# Your sartorial pet peeves? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 8, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321 "2016-03-08T20:05:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/61 "2016-03-09T20:15:35Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Warms my cold, still heart that folks are debating whether grey suits and brown shoes are fashion forward or a fashion don’t. > > As with so many things in life, it depends on respective shades of grey and brown. > > In fact, I just bought a beautiful medium grey suit with a subtle glen check and a very discrete brown stripe. Perfect with a dark brown pair of shoes. > > But those dark charcoal or black suits with brown shoes - that I just can’t abide. A proper dark brown shoe (without any obvious orange tones) is appropriate with certain suit colors. That’s fine. [I refer to this kind of “brown” shoe](http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB119ylJXXXXXbdXFXXq6xXFXXXQ/Fashion-brown-black-mens-business-shoes-genuine-leather-mens-wedding-shoes-formal-dress-shoes-party-new.jpg), worn with dark grey or black trousers. Franky, they look as if someone skinned Donald Trump and turned him into shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/62 "2016-03-09T20:17:11Z")
Teenage boys and younger adult males that don’t know to remove the manufacturers label sewn on to a suit or blazer sleeve before wearing. [https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4023/4713741064\_bce655e2b4\_b.jpg](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4023/4713741064_bce655e2b4_b.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/63 "2016-03-09T20:40:11Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Matching socks. “La-dee-da, look at me! I can make my left foot look like my right foot!” Pretentious fops. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/64 "2016-03-09T20:41:56Z")
> [@JcWoman](#): > > Before I read anybody else’s I have to add mine: > > Manufacturers of women’s clothing who space the buttons on shirts too far apart so that you get gapping between the breasts. I’ve tried on so many otherwise gorgeous tops and had to refuse to buy them because of this one silly, stupid flaw. I sew on a little snap between the buttons. It’s a pain in the arse, but worth it. ---
**Author:** ![jabiru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@jabiru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jabiru)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/65 "2016-03-10T04:31:41Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > My peeve is shoes lighter than your outfit, particularly women’s shoes lighter than their leg covering. You stole my peeve. :mad: My other peeve is women’s trousers with ‘pockets’. These ‘pockets’ aren’t fake and they aren’t sewn closed. They’re just too damn shallow to be any use. ---
**Author:** ![Whatever4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@Whatever4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whatever4)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/66 "2016-03-10T04:33:50Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Misironed clothing: trousers, either no line or the line has to be completely vertical when you stand up. It shouldn’t be a diagonal and it definitely shouldn’t be twisty. > Dresses in styles that would have been starched within a thread of their lives (Hairspray-inspired, say) which look more like the wearer has been rolling around in them. > Flipflops at work. Actually, just flipflops… My twin! At last we meet, in the spray starch aisle, with coupons.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/67 "2016-03-10T04:40:28Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > In fact, I just bought a beautiful medium grey suit with a subtle glen check and a very discrete brown stripe. There’s only one stripe, but at least it’s very clearly defined. ---
**Author:** ![Lacunae\_Matata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lacunae\_Matata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lacunae_Matata)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/68 "2016-03-10T06:14:17Z")
I think most of my peeves are related to undergarments. Ladies: please go get fitted for a bra. I know it’s an annoyance. I know they’re often much too expensive. But one or two that actually fit well? Priceless. And when you go buy those brassieres, please buy one in black and one that comes close to matching your flesh color. Bright white is usually a terrible choice. So is pink and black zebra print. Or lime green with purple dots. And regardless of your gender, please keep your underwear inside of your clothing. I don’t want to see a whale tail. I don’t care whether your boxer briefs match your shoelaces. (And somewhere, there’s a shoplifting report on file where a nice local officer was snarky enough to quote my witness statement: “About 5’10”, slim, short hair, lovely chocolate brown complexion, wearing a white shirt, blue jeans, and red panties.") But basically, if it’s called underwear, please keep it out of my consciousness. If I can see your drawers, I know too much about you. If I see the outline of your bra hook up around your neck? Either the bra doesn’t fit you, or the elastic gave up the job. Sartorial style that worries me: We have all seen that guy with the lunar belly, who belts his pants very low - his actual waist may be 50 inches, but his pants are 32W and 21 inseam, because he just belts below the belly. I always hope these guys wear suspenders when I see them in the wild. My other peeve, based on my own lifetime of having a ghetto booty: ladies, you are aware of the size of your body parts. Before wearing certain skirts in public, please check the side and rear views. If your skirt is 2 inches shorter in the back than in the front, choose a different skirt. ---
**Author:** ![ticker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@ticker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ticker)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/69 "2016-03-10T11:39:10Z")
Lace-up boots with a handy side-zipper so you don’t have to lace them up. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/70 "2016-03-10T13:08:15Z")
Sweatshirts with shorts. So, your torso is cold, legs are warm? Dressed head to toe in advertising, especially same brand. I saw a guy dressed in all FUBU (is FUBU still a thing anywhere?)- shoes, jeans, drawers hanging out, sweatshirt, and hat all loudly emblazoned. I tend to see this with PINK wearers, too. Heels with socks. If you’re wearing a black dress and black shoes, please don’t wear red nylons…or purple…or green. Colored tights, sure. Colored nylons are just weird. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/71 "2016-03-10T13:44:04Z")
Oh, so many. Clip on braces (US: “suspenders”). No they don’t make you look old-timey, they make you look like an idiot. If you actually knew anything about old-timey clothes, you’d know that braces were almost exclusively buttoned on. Clip on braces, like baseball caps, are totally unacceptable on a grown adult. Baseball caps. It’s been said already, but why the fuck is the stupidest looking and least practical hat of all time the only one that so many people will consider wearing? Low-rise trousers. No, trousers are not supposed to be strapped around your hips, the reason the waistband is called that is because that’s where it belongs, at the waist. It’s bad enough on jeans, nowadays even suit trousers have absurdly low rises, and it can be quite a challenge to find trousers that actually fit properly. In future times, when people are posting silly old pictures on whatever social media evolves into, the one thing they’ll be saying most often is “What were those early 21st century idiots thinking with those stupid trousers? Did they not have mirrors? Could they not see the hideous ugliness of their legwear?” Those stupid Lululemon tights-as-trousers things. Yoga pants. They look bad on women with nice bodies, they look _really_ bad on everyone else. They’re really just tight sweatpants, and are just as classy as sweatpants. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/72 "2016-03-10T13:44:31Z")
> [@seal\_cleaner](#): > > I hate to see guys wearing pants so long that they’re bunched around the shoe. I know off the rack clothing doesn’t always fit just right, but for a few bucks you could have them hemmed. Fashion & media critics [Tom & Lorenzo](http://tomandlorenzo.com/) spend a lot of time commenting on Red Carpet looks. Of course, the women get more ink. Most male stars should _not_ use the occasion to be “creative.” But T&L are regularly appalled by how often the guys show up in pants that have not been hemmed correctly. The stars hire people to “dress” them–who apparently aren’t up to the job. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/73 "2016-03-10T13:53:43Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > The trend among young black men for having their pants hanging off their asses. Do you live in a place that only has black people? Showing the slit in the moneymaker has been multicolored for over a decade… ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/74 "2016-03-10T14:09:29Z")
> [@ticker](#): > > Lace-up boots with a handy side-zipper so you don’t have to lace them up. Unless you have Doc Marten money to spend, you cannot find a pair without zippers. Poseurs ☹ . [QUOTE=Shakester] Low-rise trousers. No, trousers are not supposed to be strapped around your hips, the reason the waistband is called that is because that’s where it belongs, at the waist. It’s bad enough on jeans, nowadays even suit trousers have absurdly low rises, and it can be quite a challenge to find trousers that actually fit properly. In future times, when people are posting silly old pictures on whatever social media evolves into, the one thing they’ll be saying most often is “What were those early 21st century idiots thinking with those stupid trousers? Did they not have mirrors? Could they not see the hideous ugliness of their legwear?” [/QUOTE] Not only are they an abomination but it seems like they’ve been the default silhouette for way too long now. Aren’t styles supposed to keep changing? Why then can I only seem to find those godawful skinny jeans and pants that have four inch rise?:mad: They’re the second biggest contributor to the muffin top epidemic (the first being our American fat asses). ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/75 "2016-03-10T14:51:14Z")
Low rise trousers are the worst with vests. The bottom of the vest is supposed to cover the waistband of the pants. When you have six inches of white-shirt belly hanging out between them you look like someone tried to pour too much ice cream into a cone. Just sloppy and childish. ---
**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/76 "2016-03-10T15:02:01Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Teenage boys and younger adult males that don’t know to remove the manufacturers label sewn on to a suit or blazer sleeve before wearing. [https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4023/4713741064\_bce655e2b4\_b.jpg](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4023/4713741064_bce655e2b4_b.jpg) I know women who don’t remove it. They seem to think it should be there. I don’t like seeing skirt slits or men’s jacket vents that are still basted shut. Snip those threads! ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/77 "2016-03-10T15:15:47Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > Not only are they an abomination but it seems like they’ve been the default silhouette for way too long now. Aren’t styles supposed to keep changing? Why then can I only seem to find those godawful skinny jeans and pants that have four inch rise?:mad: They’re the second biggest contributor to the muffin top epidemic (the first being our American fat asses). I was happy (relatively anyway) when casual men’s pants went back to being more form-fitting rather than super baggy. I appreciate nice butt. Now if they would just get rid of the pooped in your pants part. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/78 "2016-03-10T16:49:27Z")
Do you remember when zippers came in male and female varieties (the slider on the right-hand side for the male wearer, left for female)? What happened to the male zippers? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/79 "2016-03-10T17:25:46Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > There’s only one stripe, but at least it’s very clearly defined. Yes. It’s left off center. For racing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321/80 "2016-03-10T17:26:19Z")
> [@Pai325](#): > > I know women who don’t remove it. They seem to think it should be there. > > I don’t like seeing skirt slits or men’s jacket vents that are still basted shut. Snip those threads! I’ve had the horrible realization that I forgot to cut the threads off of my skirt a time or two. Also, a man in my office showed up for his interview with his suit vents basted shut. It made me think that he probably had to run out and buy a suit (it wasn’t a very nice one) because he didn’t own any. That combined with the fact that he’s a bit old for the training level position made me feel bad for him and hope he got the job. Turns out he drives a new BMW and is currently living in a luxury apt that our firm paid for him to relocate to. So, not poor, just clueless. [QUOTE=gigi] I was happy (relatively anyway) when casual men’s pants went back to being more form-fitting rather than super baggy. I appreciate nice butt. Now if they would just get rid of the pooped in your pants part [/QUOTE] You make a good point; I too like to see the tush. But I don’t really appreciate the sight of a man in what is essentially denim tights. What’s wrong with a good old pair of (properly fitting) Levi’s 501s? Also, if a man’s shorts reach his knees that man is wearing culottes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-sartorial-pet-peeves/748321.md?page=5)