpronounceable](#): > > You missed a tiny detail: in Stan’s heaven, Claus the fish was still dead, stuffed & mounted on the wall. But he shows up again in later episodes. Because Kalus is a minor character. Stan was originally focused on restoring his family the way he remembers them. But eventually he remembered Kalus so Heaven restored him to life in Stan’s dream. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-own-movie-theories/585766.md?page=7)