# You're Wrong! You're All Wrong! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 28, 2000, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950 "2000-06-28T23:56:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/21 "2000-06-29T11:12:14Z")
**Friedo** said: > [@](#): > > I’m not as smart as I think I am. I’d say that about sums it up. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/22 "2000-06-29T14:51:40Z")
Excellent rant, Freaky. 8.5 for form, but I’m giving you an extra point for chutzpah and audacity. 9.5 BRAVO!! I disagree with you about republicans; I find them as a rule no less objectionable than democrats. Anyone who allows their opinions to be set by committee deserves every drop of vitriol that free thinkers can spew, but membership in a political party does not **necessarily** require shutting off your brain. That said, I hold a special store of disgust in my soul for people who allow ideology to overwhelm empathy. They are not only wrong, they are dangerous. Fanatacism, no matter the ideal behind the mask, has been responsible for more human suffering than any other cause I can think of at the moment. Oh, and in case it wasn’t clear, yes Friedo I am talking about you. If you actually believe that we shouldn’t help people in need just because “communists do it” then you are a sad, sad example of a human being. ---
**Author:** ![aenea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c68b51/32.png) [@aenea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aenea)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/23 "2000-06-29T15:29:08Z")
I like your rant, most of it, it’s got a good groove. BUT, hey bub! You are way outta line on the SUV thing. I drive a JEEP, the original SUV, and I suffer from no penile extension needs or delusions. If you don’t like the fact that you can’t see around my truck too bad. My vehicle will go anywhere I point it at, and I will survive almost any normal collision. So get your little tin can outta my freakin way. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/24 "2000-06-29T15:32:40Z")
'Ol Freaky sez: > [@](#): > > All the republicans I’ve seen are either stupid, misinformed, selfish, or all of the above while freido drools forth with: > [@](#): > > welfare recipients are lazy motherfuckers who are too stupid/high/stoned/drunk to get a job. And then Freaky gets mad at friedo’s generalization! > [@](#): > > I swear, if I had a penny for every time some ignorant asshole said this to me… Now, Freaky threw in the “I’ve seen” qualifier, but still, stupid stereotypes are stupid stereotypes. Yes, SOME republicans are stupid, misinformed and greedy (just like some democrats, just like EVERYONE ELSE on earth). Just like SOME welfare recipients are dumb, and some are lazy. Let’s not get pious when you’re doing the same thing, mmmkay? ---
**Author:** ![tradesilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tradesilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tradesilicon)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/25 "2000-06-29T16:17:32Z")
I love a good rant, even if I disagree with half of it! 😉 Nice job. Here’s one that strikes right at the heart of it: > [@](#): > > SUV Drivers- You pig-headed fucks! Well, this pig-headed fuck will continue to drive an SUV (gas prices not withstanding) until they come taking it away over my bullet-riddled body! So, please drive carefully, and stay the fuck out of my way, pipsqueak! BTW, I am overjoyed to hear that SUVs extend the penis, I’ll be getting the good news to my wife ASAP!!! > [@](#): > > Republicans- You are SO wrong! All the republicans I’ve seen are either stupid, misinformed, selfish, or all of the above. Well, even though I’m not a Republican, the ones I’ve seen all have real jobs, do real work everyday, and have families, responsibilities, and in many cases, back-breaking jobs (just like real people). Sure, there are some misguided individuals in the Republican party, but I will say that there are more misinformed Democrats from what I’ve seen. > [@](#): > > What’s so damn bad about communism? Is there something about mercy and empathy that offends you? At least most republicans don’t use the words ‘mercy’ and ‘empathy’ to describe communism. C’mon Freak, how informed a statement is that? This has been talked to death in another thread, so I’ll leave it alone. Your comments on welfare are interesting: you say it was no fun to grow up that way (I agree), but you still argue for continuing that failed program. Hmmm, what if someone had shown your parents how to earn more than minimum wage? That may have made a better life for your family rather than keeping you trapped in the low-income, slightly helped by welfare life. I think. I agree that it is not easy, but simply throwing a few pennies at people who are in distress does not solve anything. Oh, and about those PETA jerks - our pets (we don’t call them pets, we call them by their names) are part of our family. We have always felt the same way. But these PETA guys are just nuts, no other words. They are killing the cause with the foolish behavior and the crap they spout off. Sili ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/26 "2000-06-29T16:48:09Z")
All right, I’ll take on the Republican bashing comments and I assume by Republicans, you mean conservatives. The Republican party has members with many different views, not all of them conservative. So already, you’ve shown your own general stupidity. > [@](#): > > Republicans- You are SO wrong! All the republicans I’ve seen are either stupid, misinformed, selfish, or all of the above. As are you. Read on and I’ll show you how wrong you are, dumbfuck. > [@](#): > > Robin Hood would hang himself by his bowstring if he saw your “Steal from the poor and give to rich” mentality. Robin Hood is suspected by scholars to be a fictional character, but here’s what the symbol meant to the people of England according to my encyclopedia: “Robin Hood represents the ideal of the common people of England in the later Middle Ages. _He stands for liberty and the rights of the people against unjust laws and the tyranny of the nobles._” From my italics, you can see Robin Hood is at least a Republican, perhaps even a Libertarian. Rather than hanging himself, he might applaud. Or is this a not-so-cleverly disguised attack on private ownership of arms? Hmmm? > [@](#): > > You act like you own this country, but you seem to forget that if we don’t work, then you have to get off your ass and go find a real job. And I KNOW you don’t want that. I’m not sure I even know what the fuck this means. I suggest you are the victim of the liberal public education policy known as “Outcome Based Education,” where everyone’s a winner. OBE is a policy that ignores reality and says “We’re all equal.” This is obvious bullshit. I further suggest when you do look for that job that “we don’t want you to have,” you don’t try the education field. I don’t want you teaching my children. And finally on this point, we _do_ want you to hold a job. We have no desire to support you through the bloated and fabulously expensive welfare system; it’s liberals that support a goddamned nanny-type welfare state. > [@](#): > > It seems like some kind of legacy for liberals to quickly change sides once they actually get some money in their hands. Yep, that a fucking liberal for ya, completely without principle. > [@](#): > > How on earth do you justify giving more money to Lockheed than to welfare? Unsubstantiated allegation. Have you ever investigated just how fucking much money is spent on welfare in the U.S.? The CATO institute claims we’ve spent enough on welfare since 1962 to buy all corporations and infrastructure that currently exist in this country. And welfare expenditures are currently increasing at a greater rate than inflation. Pull off those blinders and educate yourself on a subject before you start bitching about it. > [@](#): > > National Defense? Ha! Pull your head out of your ass and look at a map. They’re all the way over there. When’s the last time anybody attacked us? It’s not National Defense, it’s National Offense. And you seem to be succeeding, cuz you’re offending the hell out of me. Umm, I think it’s the guarantee of saftey the military provides you that allows you actually spew this bullshit. Lots of honorable men have fought, bled and died to safeguard this country. As for “them being way over there,” when was the last time you checked out the airport? There are really fast planes there. They can take you anywhere on earth in a matter of a few hours. And the militant psycho dictators that run some countries have even faster models, with guns and bombs and shit. If you’re offended, it’s because you choose to be. It’s your damned ingnorance causing it. In closing, you can kiss my conservative Republican ass, serf. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/27 "2000-06-29T16:50:22Z")
And I almost forgot, conservative Republicans are in favor of gun ownership. If you don’t like us, you can shoot us. (With apologies to P.J. O’Rourke) ---
**Author:** ![FreakFreely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/48db29/32.png) [@FreakFreely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FreakFreely)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/28 "2000-06-29T17:09:01Z")
Spiritus sez: > [@](#): > > I disagree with you about republicans; I find them as a rule no less objectionable than democrats. The main thing I find so vehemently wrong about the republican party is that they are completely bought out by corporations. If it weren’t for campaign financing from big-ass corporations, republicans just wouldn’t exist. > [@](#): > > That said, I hold a special store of disgust in my soul for people who allow ideology to overwhelm empathy. They are not only wrong, they are dangerous. Fanatacism, no > matter the ideal behind the mask, has been responsible for more human suffering than any other cause I can think of at the moment. Oh, and in case it wasn’t clear, yes Friedo I am talking about you. If you actually believe that we shouldn’t help people in need just because “communists do it” then you are a sad, sad example of a human being. Well said. Very well said. Mouthy sez: > [@](#): > > Now, Freaky threw in the “I’ve seen” qualifier, but still, stupid stereotypes are stupid stereotypes. Yes, SOME republicans are stupid, misinformed and greedy (just like > some democrats, just like EVERYONE ELSE on earth). Just like SOME welfare recipients are dumb, and some are lazy. Okay, but the difference here is that MOST republicans are stupid, misinformed, and greedy. Whereas very few welfare recipients are dumb and lazy. That’s the difference between a generalization, and simple stupidity. > [@](#): > > Let’s not get pious when you’re doing the same thing, mmmkay? WHAT? When the fuck did I ever claim to be pious? aenea sez: > [@](#): > > BUT, hey bub! You are way outta line on the SUV thing. I drive a JEEP, the original SUV, and I suffer from no penile extension needs or delusions. Okay, I’m sorry, I forgot. Not all people drive SUVs for a penile extension. Some others drive SUVs to replace the penis they never had. Tell me, when you’re in bed with your husband “What’s my my name?! SAY MY NAME, BITCH!!!” Please don’t hurt me, I’m just teasing! > [@](#): > > My vehicle will go anywhere I point it at, and I will survive almost any normal collision. But will the environment survive your SUV? That’s what I’m talking about here. You just don’t need it. > [@](#): > > So get your little tin can outta my freakin way. I ride in a bus. You wanna try pushin’ **that** aside? Heh, be my guest! > [@](#): > > Well, even though I’m not a Republican, the ones I’ve seen all have real jobs, do real work everyday, and have families, responsibilities, and in many cases, back-breaking > jobs (just like real people). What makes you think a guy can’t do all those things and still be stupid and misinformed? > [@](#): > > At least most republicans don’t use the words ‘mercy’ and ‘empathy’ to describe communism. C’mon Freak, how informed a statement is that? I don’t describe communism that way. I never did. You said it, not me. But yes, communism can be about empathy and mercy. The only reason we have such a colored view of communism is because Stalin fucked it up so bad. And then China and Cuba and… I could go on. Communism isn’t about a dictatorship, it’s about everyone getting a fair share. Now, I don’t think communism works, simply because humans are lazy, piggish fools. But being idealistically opposed to communism is just plain silly. And as for your statement on welfare (too many to cut and paste). Yes, it would be great if we could do it another way. Say, bring minimum wage up to ten dollars an hour? Sounds great to me! I don’t care which way the money jumps out of the rich man’s pocket, so long as it does. And pray tell, how did welfare fail? People aren’t dying of starvation, and I see that as an accomplishment. ---
**Author:** ![Saysha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Saysha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saysha)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/29 "2000-06-29T17:18:26Z")
[QUOTE] \*\* My parents were not lazy slobs, they just didn’t have enough money to support us on their own. Y’know, it’s surprising, but it happen sometimes. I mean, do you think someone can actually support a kid on minumum wage? Are you fucking nuts?! That’s absurd! We’re talking two-hundred dollars a week. Besides, it’s not like we’re scarce on money in America. Don’t you think it would be pretty sick to live in a country where one man can buy his own jet while another man can’t buy food? \*\*\*Freak–I adore you! It’s all true, here… all of it. I got to be the sole caucasian woman sitting in a crowded wainting room of the Social Service office. I had no insurance, my male had bailed and I needed MediCal to get through the pregnancy. The woman that reviewed my file treated me like I was a spy, and made me cry in frustration. I had a healthy baby, though, and I love her dearly. I would suffer the indignity of Food Stamps again to feed us, fuckin A right, but damn–going to the store and having people stare holes in you and examine your purchases…THAT was just icky. ---
**Author:** ![etgaw1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ed655f/32.png) [@etgaw1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etgaw1)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/30 "2000-06-29T17:35:49Z")
Do you know how many people are employed because on National Defence. I whole shit load. You cut Natiol Defence A bunch of people lose their job, large companys go out of buisness and the welfare budget increases because of this instant flow of people who need it to live. Also most people i know don’t want to kill welfare just fix it. Welfare is good in theory but it is bad in practice. I don’t know how to fix all I know is that it isn’t working right now. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/31 "2000-06-29T17:45:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Mouthy sez: > > > [@](#): > > > > * * * > > > > Now, Freaky threw in the “I’ve seen” qualifier, but still, stupid stereotypes are stupid stereotypes. Yes, SOME republicans are stupid, misinformed and greedy (just like > > some democrats, just like EVERYONE ELSE on earth). Just like SOME welfare recipients are dumb, and some are lazy. > > Okay, but the difference here is that MOST republicans are stupid, misinformed, and greedy. Whereas very few welfare recipients are dumb and lazy. That’s the difference between a generalization, and simple stupidity. Thanks for the clarification. I was a little hazy on what ‘simple stupidity’ was until I read your statement "MOST republicans are stupid, misinformed, and greedy. Whereas very few welfare recipients are dumb and lazy. Now that I have been given a perfect example of ‘simple stupidity’, my day is complete. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Let’s not get pious when you’re doing the same thing, mmmkay? > > > [@](#): > > > > WHAT? When the fuck did I ever claim to be pious? Ok, so maybe pious wasn’t the most appropraite word here, point taken. However, you did get rather huffy when Friedo used a generalization that was as obtuse as yours. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/32 "2000-06-29T18:00:45Z")
freak freely said: > [@](#): > > But yes, communism can be about empathy and mercy. The only reason we have such a colored view of communism is because Stalin fucked it up so bad. And then China and Cuba and… I could go on. Communism isn’t about a dictatorship, it’s about everyone getting a fair share. Now, I don’t think communism works, simply because humans are lazy, piggish fools. But being idealistically opposed to communism is just plain silly. Oh? Communism is devoted to everyone getting a fair share, whether they do a fair share of the work or not. Communism is devoted to the idea of ideological purity- all efforts of artists, writers, etc. are to be for the good of the masses and the furthering of Communism. I think being ideologically opposed to a system that believes those two things- as well as to people who believe that any suffering to be inflicted upon people is acceptable so long as it brings us closer to those ideals- is a fine, fine thing. > [@](#): > > And as for your statement on welfare (too many to cut and paste). Yes, it would be great if we could do it another way. Say, bring minimum wage up to ten dollars an hour? Sounds great to me! Hope you like paying ten bucks for a happy meal, though. And paying twice as much taxes to pay for all of the minimum-wage workers the government and their contractors hire. And seeing your grocery bill jump twenty to thirty percent to pay for increased costs. In fact, just about everything you’d spend money on would be about 30-50% more expensive. Glad to see _you_ don’t mind that chunk of change coming out of your pocketbook. Me, I’m living just ahead of the creditors, and driving up the minimum wage wouldn’t get me an extra penny. So fuck that concept sideways. > [@](#): > > I don’t care which way the money jumps out of the rich man’s pocket, so long as it does. Right. Glad to see that people who bust their asses sixty hours a week in order to provide luxury and comfort for their kids are evil scum who deserve to have their wallets raped. Fuck that concept, and _you_, sideways. > [@](#): > > And pray tell, how did welfare fail? People aren’t dying of starvation, and I see that as an accomplishment. It failed in the fact that it provided a fail-safe security net with no incentives to progress. A ‘welfare culture’ sprung up where some people learned _not_ to work or to apply themselves; after all, applying themselves and getting jobs would mean losing benefits and making _less_ money. End result? A sizeable percentage of the underclass who are _negatively_ motivated to actually pull themselves out of that situation. A system which rewards short-term thinking that results in long-term self-destruction. Yes, welfare had its accomplishments and its successes; I am certain that you would point to your family as one of them. But just because a system works for some doesn’t mean it works in general, and welfare was doing general good for some while doing dire harm to others. ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/33 "2000-06-29T18:12:01Z")
JCJM sez: > [@](#): > > A ‘welfare culture’ sprung up where some people learned _not_ to work or to apply themselves; after all, applying themselves and getting jobs would mean losing benefits and making _less_ money. End result? A sizeable percentage of the underclass who are _negatively_ motivated to actually pull themselves out of that situation. A system which rewards short-term thinking that results in long-term self-destruction. No, No! Didn’t you read what Freekazoid wrote? VERY FEW people on welfare are lazy and stupid. So, the problem will fix itself! :rolleyes: Oh, and Freeky, I missed this gem of yours the first time: > [@](#): > > I don’t care which way the money jumps out of the rich man’s pocket, so long as it does. I am by no means “the rich man” , but I am busting my ass now so that in the future I might be. So, just in the off chance that I forget to revive this thread in 20 years, let me give you a hearty FUCK YOU right now. ---
**Author:** ![tradesilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tradesilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tradesilicon)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/34 "2000-06-29T18:15:06Z")
UncleBeer, I’ve always liked your style man, but the post above is definite proof that there is more to you than the cool username. Love your tone, and your facts. Sixpack for the Unc. Freak, > [@](#): > > …But being idealistically opposed to communism is just plain silly. Yup, you called it allright. Sili ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/35 "2000-06-29T18:15:30Z")
Apologies to John Corrado, make that “JCJM” at the top of last post read “JMCJ”. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/36 "2000-06-29T19:27:10Z")
You should see what happens when I get up a head of steam after a few beers. The fucking liberals in the bar are runnin’ for cover. But it’s not the ideology, or lack of, that broils my balls, but the refusal of many of them to educate themselves on the facts. How can you argue effectively from a position of ignorance? ---
**Author:** ![GolfWidow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GolfWidow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GolfWidow)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/37 "2000-06-29T20:45:09Z")
UncleBeer and John Corrado - ::::::standing up and applaudling:::::::::: Well stated! \ ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/38 "2000-06-29T20:52:17Z")
> [@](#): > > it’s not the ideology, or lack of, that broils my balls, but the refusal of many of them to educate themselves on the facts. Ahhhh – the problem is solved! You get some “facts” from the CATO institute. I’ll get some “facts” from FAIR. Your confidence assures me that our facts will be in complete agreement, so I have no doubt we will be able to find the correct solution to all of the world’s problems. _Note for the sarcasm impaired_: This is not a serious offer. In fact, I do not generally consider myself a liberal. I do, however, grow tired of the presumption that one side of an argumnt has the true facts and any who disagree must be stupid, willfully obtuse, delusional, or corrupt. Unclebeer, if your barroom sermons are full of the same, I have little doubt that the liberals run for cover. I would imagine that most people possessing a sense of smell would seek to escape that particular eruption of gas. ---
**Author:** ![FreakFreely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/48db29/32.png) [@FreakFreely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FreakFreely)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/39 "2000-06-29T21:26:33Z")
UncleBeer, you’re a republican? I’m suprised and saddened. I thought you had more brains than that. > [@](#): > > All right, I’ll take on the Republican bashing comments and I assume by Republicans, you mean conservatives. The Republican party has members with many different views, not all of them conservative. So already, you’ve shown your own general stupidity. Really? Not all republicans are conservative? Wow! Tell me more, oh vapid one! Yeah, I know. But when you’re in the middle of a full-fledged rant, you don’t nitpick about details. > [@](#): > > Robin Hood is suspected by scholars to be a fictional character, but here’s what the symbol meant to the people of England according to my encyclopedia: “Robin Hood represents the ideal of the common people of England in the later Middle Ages. He stands for liberty and the rights of the people against unjust laws and the tyranny of the nobles.” From my italics, you can see Robin Hood is at least a Republican, perhaps even a Libertarian. Rather than hanging himself, he might applaud. Aw, christ. What are you gonna do next, complain about my grammar? That was beneath you man, you’ve got more class than that. Don’t you? I _know_ Robin Hood probably didn’t exist, I do read Cecil’s stuff after all. “He stands for liberty and the rights of the people against unjust laws and the tyranny of the nobles.” How does that state he’s a republican or libertarian? I too want liberty and rights against unjust laws and tyrannical nobles. That’s what communists claim to want too. What people seem to forget is that we all want the same thing, we just have different ideas of what’ll get us there. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > You act like you own this country, but you seem to forget that if we don’t work, then you have to get off your ass and go find a real job. And I KNOW you don’t want that. > > I’m not sure I even know what the fuck this means. It means that the people in the upper class hold jobs that pay more and require less work than those job we delegate to the lower class. Which job do you think is harder, being a garbage man, or being a paper pusher? If the maid quits her job then the paper pusher has to do all that shit himself. But that’s a simplistic way of putting it. Basically, if the labor quits, then somebody else has to do that job or else the paper pusher can’t keep his job. The brain is a fabulous instrument, but it can’t do shit without the body to support it. > [@](#): > > I don’t want you teaching my children. And if they’re anything like you, they probably can’t be taught. > [@](#): > > And finally on this point, we do want you to hold a job. We have no desire to support you through the bloated and fabulously expensive welfare system; it’s liberals that support a goddamned nanny-type welfare state. I should point out that I **am** holding a job. And I’ve never collected welfare before, nor do I plan to. I can support myself just fine. And don’t forget that I am also paying taxes. Just like you. That said, how can you be so blatantly unsympathetic? When did your heart shrivel up and die? I mean, there a **kids** out there who **will not eat** without welfare. You borg motherfucker! What the hell is wrong with you? Your complete lack of empathy scares me. It’s just plain inhuman. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > It seems like some kind of legacy for liberals to quickly change sides once they actually get some money in their hands. > > Yep, that a fucking liberal for ya, completely without principle. No, that’s what seperates someone who’s a liberal out of principle from someone who’s a liberal out of convenience. And in my experience, most people who are conservatives are conservatives out of personal convenience, the others are just wrong. I think if you had four kids and were flipping burgers at McDonalds sixy hours a week, and **still** not making enough money to pay the bills and feed your kids, you might change your mind real quick. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > How on earth do you justify giving more money to Lockheed than to welfare? > > Unsubstantiated allegation. No, that’s entirely substantiated. In the last year’s budget we gave more money in corporate welfare to Lockheed than we did to the people who really need it. Welfare recipients. And that’s just plain sick. > [@](#): > > Have you ever investigated just how fucking much money is spent on welfare in the U.S.? The CATO institute claims we’ve spent enough on welfare since 1962 to buy all corporations and infrastructure that currently exist in this country. So are you suggesting that buildings are more important than people? I’d like to say “at least your heart’s in the right place” but at this point I’m not even sure if you **have** one. > [@](#): > > Pull off those blinders and educate yourself on a subject before you start bitching about it Ditto. > [@](#): > > Umm, I think it’s the guarantee of saftey the military provides you that allows you actually spew this bullshit. Lots of honorable men have fought, bled and died to safeguard this country. As for “them being way over there,” when was the last time you checked out the airport? There are really fast planes there. They can take you anywhere on earth in a matter of a few hours. And the militant psycho dictators that run some countries have even faster models, with guns and bombs and shit. If you’re offended, it’s because you choose to be. It’s your damned ingnorance causing it. Yes, many people have fought and died to safeguard our country. But many more have died in pointless battles with people that posed no threat to us whatsoever. Everyone wants to remember the Alamo, but nobody wants to remember Vietnam. And most of those psycho militant dictators don’t even have enough money to buy food to feed their people, much less jets and bombs and guns and shit. Except for the ones that we sell them at low-low limited time prices. We give them bombs and then bomb them. Smart. And yeah, it is my choice to be offended. But it was either that or get a full-frontal lobotomy. I can see which one you picked. I’ll deal with the rest of you guys later. I need to simmer for a while. ---
**Author:** ![FreakFreely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/48db29/32.png) [@FreakFreely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FreakFreely)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2000, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950/40 "2000-06-29T21:33:51Z")
> [@](#): > > I do, however, grow tired of the presumption that one side of an argumnt has the true facts and any who disagree must be stupid, willfully obtuse, delusional, or corrupt. Unclebeer, if your barroom sermons are full of the same, I have little doubt that the liberals run for cover. I would imagine that most people possessing a sense of smell would seek to escape that particular eruption of gas. Mundi, m’man, I’d like to just state once again that you rule. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-wrong-youre-all-wrong/23950.md?page=3)