# Yvette Felarca: heroine? ... or terrorist? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237 "2017-02-07T16:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/181 "2017-02-17T20:13:09Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Shouldn’t it matter what the argument is not who is making the argument? :dubious: What is the defining characteristic of a white supremacist? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/182 "2017-02-17T20:14:15Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Seriously, when I hear nazis (any white pride group), I hear, “_You displease me. I want to kill you_.” That is the summary essence of their “speech”. That is a threat, which is not protected by the first amendment. And, anyway, I am not the government, so it is not my responsibility to protect anyone’s speech rights or chastise anyone else for encroaching upon them. The Constitution protects us from excesses of the government, not from each other. So you are delusional and paranoid. That’s not the state of mind in which rational people should make policy from. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/183 "2017-02-17T20:21:27Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > :dubious: What is the defining characteristic of a white supremacist? I don’t know nor do I care. I care that ZPG Zealot makes 1000 times more sense than the knuckledragging, violence advocating, so-called liberals in this thread. I know you aren’t retarded like septimus and SteveG1 so there is hope that the zealots on the left can understand the importance of liberty. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/184 "2017-02-17T20:33:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t know nor do I care. For fuck’s sake that was a rhetorical question, because everybody fuckin knows. The defining characteristic of a white supremacist is that they make white supremacist arguments, so your question to me was incoherent. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/185 "2017-02-17T20:36:30Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > For fuck’s sake that was a rhetorical question, because everybody fuckin knows. The defining characteristic of a white supremacist is that they make white supremacist arguments, so your question to me was incoherent. No. Your post is illogical. You are stating that the only thing a white supremacist could possibly be discussing is white supremacy. Again I care about the rightness and wrongness of a debate not where the information is coming from. And even if the information is wrong that gives no one the right to beat the speaker or set a university on fire. Regardless of the threat to someone’s chicken pox vaccine. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/186 "2017-02-17T20:42:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > No. Your post is illogical. You are stating that the only thing a white supremacist could possibly be discussing is white supremacy. What? No I goddamn well am not saying that. You and Saint cad are ridiculous assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/187 "2017-02-17T20:44:46Z")
I’ll lay it out one more time: Someone makes real honest-to-god white supremacist arguments, like that Spencer asshole? They could use a good solid punch to the head. Giving them one, in a stable society in which there are solid protections for free speech, causes more problems than it solves, so I won’t advocate a good solid punch to the head for white supremacists in such a society. I also will giggle when I watch a video of them getting one anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/188 "2017-02-17T20:48:12Z")
I kind of share those sentiments (though I’m not familiar with Spencer specifically). In general, there’s a huge distinction to be made as to whether an individual instance of violence is a bad thing and whether society tolerating it as a matter of policy is a good idea. The same issue is also relevant in the case of many police shootings. You can’t give police carte blanche to go around shooting people, even if some of the individuals who get shot are no great loss to society. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/189 "2017-02-17T21:06:47Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > What? No I goddamn well am not saying that. You and Saint cad are ridiculous assholes. That’s quite hateful. And it hurts me to read that. However, I have no desire to physically assault you. Nor would I smile if you were punched and a video of it found its way to worldstarhiphop. Try being peaceful. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/190 "2017-02-17T21:12:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s quite hateful. And it hurts me to read that. However, I have no desire to physically assault you. Nor would I smile if you were punched and a video of it found its way to worldstarhiphop. Try being peaceful. There are a lot of conservative morons who think that being a liberal is only about being tolerant. It looks as though you are one of those. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/191 "2017-02-17T21:20:57Z")
There are also a lot of conservatives who think that being a liberal is also about being tolerant. One reason they think so is that liberals frequently like to claim this. However, this view is probably fading somewhat of late. Turns out that liberals are very in favor of tolerance for those who have victim status in their worldview, but not particularly tolerant otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/192 "2017-02-17T21:23:22Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > There are a lot of conservative morons who think that being a liberal is only about being tolerant. It looks as though you are one of those. Since when did I claim liberals were tolerant? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/193 "2017-02-17T21:27:10Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > There are also a lot of conservatives who think that being a liberal is also about being tolerant. One reason they think so is that liberals frequently like to claim this. > > However, this view is probably fading somewhat of late. Turns out that liberals are very in favor of tolerance for those who have victim status in their worldview, but not particularly tolerant otherwise. Must…tolerate…intolerance. Must. tolerate. intolerance. Nah, can’t do it. Big bad nazis can get punched in the belly all day long by little girls and I’ll call it assault. And I will laugh at them. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/194 "2017-02-17T21:29:48Z")
Yes, that’s pretty much the “out”. The problem is that when you’ve pretty much defined anyone who disagrees with you as “intolerant” (or something comparable) and used this “out” for them, then it loses much of its effectiveness. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/195 "2017-02-17T21:32:39Z")
Nope, i’m talking about that specific nazi pussy. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/196 "2017-02-17T21:44:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > What? No I goddamn well am not saying that. You and Saint cad are ridiculous assholes. This, in ALL its glory. I never said I wished violence on the Nazi, I simply admitted I didn’t feel any sympathy - didn’t care. I will repeat myself one last time, for the stupid motherfuckers out there… I said repeatedly, LET THE LAW HANDLE IT. If the law doesn’t handle it, I said they should take it up with their Sheriff or Police. I said that at least once. Since this lack of love and affection hurt their snowflake selves so much, and since they could not understand my lack of empathy for a Nazi, I have to think it’s because it affects them directly and personally. Why would it, unless they themselves are Nazis. As far as “Ignoring” because I am triggered, I think it is you two assholes that got triggered. GOOD! Choke on it for a while. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/197 "2017-02-17T21:50:57Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Must…tolerate…intolerance. Must. tolerate. intolerance. > Nah, can’t do it. Big bad nazis can get punched in the belly all day long by little girls and I’ll call it assault. And I will laugh at them. Me too. They parade around, talking a lot of shit about how they want a civil war, a race war, a “christian” war, acting tough, plotting terror attacks (real ones) and yet they shit their pants when a little girl goes after one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/198 "2017-02-17T22:00:32Z")
Punching Nazis is un-American? [Sez who?](http://comicsalliance.com/files/2015/10/cap-punching-hitler-630x387.jpg) The only reason the Founding Fathers didn’t punch Nazis is because Nazism hadn’t been invented yet. But if it had, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and even Alexander Hamilton would have lined up behind Captain America to give them a good punch in the face. My Grandfather didn’t storm the beaches at Normandy so a fucking Nazi could cry like a baby when a crazy old lady punched him. My Grandfather actually worked on Liberty Ships, but he surely didn’t build those Liberty Ships for a goddam Nazi. First they came for the Nazis, and I screamed “Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I’m being repressed! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That’s what I’m on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, didn’t you?” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/199 "2017-02-17T22:24:30Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Punching Nazis is un-American? [Sez who?](http://comicsalliance.com/files/2015/10/cap-punching-hitler-630x387.jpg) > > The only reason the Founding Fathers didn’t punch Nazis is because Nazism hadn’t been invented yet. But if it had, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and even Alexander Hamilton would have lined up behind Captain America to give them a good punch in the face. > > My Grandfather didn’t storm the beaches at Normandy so a fucking Nazi could cry like a baby when a crazy old lady punched him. My Grandfather actually worked on Liberty Ships, but he surely didn’t build those Liberty Ships for a goddam Nazi. > > First they came for the Nazis, and I screamed “Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I’m being repressed! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That’s what I’m on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, didn’t you?” Hear, hear! My own father and uncles shot plenty of them during WW2. And got medals for it. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237/200 "2017-02-17T22:27:23Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Yes, that’s pretty much the “out”. The problem is that when you’ve pretty much defined anyone who disagrees with you as “intolerant” (or something comparable) and used this “out” for them, then it loses much of its effectiveness. Where do you get this “_… **anyone** who disagrees with you …_” bullshit? Who here has advocated violence as a solution to general disagreement? Please point those posters out. Because nazis are a very specific group (even including white pride assholes, you still have a small and specific group) who advocate violence as a central component of their ideology. Yet, I, personally, do not laud Felarca for her actions. Primarily because the asshole with the circle-cross flag called out for the antifas (literally using that word) to come and get him. He was trying to gather martyr coin, to bolster his standing. Persons who make an effort to instigate confrontation should be blown off. Make them actually start it. She was very foolish for playing into his hand. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yvette-felarca-heroine-or-terrorist/779237.md?page=11)