# You're all sinners, the lot of you! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 1, 2000, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571 "2000-12-01T14:08:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/61 "2000-12-03T16:16:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jenkinsfan \* > **Um, I come here defending one guy who is being taunted and jeered by scores of others: Who is forcing morals on who?** We’re here. We’ve been here for a while. So when someone comes along and disagrees with moderating styles and the kind of questions Cecil answers and what we look at online and what we should be allowed to see, yeah. Some of us are going to get a little more than pissed. Some of su are also going to think to ourselves "here we go again . . . " We’re teasing him because, among other things, we think he’s a bit silly. > [@](#): > > I just wish your “different strokes for different folks” philosophy carried over into posts on the Pit. If it did, then Righteous wouldn’t be the subject of ridicule for his different stroke. If he’s going to try to get the SDMB to assume his moral and religious beliefs, then damn straight we’re going to react. He can do whatever he likes by himself, so long as he’s not hurting anyone, IMO. But when he tries to say “you shouldn’t be able to look at medical stuff online; that should onyl be for people in the medical profession” you’re darn tooting he’s going to get some strong reactions to that. > [@](#): > > IIRC, you said you were a Chirstian. So, let me point you to Luke 24:47-48, "And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalm. And ye are witnesses of these things. You can quote the Bible all you like . . . you’re quoting one line out of context. The Bible also tells us that in certain circumstances we’re to stone people. Do you hold to that as well? The whole line, with a bit more context, is “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you; but stay in the city, until you are clothed with power from on high.” IMO these lines mean, basically, be a living testimony to God. Part of that means not judging people. I don’t see, in that passage, “Tell other people what to do. Nevermind if you’ve only been there a few days.” I have absolutely no problem with, for example, **Polycarp** saying “Might it be better to do X thing?” because he’s been here a while and knows his stuff, biblically and otherwise. What I do have a problem with is someone coming along and telling us how we should run things. I see a bit of vanity and a lack of respect in that. I don’t know why I’m getting into an argument about the Bible . . . the rules of the SDMB stand. No rules were broken when Cecil posted his column. Rules were broken when Righteous posted in COCC and tried to debate. I believe he did that twice. Now he’s posted in ATMB and it’s created a debate, which is not what ATMB is for. If he had simply read the rules he’d be all set. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/62 "2000-12-03T16:16:53Z")
Jenkinsfan, I think you do not understand the reason for the Pit. It is here so that posters _can_ mock, insult and otherwise rip to shreds things, posts and posters. Satire has always been an acceptable way to voice opposition to a viewpoint, person or idea. IMO, this thread is the least _personally_ insulting to Righteous than the other Pit thread and even the one in ATMB. It was mocking his proselytizing. And was doing it in a damn funny way, too. ---
**Author:** ![jenkinsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cc9497/32.png) [@jenkinsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jenkinsfan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/63 "2000-12-03T16:36:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Biggirl \* > Jenkinsfan, I think you do not understand the reason for the Pit. It is here so that posters _can_ mock, insult and otherwise rip to shreds things, posts and posters. Satire has always been an acceptable way to voice opposition to a viewpoint, person or idea. Well, at least you’re not taking it upon yourself to pretend this is an open-minded thing to do. > [@](#): > > IMO, this thread is the least _personally_ insulting to Righteous than the other Pit thread and even the one in ATMB. It was mocking his proselytizing. And was doing it in a \*\*\*\* funny way, too. His “proselytizing” happens to be his lifestyle. I expected it would be respected here. I’ve heard several jokes mocking the homosexual lifestyle but I never condoned them just because they were funny. My logic is consistent with my lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/64 "2000-12-03T16:48:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jenkinsfan \* > \*\*And was doing it in a \*\*\*\* funny way, too. Just a note, jenkinsfan. Whether or not you like wording used by another doper, you don’t exactly have the right to misquote them. If I were going to quote someone who used what I consider offensive language I’d be \*\*\*\*ed sure I got it in there. It’s sort of . . . not proper etiquette to misquote someone. ---
**Author:** ![jenkinsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cc9497/32.png) [@jenkinsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jenkinsfan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/65 "2000-12-03T17:15:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > > Just a note, jenkinsfan. Whether or not you like wording used by another doper, you don’t exactly have the right to misquote them. If I were going to quote someone who used what I consider offensive language I’d be \*\*\*\*ed sure I got it in there. It’s sort of . . . not proper etiquette to misquote someone. I appreciate the advice, iampunha. But first you will have to prove to me why it’s not proper, who made this age old rule, what the consequences are of ignoring this, and also explain the silly superstitions behind this commonly excepted theory. You see, I’m interested in using consistent logic. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/66 "2000-12-03T17:24:41Z")
imapunha, I don’t mind his censoring of my post. I understand if jenkinsfan did not want to use the offending term in his (or her) post. At least it wasn’t taken out ot context. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jenkinsfan \* > His “proselytizing” happens to be his lifestyle. I expected it would be respected here. I’ve heard several jokes mocking the homosexual lifestyle but I never condoned them just because they were funny. My logic is consistent with my lifestyle. Not **here** , in the Pit. This forum was created to keep this sort of thing out of the other fora. If your lifestyle consists of trying to foster your ideas onto people who do not agree with you, then prepare to be mocked. That said, I feel a little sorry for Righteous. I do not agree with him, but I know Dopers can be hard on a person with a different viewpoint than the rest of us and he has been getting absolutely battered. Keep fighting the good fight Righteous! ---
**Author:** ![porcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@porcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/porcupine)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/67 "2000-12-03T17:26:30Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by jenkinsfan \* > His “proselytizing” happens to be his lifestyle. I expected it would be respected here._\* I find proselytizing of any type (religous or otherwise) to be rude, presumptious, and offensive. Discussion is fine, but I find discussion with the intent of converting someone for his or her “own good” to be insulting. Anyone who comes here with the purpose of “converting” people is by definition not respectful of other’s beliefs, so why should his or her proselytizing be respected? ---
**Author:** ![porcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@porcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/porcupine)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/68 "2000-12-03T17:30:12Z")
I can spell. I can spell. I can spell. (relig **i** ous or otherwise) to be rude, presumpt **u** ous, and offensive. ---
**Author:** ![jenkinsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cc9497/32.png) [@jenkinsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jenkinsfan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/69 "2000-12-03T17:31:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by porcupine \* > > I find proselytizing of any type (religous or otherwise) to be rude, presumptious, and offensive. Discussion is fine, but I find discussion with the intent of converting someone for his or her “own good” to be insulting. Anyone who comes here with the purpose of “converting” people is by definition not respectful of other’s beliefs, so why should his or her proselytizing be respected? Because he’s a human being. Besides, it’s not consistent with open-minded logic dedicated to fighting ignorance to not respectfully show someone the errors of his/her way. But I’m tired of discussing this. My point has been made that it’s Ok to pick on religious folks and still be open-minded. :rolleyes: Justify it however you want. ---
**Author:** ![porcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@porcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/porcupine)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/70 "2000-12-03T17:37:40Z")
**jenkinsfan** So according to you it’s ok for the proselytizer to be disrespectful of others (by virtue of the fact the he or she is trying to convert others), but it’s not ok for the people who are the target of the conversion to be disrespectful of the conversion attempt? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/71 "2000-12-03T17:39:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jenkinsfan \* > \*\*I appreciate the advice, iampunha. But first you will have to prove to me why it’s not proper, who made this age old rule, what the consequences are of ignoring this, and also explain the silly superstitions behind this commonly excepted theory. You see, I’m interested in using consistent logic. \*\* I’ll do my best to fill you in. I think it leads to more misinterpretion of the actual post being quoted. Anyone who saw your quote before s/he read the actual post from which the quote was taken sees a different sentence. It’s not proper because technically that’s not what was said. You see “damn” and replace it with “\*\*\*\*”. Technically you’re misquoting, and I think the rules about that probably predate the internet by a pretty hefty margin, though I have no cite to back that up. [nitpick]You probably want accepted theory, not excepted theory, unless I’m reading your meaning wrong. I don’t think it is a silly superstition but common courtesy. I wouldn’t, if I quoted you, say “G-d” in place of God if I were Jewish. That would be misrepresenting you. End of almost pointless hijack:) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ccd318/32.png) [@John\_Kentzel-Griffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Kentzel-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/72 "2000-12-03T17:51:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by \*\*\*Captain Amazing \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by \*\*\*Righteous \*\* > > and anyway as Jesus Christ said “love the sinner but hate the sin”. > > I don’t think Jesus said that. I could be wrong, though…do you have a cite? I too would be interisted to see where Jesus said this. I just assumed the phrase was made up by selfrightous homophobes to try to make their hatred look (to themselves) like love. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by_\*\* Righteous \*\* > mebuckner i looked up the passage in your bible verse and the verse is referring to the impure desires of a woman who was a grievous sinner so i rather think you are proving my point. That may be the context, but why the gratitutous references to her partners’ endowment? Pornography is pornography. Please don’t say because it refers to a wicked woman that makes it somehow OK. A lot of women in pornography are wicked. > [@](#): > > this is the reason why congress is going to pass laws to make sure pornography does not get on the internet. Have you read Song of Solomon? Are you aware that this filth has already found its way to the internet? Will congress ban Bible sites too? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/73 "2000-12-03T19:08:33Z")
Righteous, First of all, if no one has yet, welcome to the Straight Dope Message Board. It seems like everybody has gotten off on the wrong foot, and I hope people can get back on the right one, so to speak. The questions Cecil answers are really diverse…if you’ve browsed the archives, you can see that, and some of them do involve sexual matters, and, of course, it’s up to a parent to decide what’s appropriate for his or her kids to see, both online and off, and I’m sure there are some parents who have decided the Straight Dope isn’t appropriate for their kids. There was actually, some time ago, a thread discussing this very subject. I don’t have the thread in front of me, and maybe somebody could provide the link for me, but it’s a debateable question. That being said, it seems to me that, when talking about sexual matters, there are two ways to go about it. A person can talk about sex educationally, or he can talk about sex in an attempt to titilate. For example, a picture of a breast in a medical textbook is there for a different purpose than that same breast in Playboy. Cecil’s columns are there to inform, which is what he tried to do in the column you took offense to. I think the important thing we all should remember, is to give each other the benefit of the doubt. The moderators are trying to do their jobs, and those jobs are largely thankless. So, lets everybody take a breath and calm down. I’d still like the cite where Jesus says “Hate the sin and love the sinner” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/74 "2000-12-03T20:04:50Z")
Oh shit… looks like I may be the biggest sinner of all!! (my website, for those who aren’t clued) I’m in deep shit now! stoid ---
**Author:** ![Yue\_Han](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eada6e/32.png) [@Yue\_Han](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yue_Han)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/75 "2000-12-03T20:21:00Z")
Why isn’t anyone challenging this? > [@](#): > > If my point can be made without words then common sense is on my side. At least it gives this thread something legitimate to whine about. No one said your point could be made without words, AFAIK. I said you had used a made up word, and a very poor one at that, to make your point. You were making a point with words, but they were stupid words. The fact that you can’t think up an adjective meaning ‘to hate or fear christians’ does not mean common sense is on your side. And any one who gets aroused reading Cecil’s column about penile stretching could get aroused by anything; by that standard, all pictures of women would have to be stripped from the internet. –John –John ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/76 "2000-12-03T20:35:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Yue Han \* > \*\*Why isn’t anyone challenging this? > > > [@](#): > > > > If my point can be made without words then common sense is on my side. At least it gives this thread something legitimate to whine about. > > \*\* I challenged it, I believe on page one. I don’t believe I got a response. If someone’s point can be made without words it isn’t worth words, IMO. So don’t try to sneak a fake one past us. This is the SDMB; we exist to eradicate ignorance. Trying to make up words in a discussion about something serious (as this has become, I think) is not going to endear you to your fellow posters. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/77 "2000-12-03T22:15:20Z")
I’m not a Christian, so I’m don’t necessarily consider myself bound to follow Biblical precepts. Righteous, however, has been claiming to be a Christian, and a follower of Biblical morality. So, let’s see just how well he’s been doing. In [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=48667), Righteous claims that one of Cecil’s columns, about penis enlargement surgery, is “pornography”. Arnold Winkelreid responded with a couple of posts: the first a purely technical official-Moderator-style “Welcome to the SDMB, and thank you for posting your comment” message about how you should please include a link to Cecil’s column. In AW’s second post, he politely disagreed with Righteous’ characterization of Cecil’s column as “pornography”. I’ll reproduce AW’s entire second post from that thread: > [@](#): > > Righteous, I’m going to have to disagree with your point of view here. I think that an article discussing possible surgical procedures on the penis is not quite the same as pornography. The article may even prove useful to educate people about a possible medical problem (see october 2000 article _in re_ Peyronie’s disease). > > Looking at the big picture, it may seem sometimes that the internet is just a vast repository of porn. But there are many useful sites in this connected world of ours and in my many years of travelling I very rarely encounter a porn site. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater! One of the things that makes the internet so exciting is the wide variety of information one can find. > > As far as children are concerned, it is true that I have seen sites that I would not like to have any children of mine (supposing I had any) to visit. But that’s what parental guidance is for, and the problem can occur on a visit to your local library, bookstore or video store as well. Righteous, in reply, said (in part) “just because you have no moral foundation doesnt mean that you have the right to inflict your filth upon me and my fellow religious americans.” “A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.” – [Proverbs 15:1](http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=PROV+15:1&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on) Who is answering softly in this exchange, and who is using grievous words to stir up anger? Shortly thereafter, AW closed the thread, saying “I think that this thread is not really commenting on a Straight Dope column any more, but rather on a larger issue. A discussion such as this does not really belong in this forum.” AW is simply enforcing the perfectly sensible Rules of the Road here, which is what Moderators do to earn those coffee cups. Righteous opened [another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=48761) in the same forum. Again, AW closed it, as is his right, duty, and responsibility as a Moderator when he thinks that a thread has been opened in the wrong forum. Again, AW’s tone was perfecly polite and civil, and he tried to gently steer Righteous towards the appropriate forum on the SDMB for discussing the topics he wanted to discuss. Righteous responded by opening a [third thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=48871). In it, he says that “mr. winklereid seems to think pornography on the internet is a good idea”–which if you read what AW actually wrote, is at best a gross distortion. “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.” – [Exodus 20:16](http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=EXOD+20:16&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=off) Finally, Righteous seems to have had trouble grasping some fairly elementary facts about this message board, such as where to post what, and the exact nature of the Moderators and their relationship to The Straight Dope/The Chicago Reader. “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” – [Matthew 10:16](http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=MATT+10:16&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=off) In [1 Timothy 3:7](http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=1TIM+3:7&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on), Paul says of those who seek leadership that they must “give good report to those without”, or in other words that they “must have a good reputation with those outside the church”. While Righteous is not (one hopes) a deacon or an elder or a bishop, he has taken it upon himself to serve as something of an “apostle to the SDMB”, which I would think is enough of a leadership position that he would be well advised to heed that particular Scripture. Righteous has shown himself to be wrathful. He has borne false witness against others. He has been a fool, and a very public fool, and by his foolishness he has brought scandal and disgrace to the faith in the eyes of the unchurched and the unbelievers. Personally, as an atheist, that doesn’t bother me overmuch, but I’d think Christians would be more troubled by it. I don’t think Righteous is worth spending a whole lot of time on. However, I don’t think jenkinsfan is a complete idiot, or a troll, so perhaps it’s worth spending some time to try to explain matters to him. To him I would say that he ought to choose his battles more wisely. P.S. Based on the accepted Canon of the Word of Cecil, one can say that the mission of this message board is to eradicate ignorance, yes, but it is also clear that the mission is to eradicate ignorance _and to act as a wise-assed smart-aleck, not taking fools gladly_ while doing so. If you have a problem with this, you probably won’t be very happy with anything Cecilian. ---
**Author:** ![Jello](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@Jello](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jello)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2000, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/78 "2000-12-03T23:11:05Z")
Brotha Righteous would be disheartened to know that THIS is all on the internet as well, on the great [http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com](http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com) : > [@](#): > > 19:30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters. > 19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: > 19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. > 19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. > 19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. > 19:35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. > 19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. That’s from Genesis. And, of course, Deuteronomy 23:1 is another example of the Internet being used to pass on evil porn and _mentioning the penis_: > [@](#): > > He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. It’s really disgusting, and all of it should be immediately banned. The majority of the country thinks so, so it must be right. – Brotha Jello ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2000, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/79 "2000-12-04T16:18:05Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **jenkinsfan** _ > > His “proselytizing” happens to be his lifestyle. Beware “the Christian lifestyle!” They indoctrinate your children! They want everyone to be like them! Next thing you know, they’ll want equal rights! (Not meant against **jenkinsfan** personally, but I just can’t resist lines like this for a bad joke - sorry! ;)) Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2000, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571/80 "2000-12-04T16:23:37Z")
Damn good one, Esprix. It’s like they say-I’m for freedom of choice-as long as you agree with ME! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-all-sinners-the-lot-of-you/43571.md?page=5)