# Your startup idea is stupid and I can't implement it for you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489 "2017-03-18T16:54:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2017, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/21 "2017-03-18T21:35:32Z")
Too late for edit: That highlights the problem with ‘idea men’ - what he wanted to do wasn’t actually practical with the technology at the time, but he didn’t know enough to know that implementing his idea at that time wouldn’t be practical. And streaming movies is not an original idea, I recently read an ‘ideas of the future’ article from the 1970s that postulated streaming movies at home, though it didn’t postulate the internet. So while it’s easy to say ‘ohh, you missed out on the bright idea that could have been Netflix’, the fact is the idea was far from new, and it wouldn’t have been profitable at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/22 "2017-03-18T21:37:14Z")
I posted a rant some years back pitting people approaching me with “I need you to make me a website to make me a millionaire.” Then when I ask what their idea is they have no idea, but Google and Amazon did it so how hard can it be? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/23 "2017-03-18T22:10:42Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Except that the ground floor of Netflix was in 1997, five years before, and wouldn’t move into video streaming for another five years, 2007, and Hulu also wasn’t announced until 2006 and didn’t form until 2007. While the estimate for movie rights was insanely high, the $10-15 billion for network infrastucture was low - there just wasn’t that kind of bandwidth available in most places, and trying to get 2007 speeds in 2002 would not be cheap. Hulu was valued at around $1 billion in 2007 and Neflix was also similarly large, so the friend would probably need that kind of capital to do a streaming movie business, which isn’t likely if he’s doing a ‘friends and relatives’ business investment. > > So no, Wolfman’s friend was half a decade too late to get in on the ground floor of Netflix, and half a decade too early for the streaming game to start. You must be a riot at parties. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/24 "2017-03-18T22:45:25Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I get this all the time. I have more than a few friends in IT would want to make video games. So I get a lot of questions about or requests to build an AI. And no matter how many times I them tell that the AI I work on is not the kind of AI typically used in video games (which are usually state machines) it comes up again and again. It is very frustrating. Aren’t there relatively cheap tools out there that allow you to make your own video game? I’m pretty sure I came across such things. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/25 "2017-03-18T22:48:53Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Aren’t there relatively cheap tools out there that allow you to make your own video game? I’m pretty sure I came across such things. Yeah, but they never actually want to invest the dozens and dozens of hours required to learn them, never mind the hundreds it would take to know enough about game development and optimization to make something that’s shippable. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/26 "2017-03-18T23:00:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > My friends consider me the goto guy when it comes to writing good computer programs. Well I happen to have an idea that could make us a fortune. How about you create an app that allows people to have a virtual meeting using their own computing device. Let me know when you are finished and we can test it by having a virtual meeting. Then I will sell it and makes us billions. You can have 20% of the billions. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/27 "2017-03-19T00:03:44Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > No, just confusing. and hard to follow unless very well documented… ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/28 "2017-03-19T01:02:26Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Aren’t there relatively cheap tools out there that allow you to make your own video game? I’m pretty sure I came across such things. There are things like RPGMaker, which is inexpensive or free depending on the version. I fooled around with it for a while. It had a pretty steep learning curve just to use the bare-bones program. It’s based off Ruby programming language so if you know Ruby you can make it do amazing stuff. If you DON’T know Ruby, like me, you’re kind of stuck with the defaults unless you can find tips or add-ons online. That doesn’t even take into account putting together a decent story, creating characters with every aspect from their name to the difficulty curve for leveling up up to you, artwork, music, maps that don’t suck (i.e. a forest with trees lined up in precise rows like an orchard, with the exact same clump of flowers between them) puzzles, etc etc etc. The RPGMaker forums I read had a lot of what the OP’s talking about: some newbie signing up with “ohai I have this great idea for a game that (is basically a ripoff of whatever’s the most popular game franchise of the time full of features the game engine just can’t handle). Who wants to make it for me? I’ll let you put your name on it somewhere!” ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/29 "2017-03-19T02:37:58Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > My friends consider me the goto guy when it comes to writing good computer programs. And when you got married that was the Altar statement? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/30 "2017-03-19T03:45:53Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > “And that’s how I missed out on being in on the ground floor of Netflix.” The thing is, it’s not inconceivable that one of my friends could be successful. Not because they have a good idea – I haven’t heard a good idea yet – but because sometimes a good idea emerges organically from trying to do something stupid first. Or, in the current climate, it’s enough to have an idea that’s attractive to investors. That investment money can be the springboard on to better things, even while the original idea dies horribly. So in some ways it’s like a lottery. The problem is, a single ticket costs perhaps years of my life, salary-free, working for someone who I think is an idiot, on an unworkable and unoriginal idea. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/31 "2017-03-19T03:53:35Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > People think that ‘an idea’ is really extremely valuable, when almost everyone has vastly more ideas than they have time to develop. You’ll see this all the time in computer gaming, where someone comes up with the easy part (basic game concept, description of some cool areas and abilities) and thinks a game developer should hear it. But if you’re someone who works making games, you have dozens ideas of games that you’d like to make that you won’t ever have time to make, and the hard part of making a game is going from the base idea into actual rules and code, and creating the in-game art (not sketches of ideas) and making it work on actual hardware, plus of course getting someone to fund the game for the months or years it takes to do this. Actually I used to have game ideas, and would get as far as 20-30% done before hitting some difficult technical or design challenge and moving on to the _next_ big idea. Perhaps next time someone tries to pitch an idea to me, I bring my laptop and show them 1. How bad I am at actually finishing shit and 2. How much work it took even to implement this ugly bag of unfinished features. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/32 "2017-03-19T04:43:55Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > I had a friend who considered him self a serious business man. In around 2003 he set up a serious private meeting to offer me a great business opportunity. He had basically come up with on-demand movie streaming and wanted me to completely implement it and finished with a cheesy stripmall basement business class"And don’t tell me no, tell me what you need to make it happen!!" > > I told him around 20-30 billion to buy the rights to the movie libraries, 10 to 15 billion to build the network infrastructure to get a big enough distribution network to hit basic critical mass to make it profitable, and a 100000-1 time dilation device to allow me to get an EE degree and invent a high speed network and compression codec before the thousands of of teams spending billions of dollars for the last decade working on the same damn thing did. > > He was so genuinely crushed I felt really bad about giving such a sarcastic jackass response, but… C’mon dude.:smack: > [@Ravenman](#): > > “And that’s how I missed out on being in on the ground floor of Netflix.” > [@Pantastic](#): > > Except that the ground floor of Netflix was in 1997, five years before, and wouldn’t move into video streaming for another five years, 2007, and Hulu also wasn’t announced until 2006 and didn’t form until 2007. While the estimate for movie rights was insanely high, the $10-15 billion for network infrastucture was low - there just wasn’t that kind of bandwidth available in most places, and trying to get 2007 speeds in 2002 would not be cheap. Hulu was valued at around $1 billion in 2007 and Neflix was also similarly large, so the friend would probably need that kind of capital to do a streaming movie business, which isn’t likely if he’s doing a ‘friends and relatives’ business investment. > > So no, Wolfman’s friend was half a decade too late to get in on the ground floor of Netflix, and half a decade too early for the streaming game to start. Well, for all we know, the Netflix people started developing the streaming video on demand after **wolfman** ’s friend pulled himself together and pitched the idea to them. Four years from concept to rollout doesn’t strike me as an implausible timeframe on a project as ambitious as that. ETA: DISCLAIMER: I do not claim to have a sufficient frame of reference to know if my impression of what is and is not implausible has any real-world validity. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/33 "2017-03-19T05:22:55Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > So in some ways it’s like a lottery. The problem is, a single ticket costs perhaps years of my life, salary-free, working for someone who I think is an idiot, on an unworkable and unoriginal idea. And that’s too high a price. I did work for wild, fun optimists who had _This Awwwwwwesome Idea!_ but even after I produced a lot of artwork for them, they ran headfirst into _This Awwwwwwesome Thing Called Reality!_ … which included the realization that they didn’t have enough to pay their bills. It was worth losing a few hundred to never have to deal with them again, and it’s worth never being rich/admired/famous to never hear another pie-in-the-sky promise again. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/34 "2017-03-19T12:26:06Z")
You know, this thread is giving me an awesome idea… I just need help with a few technical details, and we’ll all be rich! ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/35 "2017-03-19T12:40:42Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Well, for all we know, the Netflix people started developing the streaming video on demand after **wolfman** ’s friend pulled himself together and pitched the idea to them. Why on earth would they need Wolfman’s friend to pitch the idea to them? Like I said, the basic idea ‘lets stream movies to people and charge them for it’ is an idea that’s been published and available to the public since at least the 1970s. The first time I streamed a short, low-quality video in the 90s I thought ‘one day with much more bandwidth, you could do a whole movie this way’, and I wasn’t the only one. Cable and phone companies had been working on ‘video on demand’ since the early 1990s, in 2001 Enron and Blockbuster (such dated names now) tried to do video on demand over the fiber network that Enron had bought, though it flopped. There was simply no value in ‘let’s do video on demand’, it’s an obvious idea that a lot of people had, were working on, and were spending billions of dollars on before Wolfman’s friend thought he came up with it. The useful part isn’t the blatantly obvious idea, it is figuring out how to handle video rights and the network infrastructure (hard and expensive problem). ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/36 "2017-03-19T12:46:59Z")
Not exactly the same thing, but here’s David Thorne writing on working with a clueless, manipulative salesman. [It’s like Twitter. Except we charge people to use it. Please design a logo for me. With piecharts. For free.](http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html) ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/37 "2017-03-19T18:14:21Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > Not exactly the same thing, but here’s David Thorne writing on working with a clueless, manipulative salesman. > [It’s like Twitter. Except we charge people to use it. Please design a logo for me. With piecharts. For free.](http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html) THANK YOU! I’d been thinking of “Pie charts for Simon” since I saw this thread, but didn’t know the site, or David’s last name. It does relate, as David adds into his estimate the price of inventing a time machine to go back to before anyone’d thought of Twitter… It was years ago, but I still recall (and love) “Missing Missy” (David being asked to design a Lost Cat poster), and his trying to pay a bill by drawing a 7-legged spider… doesn’t he fax it to his utility company? And then ask them to fax it back, as he’d faxed his only copy of his drawing… and they do? ---
**Author:** ![Debillw3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@Debillw3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debillw3)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/38 "2017-03-19T20:16:14Z")
Just so everyone’s aware, Thorne’s stuff is generally fiction with minimal (if any) basis in reality. It’s funny, but not necessarily true. > [@digs](#): > > It was years ago, but I still recall (and love) “Missing Missy” (David being asked to design a Lost Cat poster), and his trying to pay a bill by drawing a 7-legged spider… doesn’t he fax it to his utility company? And then ask them to fax it back, as he’d faxed his only copy of his drawing… and they do? It was email, but yes. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/39 "2017-03-19T21:55:46Z")
> [@Debillw3](#): > > Just so everyone’s aware, Thorne’s stuff is generally fiction with minimal (if any) basis in reality. > > It’s funny, but not necessarily true. > > It was email, but yes. Thanks. Read it back when it was posted (a decade or so?)… “Email this back to me” was actually something someone here once dealt with from a 60+ computer-newbie parent. By the way, I occasionally google the guy who stiffed me for design/graphics for his _Awwwwesome Idea!_… he’s since gone into the “nuisance lawsuit” business. Like searching newspaper articles on furniture design, then looking up a painting in the background of a photo of a unique dining room table. Annnd… suing the newspaper for “ripping off” the artist who painted the piece (which was often barely visible). He’s been ejected from the courtroom four times, as have his cases. Oh, then he refuses to pay legal/court costs. I guess that’s his next _awwwwwesome idea_… at least there’s no character design/animation involved this time. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-startup-idea-is-stupid-and-i-cant-implement-it-for-you/782489/40 "2017-03-19T23:14:48Z")
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