# Your toothless, 61-times pregnant sister-momma slurps it from Army boots, orcenio
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [February 19, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616 "2010-02-19T13:04:35Z")
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### Author:  [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/81 "2010-02-20T20:27:14Z")
Wow again. That was probably the longest and certainly the most pathetic post I have read on this message board. It is full of incorrect assumptions about posters here, but one part really struck me.
So I’m going to do exactly what you requested that we not do, in the first two sentences of your ridiculous post. I’m going to reply to one part of your post. I will be amazed if anyone does anything else.
[QUOTE=ambushed]
In any event, long before anyone could possibly have read through and fully comprehended the full history of the nature and specific content of the dispute in the EP thread generally, and the reason I was so irked by orcenio’s arrogance specifically, some fellow hillbillies who simply didn’t get the joke foolishly rushed to arrogant infant orcenio’s defense and spared no effort to gang-rape me repeatedly.
[/QUOTE]
Did it occur to you that some of us who posted quickly to your poorly written OP had been reading the related thread from the start? Try to let it occur to you now. My response was in no way a defense of **orcenio** , it was a statement that you appeared to be an over-reacting idiot. Your subsequent posts haven’t changed that assessment. I don’t recall much, if any, defense of **orcenio**. It seems to me that everyone who responded to your OP expressed opinions about your poor writing, over-reaction, hilariously unjustified arrogance, and so on. The responses you got were responses to you and what you wrote.
I don’t think that this latest effort on your part is going to help. I read the whole thing, and others may, but probably not many. Your writing style is terrible, painful to read, and there is so little reward for the effort.
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### Author:  [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/82 "2010-02-20T21:02:09Z")
So, like, what is it that you want, exactly?
You clearly don’t mean to sway **Orcenio**. I mean you called him an infantile, hillbilly like how many times now? You slagged his mother, his education, even his ancestry. (61 times pregant? What are you in fifth grade?) So you don’t seem to be wanting any real dialogue with him.
You pretty much slagged anyone who chooses to see it other than as you do, repeatedly and offensively.
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> hand-hold and spoon feed the whole thing to each uncritically-thinking critic.
Counting us as torch bearers, and pit dwelling, nefarious, vultures waiting to descend on your well reasoned points.
You attack him for arrogance while displaying truly weapons grade arrogance and freaking faux French.
I am truly mystified as to what it is you were hoping to accomplish. How will it benefit you to sway even one of us pitizens after so thoroughly insulting and slagging us? Where is the victory?
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/83 "2010-02-20T21:12:58Z")
Ambushed, you’re making a mistake in assuming you’re smarter than everyone else here.
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### Author:  [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/84 "2010-02-20T21:17:31Z")
**Crotalus** , **orcenio** , **ambushed** …I have to keep checking to make sure this isn’t an old thread, and that I didn’t stumble upon some bizarro-SDMB. It’s like that dream I had where I went to work but had a different boss, different coworkers, and some other guy’s stuff all over my desk. _Who are you people?_
> [@statsman1982](#):
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> It sounds like you need to, literally, get off the cross.
“Figuratively”
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### Author:  [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/85 "2010-02-20T21:18:38Z")
> [@brownie55](#):
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> And, fifth, if you are going to insult somebody about their 5th grade education, for the love of English man, it’s not **5’th.**
Nor should there be an apostrophe in"one\*\*'\*\*s". [Link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12137561&postcount=30)
Normally I wouldn’t say anything, but, given that you’re taking such great pains to appear articulate and learned here, fundamental errors in punctuation such as these really stand out.
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### Author:  [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/86 "2010-02-20T21:19:00Z")
> [@Ogre](#):
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> Ogre smash!
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> 😉
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> **ambushed** , good lord, son. You’re not the only one around who went to college. I’ll bet you don’t even have the most advanced degree.
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> Oh, and by the way, I’m a molecular biologist, and I still answer questions using the Scientific Method. I apologize for not being hip enough to realize that my methods are quaint and passe. I guess I’m too busy trying to answer questions about nature.
I’m sorry, I only have a masters’ degree, and I got it in South Carolina to boot. You’ll have to use smaller words, and no fancy French ones.
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### Author:  [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/87 "2010-02-20T21:37:19Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#):
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> **Crotalus** , **orcenio** , **ambushed** …I have to keep checking to make sure this isn’t an old thread, and that I didn’t stumble upon some bizarro-SDMB. It’s like that dream I had where I went to work but had a different boss, different coworkers, and some other guy’s stuff all over my desk. _Who are you people?_
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> “Figuratively”
[Scruffy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scruffy,_the_Janitor#Scruffy)’s never seen you before either…
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### Author:  [@statsman1982](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/statsman1982)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/88 "2010-02-20T21:47:30Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#):
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> **Crotalus** , **orcenio** , **ambushed** …I have to keep checking to make sure this isn’t an old thread, and that I didn’t stumble upon some bizarro-SDMB. It’s like that dream I had where I went to work but had a different boss, different coworkers, and some other guy’s stuff all over my desk. _Who are you people?_
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> “Figuratively”
Well, I actually did mean “literally,” because when I saw \*\*ambushed \*\*comparing himself to Jesus back there, I really thought he was about to sacrifice himself for all the intellectuals out there.😛
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### Author:  [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/89 "2010-02-20T21:47:46Z")
> [@ambushed](#):
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> It’s probably pointless, but I’ll ask anyway: If you wish to respond usefully to this, please don’t just select a portion of what I write here and prop it up as a strawman to maul with your doubtless brilliant, blistering attacks, okay? Respond in reasonable detail to the whole message after taking the time to carefully read and comprehend it fully first.
Step 1: put down shovel.
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### Author:  [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/90 "2010-02-20T21:49:49Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#):
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> **Crotalus** , **orcenio** , **ambushed** …I have to keep checking to make sure this isn’t an old thread, and that I didn’t stumble upon some bizarro-SDMB. It’s like that dream I had where I went to work but had a different boss, different coworkers, and some other guy’s stuff all over my desk. _Who are you people?_
>
> “Figuratively”
I’m just your garden-variety hillbilly, and a COBOL-spewing pusshead, to boot. I’ve been posting here for five years; I’m hurt that you haven’t noticed me before. Maybe I should use bigger words.
Absquatulate!
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### Author:  [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/91 "2010-02-20T21:58:35Z")
Jesus fucking christ, **ambushed** , why do you hate the English language so much? Words are for communication, not killing from boredom. More words =/= smarter. I have no idea what you’re trying to say because you’re so goddamn boring that whenever I try to read your posts my eyes glaze over.
Here are some hints, since you’re obviously in such need of help:
- Get to your point quickly.
- Don’t pad your writing with unnecessary bullshit.
- Dropping in random French words makes you look pretentious. (That’s a bad thing.)
Not that I probably qualify as an intelligent person in your book, seeing as my masters degree is only 3/4 complete.
In closing, I don’t even care what the fuck **orsenio** was talking about. Nothing he’s done could possibly be as annoying as that TLDR pile of shit you posted above.
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/92 "2010-02-20T22:32:00Z")
For someone who used the word “butthurt” in the first sentence of the OP, maybe writing a 2,820 word plea for understanding wasn’t the way to go.
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### Author:  [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/93 "2010-02-20T23:09:19Z")
> [@Munch](#):
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> For someone who used the word “butthurt” in the first sentence of the OP, maybe writing a 2,820 word plea for understanding wasn’t the way to go.
You are correct, he should have gone straight to the knife fight.
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### Author:  [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/94 "2010-02-20T23:40:02Z")
I am truly baffled by someone saying this:
> [@](#):
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> Get in some good one’s on me, okay? Can’t wait!
and then following up with this:
> [@](#):
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> reasons why my OP engendered such an unjustly vicious pile-on
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2010, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/95 "2010-02-21T00:02:15Z")
No, what’s truly baffling is that this comment:
> [@ambushed](#):
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> Did you see my early responses asking for my critics to explain to me why they thought I was so off-base? That was all entirely genuine. I was truly quite puzzled! I couldn’t make sense of such hateful insults and abuse, given the full context.
Is referring to these “hateful insults”:
> [@Gyrate](#):
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> Poser.
> [@Crotalus](#):
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> Wow! What an incredible over-reaction. **ambushed** , you’re looking like an idiot here.
> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> Actually, ambushed, I think you’re the one coming off worse in this exchange.
I’ve seen leperous onions with thicker skin.
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### Author:  [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2010, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/96 "2010-02-21T03:40:01Z")
I’m not certain if anyone has said it yet, but this is a lame pitting…above all else…we have to give it that at least…
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/97 "2010-02-21T05:56:02Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#):
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> TLDR
THis.
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### Author:  [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2010, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/98 "2010-02-21T10:02:08Z")
> [@ambushed](#):
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> It’s probably pointless, but I’ll ask anyway: If you wish to respond usefully to this, please don’t just select a portion of what I write here and prop it up as a strawman to maul with your doubtless brilliant, blistering attacks, okay? Respond in reasonable detail to the whole message after taking the time to carefully read and comprehend it fully first. Thank you.
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> I doubt the frothing hatred for me has diminished much, so this may well just be more fuel for your torches, but it has finally occurred to me the main reasons why my OP engendered such an unjustly vicious pile-on: I forgot that, because this is such a highly populated board, there will inevitably be an extremely wide range of both willingness of the readers to think my points through as well as a wide range of sufficient capacity to do so. Especially if a given poster (such as myself) doesn’t hand-hold and spoon feed the whole thing to each uncritically-thinking critic.
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> Did you see my early responses asking for my critics to explain to me why they thought I was so off-base? That was all entirely genuine. I was truly quite puzzled! I couldn’t make sense of such hateful insults and abuse, given the full context. (Though I started to get a hint of what was going on when after I politely asked one critic to explain his hateful attack, he replied by noting: “I don’t owe you an explanation!”, as if I’d _demanded_ one instead of simply _asked_ for one. That told me quite clearly that I wasn’t dealing with a rational criticism but rather just knee-jerk vitriol).
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> I had also lost track of the fact that the Pit is visited mostly by people whose primarily goal is to have fun pitting back at the pitters. That was a very big mistake on my part. Some people are there merely to defend their own partisans or to stick up for what they see as _their_ type of folk (say, for example, simple folk) against _other_ type of folk (such as, for example, “smarty-pants elites”). Tribal warfare, as usual…
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> My biggest error lay in choosing not to waste storage space by including more and much larger sections of the history of the debate between myself and **orcenio** and just putting in links, instead. That was quite stupid of me. I didn’t think I needed to spoon feed the Pit readers the history of the debate and why I posted that Pit OP in the first place. But I assumed far too much concerning the cognitive and interest levels of the average Pit denizen. Very dumb on my part to have forgotten that the Pit is about pure derision rather than “GD that permits insults”.
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> But even though I now recall that this is _not_ really “GD that permits insults”, I need to try that approach again here anyway because this is where I’m getting reamed. So let me lay it all out now, in chronological order: _Why I was annoyed and why I submitted this thread’s OP_.
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> **The short version** (believe it or not):
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> (1): We were having a mostly adult discussion regarding the scientific merits of the young science of evolutionary psychology in GD. A few hopelessly uninformed and naïve children were kicking the backs of our seats, but there was a useful core discussion taking place.
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> (2): A particularly stupid yet simultaneously arrogant little tyke named **orcenio** popped in, declared he had not the tiniest little clue as to the subject matter but nevertheless imagined that we were even stupider than he was, and so he puffed up his cute little baby’s chest and “informed” us that if a scientific endeavor didn’t follow his rather slow 5’th grader’s EE-ZEE cookbook of “THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD” – which he was far too stupid to even relate adequately in the first place (witness his continued infantile references to “proof” and “direct” observation, as if people who used scanning tunneling microscopes or even just eyeglasses were metaphysicists) – it just wasn’t “science”.
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> (3): I didn’t have time for a lengthier reply there, so I issued a short remark that working science was a far more complex and sophisticated business than the 5’th grade “SCIENTIFIC METHOD” and that the 5’th grade view being put forward resulted from a dogmatic and infantile belief that science = “THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD” that comes from truly terrible primary and secondary school dumbed-down-for-Texas textbooks and that science simply isn’t so juvenile.
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> (4): Some weeks later, when I finally had a bit of time to spend here, I saw that **orcenio** has mocked, taunted, and personally insulted me because he considers me so stupid that I could only have been a dumb ol’ “philosophy major” (clearly not realizing that was a compliment rather than the devastating insult he thought it to be).
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> (5): I was slightly disappointed that the GD mods let his mockery and personal insults go by without even a single comment, so I replied to **orcenio** as he did to me: with mockery and insults at his infantile pedagogy. At the end of that post, I noted to any mods that I was well aware that I broke the rules and that the GD mods didn’t need to tell me that. I knew it perfectly well. I didn’t imagine for even a millisecond that that would excuse my behavior or mitigate my rule-breaking even the tiniest bit; in fact, I felt my acknowledgment made it a bit _worse_ in that I admitted I knew the rules but broke them anyway. Yet a GD mod lectured me several times very condescendingly that the only reason I could _possibly_ have for adding that note was to evade responsibility! Sheesh! It’s like I’m writing or thinking in some highly abstract and incomprehensible language that people just can’t follow.
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> (6): Ignorant little hillbilly-pedant **orcenio** piles on yet more personal insults and mockery, but, again, nothing from the GD mods until very many hours after I complain.
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> (7): I wanted to thrash the stupid little twit for his _ **new** _ condescending insults and mockery, but I knew I couldn’t do it in GD. So I did it in The Pit, instead. I employed faux-sophisticate (_poseur_) pseudo-French language _ **deliberately** _ as part of my sarcastic reply to **orcenio** to contrast his ridiculously elevated view of himself as a “brilliant, witty intellectual” with _my_ view of him, which is of an ignorant hillbilly too stupid to know how stupid he actually is.
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> (8): Clueless, hateful spittle comes shooting **immediately** from attackers far too quickly for them to have carefully read and comprehended the complex nature of the beef I had with **orcenio**. It was premature, childish, knee-jerk emotional self-defense of one of their own (a fellow dummy) versus someone who had seemingly used – to their black and white, one-dimensional, never woke-up yesterday eyes – pretentiously sophisticated language (as opposed to _faux_-sophisticated _poseur_ pseudo-French language) to chide an “average Joe” like themselves, and they weren’t going to stand for it! They were going to make what they viewed as an “elitist” pay for his arrogant snootiness, dammit! (not realizing to the tiniest degree that the “snootiness” I employed was _sarcasm_, the supercilious simpletons!)
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> (9): Here we are now.
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> * * *
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> **Filling in some details missing from “the short version”:**
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> In the OP of the evolutionary psychology thread, the OP was vexed about why evolutionary psychology was so routinely insulted and debased by some people who considered EP to not be scientific. In this, he/she was entirely correct: Most people – largely made up of very ignorant people from po-mo constructivists to cretinous high-school yahoos like **orcenio** – are so blinded by the ignorant K-6 textbook definition of “THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD” that they hold that anything that does not conform to that infantile “METHOD” simply cannot be considered science at all.
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> This kind of simultaneously extremely arrogant -and- stupidly ignorant attitude is seriously damaging this country (the U.S., and others in the West to a lesser extent). That kind of attitude and thinking represents some of the worst symptoms of the rapid decline in respect for careful, informed thinking and the rapid rise in respect for “the average Joe” (e.g., The Plumber) who is only comfortable with other folks who are either also poorly informed and gullible or who _pretend_ to be to “fit in”. That’s the kind of thing I was getting at with the “move over Dorothy Parker and make way for Larry the Cable Guy” references. It’s the kind of thing we saw in the 2000 presidential election when the “average Joe” preferred George W. Bush, another “average Joe” they wanted to “have a beer with”, rather than that “smarty pants liar know-it-all” Al Gore. Or, recently in Massachusetts, people much preferred the guy whose ads and speeches emphasized the fact that he drove a truck over the woman who didn’t know which team Curt Schilling rooted for.
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> **Sheesh!**
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> But that’s _exactly_ the frighteningly low and rapidly descending level of intellectuality we were so vividly and accurately warned we’d keep seeing more of back in 1963 by Richard Hofstadter in his incredibly important but mocked anyway classic: [_Anti-Intellectualism in American Life_](http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Intellectualism-American-Life-Richard-Hofstadter/dp/0394703170/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266661767&sr=8-1). That cry of “_ **look the fuck out for ever-growing love and admiration of stupidity, Americans!** _” has been taken up again more recently in books like [_The Age of American Unreason_](http://www.amazon.com/Age-American-Unreason-Vintage/dp/1400096383/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266661767&sr=8-2), [_The Anti-Intellectual Presidency: The Decline of Presidential Rhetoric from George Washington to George W. Bush_](http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Intellectual-Presidency-Presidential-Rhetoric-Washington/dp/019534264X/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266661767&sr=8-7), [_Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free_](http://www.amazon.com/Idiot-America-Stupidity-Became-Virtue/dp/0767926145/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266661767&sr=8-4), and others.
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> Consider how far America has fallen since the U.S. presidential election of 1800 between the president of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences (John Adams) and the president of the American Philosophical Society (Thomas Jefferson), and despair.
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> So, returning to my chronology, the EP thread included some genuinely thoughtful criticism of EP from posters like **Darwin’s Finch** , **Malthus** , myself and others, along with some genuinely thoughtful defenses of EP as legitimate science by that thread’s original poster, **Der Tris** , myself, and others. And the fact that I contributed posts on what people like the counter-pitters here and stupid pseudo-pedant **orcenio** would consider “both sides” is just what we should expect in a discussion of such a young science: Neither total attack nor total defense. It’s called “nuance”, but far too few Americans seem to appreciate that approach. Things are either black or they’re white; “THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD” or “not a science at all”.
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> **Orcenio** was a supremely **arrogant** and simultaneously very stupid and childish cretinous yahoo bragging about his 5’th grade “expertise” IN SCIENCE and assuming he was so much more evolved and sophisticated than stupid ol’ **Der Tris** and **ambushed** , etc. So he deigned to “teach” us his 5’th grade textbook’s SCIENTIFIC METHOD in order to argue that evolutionary psychology wasn’t SCIENCE because it didn’t follow his arrogantly infantile SCIENTIFIC METHOD, Q.E.D. (though I strongly doubt he has any idea what those initials refer to, nor why it and words like “proof” and “prove” are so out of place in the scientific domain).
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> You gotta admit, **orcenio** ’s “advanced” lessons in THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD was quite hilarious in it’s vapidity! Boy howdy, was it dumb! He clearly hadn’t even reached an average 5’th grader’s understanding, as demonstrated by the fact that he didn’t even get _that_ infantile version correct!
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> But when I calmly observed that working science was vastly more abstract and abstruse and tentative and looser and more flexible and mature than such a sophomoric view, he stupidly mocked and insulted _me_ as if **I** was the stupid one!
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> That irked me, so my next reply (which came weeks later because I had been far too busy until then) adopted a style that quite appropriately portrayed him as an ignorant hillbilly child who needed a least a _little_ more education on the philosophy of science and how science isn’t about following a sacrosanct kitchen recipe known as THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD but an extremely diverse, wildly divergent, and essentially _artistic_ intellectual endeavor requiring high levels of creative imagination and synthesis.
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> In that mod-warning-deserving reply to little boy **orcenio** , I cited my own definition of science, to wit:
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> The most important aspects of that definition are (in order of their appearance):
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> (1): Science isn’t a pre-defined central cookbook of approved, official practices known as THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD. It can be _any_ set of heuristic approaches, methods, and techniques, as long as they are…
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> (2): … empirical in the epistemological sense (as opposed to the crude “trial and error”-related meaning of that word)…
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> (3): … are implemented such that they strive to limit self-deception as much as the subject area and circumstances allows (i.e., double-blind experiments are superior to less stringent experimental protocols because they are better at limiting self-deception), but…
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> (4): … science cannot possibly lead to some kind of metaphysical, capital-T “Truth”; it can **only** allow us to **reduce the errors in our knowledge of the world** ; although it _can_ thus bring us arbitrarily close to truth (though we can obviously never know we Know it). Science as I’ve described it is by far the best universe-investigating system humanity has ever devised and developed, but the extreme logical-positivistic sub-components of the views espoused by the Vienna Circle that held that science **could** lead to capital-T “Truth” have long since been completely refuted and confounded (by those stupid ol’ **orcenio** -hated philosophers of science).
> But did you see how **orcenio** replied to my definition? Hilarious! To me, there are few people more deeply annoying and dangerous than **completely wrong self-imagined pedantic “experts”**. At least real pedants are typically correct!
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> However, **orcenio** ’s hilarious hillbilly infantility provided a good opportunity to address the somewhat more cautious – but still regrettably severely under-informed – posters who denied that evolutionary psychology could possibly be scientific, such as **DanBlather** , **Chum** , **Nametag** and **BigT** (none of which belong in the group of **far** more thoughtful EP critics such as **Darwin’s Finch** and others). That’s the thing about message boards: A poster who doesn’t understand that she or he is writing for a larger audience than just the poster they’re responding to doesn’t grasp the real reason message board posts are more productive than private email and the like.
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> So I referenced the extremely valuable work of [Alistair B. Fraser](http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/BadScience.html) and [William J. Beaty](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Beaty) (I can’t figure out what’s going on with his sites’ extremely poor availability; they seem to be up for a few minutes every few days and that’s all). They and several others have expressed great alarm for years at the childish errors, misconceptions, and extreme dumbing-down of primary and secondary school science textbooks due to the fact that one of the most ignorant and science-hating state education boards – that of Texas – effectively forces textbook publishers to continually reduce the level of sophistication, intelligence, and accuracy in their books, year after year. That’s precisely what’s at the root of **orcenio** ’s and others’ babyish scientific illiteracy, resulting in that too-stupid-to-breathe-regularly vapidity about THE HOLY SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
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> So when **orcenio** personally attacked and mocked me _ **again** _, demonstrating that he was even _ **more** _ arrogantly cocksure in his hillbilly ignorance, I knew I couldn’t school him as sharply as I felt he deserved in GD (having been justly, if redundantly, warned against doing so). So I did so in The BBQ Pit.
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> In my OP here, I employed faux-sophisticate _poseur_ pseudo-French language _ **deliberately** _ as part of my sarcastic reply in order to better contrast his ridiculously elevated view of _himself_ as a “supremely gifted intellectual” with _my_ view of him, which is of an ignorant hillbilly who is far too stupid to know how stupid he actually is.
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> I wrote above about the nature of message boards. One drawback is that however much you’d like to discuss a topic with informed and thoughtful fellow participants, there’s no keeping idiots out of there. As **orcenio** so clearly demonstrated.
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> In any event, long before anyone could _possibly_ have read through and fully comprehended the full history of the nature and specific content of the dispute in the EP thread _generally_, and the reason I was so irked by **orcenio** ’s arrogance _specifically_, some fellow hillbillies who simply didn’t get the joke foolishly rushed to arrogant infant **orcenio** ’s defense and spared no effort to gang-rape me repeatedly.
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> But, like male mallard ducks who see that a victim has already been raped by the other guys, I guess there’s no way for you folks to stop yourselves. Mindless instinct takes over, and satiation still hasn’t been achieved.
> Don’t let _me_ stop you…
>
> One last thing: **Your toothless, 61-times pregnant sister-momma slurps it from Army boots, orcenio!**
No u.
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### Author:  [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2010, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/99 "2010-02-21T10:33:47Z")
Hey! **ambushed** …
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Fuck you. You wordy little bitch.
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### Author:  [@ajb867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ajb867)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/your-toothless-61-times-pregnant-sister-momma-slurps-it-from-army-boots-orcenio/529616/100 "2010-02-21T13:07:28Z")
I do this out of mercy Ambushed.
_ **Turns light off** _
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