# You're being bullied? Really? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007 "2017-06-03T15:00:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/81 "2017-06-04T19:53:17Z")
There you go Steve. The post right above this one. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/82 "2017-06-04T19:56:21Z")
I don’t remember Snoop apologizing after fake shooting clown Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/83 "2017-06-04T19:59:36Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > I don’t remember Snoop apologizing after fake shooting clown Trump. That’s because if you ask Snoop for an apology, he damned well might shoot you. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/84 "2017-06-04T20:12:22Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/85 "2017-06-04T20:15:22Z")
the difference is that nobody is going to try to cut trump’s head off after seeing her photoshoot picture. Is anybody going to cut hers off after seeing that sign? Maybe, maybe not. We do, after all, live in a world where somebody was sufficiently stoked by allegations that a prominent politician was running a child sex slave ring out of a pizza joint that they went in prepared to shoot up the place. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/86 "2017-06-04T20:36:20Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > the difference is that **nobody is going to try to cut trump’s head off after seeing her photoshoot picture**. Is anybody going to cut hers off after seeing that sign? Maybe, maybe not. We do, after all, live in a world where somebody was sufficiently stoked by allegations that a prominent politician was running a child sex slave ring out of a pizza joint that they went in prepared to shoot up the place. Bolding mine. If everybody in this country is so trigger-happy right now, how do we know that? I find it unlikely, but surely not impossible, that someone would be inspired to go after Trump after seeing the shoot. Certainly, the photo shoot isn’t less absurd of a prompt than lies about a pizza joint. We don’t really know how crazies are going to react, do we? Determining that one thing is inherently more dangerous than the other seems like a lot of guesswork to me. I really wish I understood free speech laws better. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/87 "2017-06-04T21:18:11Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Bolding mine. If everybody in this country is so trigger-happy right now, how do we know that? I find it unlikely, but surely not impossible, that someone would be inspired to go after Trump after seeing the shoot. Certainly, the photo shoot isn’t less absurd of a prompt than lies about a pizza joint. We don’t really know how crazies are going to react, do we? Determining that one thing is inherently more dangerous than the other seems like a lot of guesswork to me. I really wish I understood free speech laws better. Just because someone is inspired to do violence by something you said (or did), doesn’t mean that you have incited violence. But when you tell someone: Bring me the head of so-and-so, you leave yourself open to that possibility. Griffin is safe, but the guy with the sign could be vulnerable. Most likely, though, he will just be told to take down his sign. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/88 "2017-06-04T21:36:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Just because someone is inspired to do violence by something you said (or did), doesn’t mean that you have incited violence. But when you tell someone: Bring me the head of so-and-so, you leave yourself open to that possibility. Griffin is safe, but the guy with the sign could be vulnerable. Most likely, though, he will just be told to take down his sign. Whether the owner of the sign is told to take it down or not, there hasn’t been any evidence or even sound argument on why either shouldn’t be allowed. Unless there’s other information out there saying otherwise. If there is I think it’s dumb and unconstitutional - both, and everything else, as bone-headed as it is, has to be allowed. The conversation starts after that, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/89 "2017-06-04T21:55:06Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Whether the owner of the sign is told to take it down or not, there hasn’t been any evidence or even sound argument on why either shouldn’t be allowed. Unless there’s other information out there saying otherwise. If there is I think it’s dumb and unconstitutional - both, and everything else, as bone-headed as it is, has to be allowed. > > The conversation starts after that, IMO. I don’t have a problem with the government outlawing solicitation to a contract killing. YMMV. But the SCOTUS uses the [Imminent Lawless Action Test](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action) to decide these cases. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/90 "2017-06-04T22:20:43Z")
> [@igor\_frankensteen](#): > > I looked dispassionately at what happened, and I saw this: > > a famous photographer, who has previously been PRAISED for doing violent images similar to this, talked Kathy into posing with the mask, as a part of a larger shoot. Much like people taking dares at a drunken party, Griffin went along with it, no doubt at the time, thinking of it as just another silly exaggerated stunt joke. Not the way it went down according to [the photographer.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/06/01/kathy-griffins-trump-stunt-is-hardly-surprising-just-look-at-her-history/) > [@](#): > > What shouldn’t surprise anyone, though, is Griffin’s enthusiasm to pull off this Trump stunt. > > According to the photographer who took the gruesome shot, Griffin said she was “not afraid to get political if you want or make a statement if you want.” > > “… This was her first thought, ‘Will you bail me out of jail?’” Tyler Shields, the photographer, told Entertainment Weekly before Griffin’s apology. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/91 "2017-06-04T22:41:14Z")
Well jeez Louise, the right wing goes to the opera and swoons over [the final scene from _Salome_](http://parterre.com/2015/05/21/hows-your-head/) and that’s “art”, but let another performer do a Strauss tribute with a Trump head, and they get all outraged and angst-y. This kerfuffle in a chamber pot probably will turn out to be a great career move for Kathy Griffin, even though it’s made her buddy Al Franken run for cover. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/92 "2017-06-05T01:17:44Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > But just as we can’t use ‘tu quoque’ arguments to excuse Kathy Griffin, we can’t use them to excuse the people threatening to kill her. But her own claim about being ‘bullied’ centered on (the) Trump(s), not on anonymous/nobodies making ‘death threats’ (usually a mixture in these cases of more or less plausible ‘death threats’, whether the person claiming to be the target of them is of the left or right tribe, in my observation). Your response was reasonable overall, but this point is basically a non-sequitur to whether it’s bizarre and ridiculous for Griffin to claim she’s been ‘bullied’ _by the Trumps_ (or by powerful old white men in general etc). ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/93 "2017-06-05T01:21:10Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > …and the same thing would have happened to a man so don’t even play that card. Except Ted Nugent has been invited to the White House even though he threatened President Obama’s life more than once. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/94 "2017-06-05T01:26:07Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No, it’s not. What’s rotten is people bringing children into it when they have absolutely no relevance to anything. Things exist that children aren’t ready for. That’s the real world. > > And, if Baron isn’t capable of understanding it, then he’s developmentally stunted. Seriously. He’s not some four year old who in the past would need to watch Mr. Rogers to learn the difference between real and make-believe. > > “THINK OF THE CHILDREN” is never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER a valid argument. Stop being a dishonest sack of human shit. That last line added real power to your argument, idiot. But seriously folks, ‘think of the children’ is correctly understood as a cheap appeal to emotion about children in general to make up for a lack of rational basis for a _policy_ argument. Saying particular kids shouldn’t have to see somewhat realistic images of their parents’ severed heads, or unkind ‘jokes’ made about them, the kids personally not the parent, isn’t ‘think of the children’. It’s ‘don’t be an asshole’. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/95 "2017-06-05T01:36:59Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Not a Kathy Griffin fan myself, and under ordinary circumstances I would agree the photo went too far. But since it’s Trump, I honestly could not care less. FUCK Trump and his entire family, right down to his little 10-year-old shit or whatever age the bastard is. They can all go to hell. I would not object to a bloodied head of Adolf Hitler or Eva Braun, so I don’t object to this. Wishing ill on children who have done nothing to deserve it is twisted. You need to see a professional to help heal the damaged person you are. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/96 "2017-06-05T01:57:28Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Could Kathy be sued for emotional damages as a result of what she did? Or is she legally protected from that? > > I suppose the sign guy could also argue that he was just being ‘‘humorous.’’ > > Man, what a clusterfuck. I guess I could go along with that. But just be aware there are some out there who are NOT joking. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/97 "2017-06-05T01:59:12Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > So troll = someone who could defend something like that. > > A BobLibDem like person who wishes what she did to Trump was true. > > Got it. You progressive you! > > How about you don’t. Answer it the way the poster intended it. Suck it up, snowflake. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/98 "2017-06-05T02:00:42Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > That’s because if you ask Snoop for an apology, he damned well might shoot you. He’s too stoned to hit anyone. We’re all safe 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/99 "2017-06-05T02:40:06Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > He’s too stoned to hit anyone. We’re all safe 😃 Yeah, but [Martha](http://www.vulture.com/2016/11/martha-stewart-snoop-dogg-a-friendship-history.html) will fuck you up. [QUOTE=Corry El] Your response was reasonable overall, but this point is basically a non-sequitur to whether it’s bizarre and ridiculous for Griffin to claim she’s been ‘bullied’ _by the Trumps_ (or by powerful old white men in general etc). [/QUOTE] I agree with this. I’m not sure what all Trump has been saying but I would expect him to be pissed and it makes no sense at all to me what _any_ of this has to do with her being a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007/100 "2017-06-05T06:07:49Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > But seriously folks, ‘think of the children’ is correctly understood as a cheap appeal to emotion about children in general to make up for a lack of rational basis for a _policy_ argument. I would think that the impact upon the children who would be affected by a policy IS a rational basis for argument about said policy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-being-bullied-really/788007.md?page=6)