# "'Your son has killed two kafirs. I slit their throats with a dagger'" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2016, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035 "2016-02-03T06:32:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/61 "2016-02-04T05:34:52Z")
> [@TheFaerie](#): > > I was wondering the same thing actually… Do they have a recording device that picks up sound from 30 seconds ago, cuz that would be truly amazing! It is obvious that times of India has taken the transcript from Indian security agencies, and not from the relatives of the terrorist living in Pakistan. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/62 "2016-02-04T05:54:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Many people on the board agree with you. > > They would phrase it as “religion is a poison for society,” though, because their agreement arises from a belief that includes almost all religion, not simply Islam. They would object to your phrasing, since it suggests an objection only to Islam. > > I don’t agree with them, or you. I think Muslims are theologically in error, but not “poison,” in any meaningful way. And of course I argue that Christianity is a positive influence on the world. I think religion in ideal scenario is supposed to be related with spirituality and with (harmless) cultural traditions, festivals etc. Although I am not religious, I don’t believe religion is poison or is harmful. Also, religions have reformed with time. Islam is different from all other religions. Please dont assume that terrorists are the only extremists. The extremism or primitiveness you find in terrorists is also seen on internet, on YouTube comments for ex. in many adherents in varying degrees. Many terrorists are prepared in religious Madrassas only. Like mentioned earlier, one should love and respect muslims as individuals like non-muslims knowing that Islam is poison. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/63 "2016-02-04T06:07:51Z")
You know, Christianity ain’t exactly squeaky clean when it comes to its history, either. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/64 "2016-02-04T06:30:08Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Joined in 2012 - he lurked for four years before posting this? He’s been here for awhile. Caused a bit of a stink awhile ago when referring to some Muslim he didn’t like as a “Paki” which the mods felt wasn’t even worthy of a mod note much less a warning for hate speech. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/65 "2016-02-04T06:31:28Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > You know, Christianity ain’t exactly squeaky clean when it comes to its history, either. That’s right. Neither is Hinduism. In certain Hindu communities (rajputs), Sati(abolished now) used to be practiced where widow immolated herself on her husband’s pyre. Religions have reformed with time. The pace of reform should have been even faster in this information era. I don’t think Islam has reformed (or reformed nearly enough). ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/66 "2016-02-04T06:38:03Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > It is obvious that times of India has taken the transcript from Indian security agencies, and not from the relatives of the terrorist living in Pakistan. The Times didn’t identify the source in the article. Have the Indian security agencies confirmed that they were monitoring the family’s phone? Have other media sources reported on the existence of this transcript? What do you make of the reference to slitting throats in the transcript, when the official accounts of the incident do not indicate that any victims died from having their throats cut? Again, I’m not familiar at all with this incident. Perhaps the answers to my questions are well known to those who have been following the story. But I am somewhat skeptical of this transcript. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/67 "2016-02-04T07:02:21Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > The Times didn’t identify the source in the article. Have the Indian security agencies confirmed that they were monitoring the family’s phone? Have other media sources reported on the existence of this transcript? What do you make of the reference to slitting throats in the transcript, when the official accounts of the incident do not indicate that any victims died from having their throats cut? > > Again, I’m not familiar at all with this incident. Perhaps the answers to my questions are well known to those who have been following the story. But I am somewhat skeptical of this transcript. They hijacked one car, slit throat of the driver(who died) and another person (jeweller, used his phone, which was intercepted by security agencies, to call to pak) - > [@](#): > > There were three occupants in the vehicle when it was hijacked by five militants which included Singh’s jeweller friend Rajesh Verma and the driver. While the terrorists slit the throat of other two, the police officer, who is facing charges of alleged breach of discipline, was released later and the vehicle was abandoned at Tajpur village, a place which is 2 km from the IAF’s Pathankot air base. > One of the militants is alleged to have used the phone of the jeweller, who is undergoing treatment in a hospital, to make a call to Bhawalpur in Pakistan which was intercepted by intelligence agencies. > : > : > **[Pathankot attack: Terrorists may have sneaked in through Bamiyal village](https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/pathankot-attack-terrorists-may-have-sneaked-in-through-bamiyal-village/)** > > The terrorists, official sources said, crossed over near Shakargarh in Pakistan to Bamiyal village and later changed into Army fatigues before kidnapping Salwinder Singh. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/68 "2016-02-04T07:53:33Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > That’s right. Neither is Hinduism. In certain Hindu communities (rajputs), Sati(abolished now) used to be practiced where widow immolated herself on her husband’s pyre. Religions have reformed with time. The pace of reform should have been even faster in this information era. I don’t think Islam has reformed (or reformed nearly enough). While I disagree with truthSeeker2’s original post and most of his other points, he has a valid point on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/69 "2016-02-04T08:20:53Z")
The Hindu religion didn’t reform itself. The British forced a change. And widows were still jumping on fires even in the 1980s, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/70 "2016-02-04T08:48:59Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The Hindu religion didn’t reform itself. The British forced a change. And widows were still jumping on fires even in the 1980s, IIRC. One women did in 1987 and it caused an uproar, it wasn’t a common practise then: > **[Roop Kanwar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roop_Kanwar)** > > Roopkuvarba Kanwar (c. 1969 – 4 September 1987) was an Indian Rajput woman who was allegedly forced to immolate herself in an act of Sati at Deorala village of Sikar district in Rajasthan, India. At the time, she was 18 years old and had been married for eight months to Maal Singh Shekhawat, who had died a day earlier at age 24, and had no children. > Roop Kanwar was burnt alive on the funeral pyre of her husband. Several thousand people attended. After her death, Roop Kanwar was hailed as a sa... They also don’t sacrifice humans at the Kali temple in Calcutta anymore. It not really relevant if it was forced on them or not, Hinudism has gone through a reform process. Communal violence is still an issue of course, I’m not saying its perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/71 "2016-02-04T10:16:42Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Joined in 2012 - he lurked for four years before posting this? Nah, he’s been active in islamophobic threads since. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/72 "2016-02-04T11:35:33Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > Islam is different from all other religions. Please dont assume that terrorists are the only extremists. The extremism or primitiveness you find in terrorists is also seen on internet, on YouTube comments for ex. in many adherents in varying degrees. Many terrorists are prepared in religious Madrassas only. Perhaps you could remind us which religion were the people who popularised the practice of suicide bombings. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/73 "2016-02-04T14:19:47Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > They hijacked one car, slit throat of the driver(who died) and another person (jeweller, used his phone, which was intercepted by security agencies, to call to pak) - > > [Pathankot attack: Terrorists may have sneaked in through Bamiyal village | India News - The Indian Express](http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/pathankot-attack-terrorists-may-have-sneaked-in-through-bamiyal-village/) Interesting. Thanks for the cite. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/74 "2016-02-04T14:38:14Z")
Hooollleeee shit **truthseeker2** , you came back! I’m surprised, because I was sure the eveil Muslims were going to get you for your truthful internet postings. I’m glad you are hanging in there. So, what should we do **truthSeeker2**? Should we kill them all? Shall we carpet bomb them until the desert turns to glass and glows so we can shoot them in the dark? Would that be the Christian thing to do? 600,000 civilians (not soldiers, mind you, civilians) died during the US invasion and occupation of Iraq, how many more evil muslims should a good Christian kill? Or maybe we should lock them up in camps until they renounce their faith. Should we brand them to mark them as dangerous? What do you think we should do **truthseeker2**? ---
**Author:** ![Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stately_Greek_Automaton)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/75 "2016-02-04T19:48:48Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > Now, now, as we all know it is only possible for an ideology to drive people to do _good_ things, never evil. Also it must be true that all ideologies are equally bad and good otherwise we’d be able to say that one was more likely to lead to evil deeds than another, that will never do. > This explains those Quaker terrorist organisations forever seeking to set-up their own exclusive enclaves by force and murder. If Quakerism had a billion+ adherents, that would be a brilliant argument. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/76 "2016-02-04T19:53:36Z")
> [@Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](#): > > If Quakerism had a billion+ adherents, that would be a brilliant argument. If Quakerism had a billion+ adherents I’d be bloody thrilled. OK, they’re still theists, but at least they pay more than lip service to the whole “hurting and killing are shitty things to do” rules that all the other theists seem happy to loophole the shit out of. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/77 "2016-02-04T21:35:24Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Being that he’s still alive, probably not. But since the incidents are otherwise so similar, I am curious to see the transcript of his mother telling him how brave he is, and to hear the details of the feast they plan to hold in his honor. While the mother appears to approve of his actions, it was the terrorist himself talking about a feast. > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > So, what should we do **truthSeeker2**? Should we kill them all? Shall we carpet bomb them until the desert turns to glass and glows so we can shoot them in the dark? Would that be the Christian thing to do? 600,000 civilians (not soldiers, mind you, civilians) died during the US invasion and occupation of Iraq, how many more evil muslims should a good Christian kill? Or maybe we should lock them up in camps until they renounce their faith. Should we brand them to mark them as dangerous? What do you think we should do **truthseeker2**? The OP is an Indian Hindu, so I don’t think he much cares what the Christian thing to do is. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/78 "2016-02-06T03:24:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Many people on the board agree with you. > > They would phrase it as “religion is a poison for society,” though, because their agreement arises from a belief that includes almost all religion, not simply Islam. They would object to your phrasing, since it suggests an objection only to Islam. I am not sure how many takers you would really get with that broad a brush. Perhaps, if you phrased it as “religious fundamentalism is a poison for society” then you would tempt more of us. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/79 "2016-02-06T03:40:34Z")
He speaks to his mother in English? If this is a translation of the transcripts, why are some parts of it left in Arabic? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035/80 "2016-02-08T15:27:14Z")
Other than the religious invocations at the beginning, it’s Urdu, not Arabic. And it wouldn’t be unusual for Pakistanis to speak both Urdu and English in the same conversation. However, it’s probably just that the TOI didn’t bother to translate the bits that even non-Urdu speakers would understand (the same way a US newspaper wouldn’t translate common Spanish phrases). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-son-has-killed-two-kafirs-i-slit-their-throats-with-a-dagger/745035.md?page=3)