# Zany Zeolite Zipper, you are not well. Seek help. (With bonus Der Trihs pitting!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 16, 2011, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795 "2011-01-16T04:25:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/121 "2011-01-17T00:53:50Z")
> [@Batfish](#): > > Scenario #1 > > **Der Trihs** gets lucky and brings a woman home for sex. He secretly video tapes her and she later falsely accuses him of rape but her dastardly accusation is foiled by his video evidence. > > Scenario #2 > > **Der Trihs** gets lucky and brings a woman home for sex. He tells her he’s going to video tape the session “for his own protection”. She says FU and leaves. > > Scenario #3 > > **Der Trihs** gets lucky and brings a woman home for sex. He secretly video tapes her but no accusation of rape is ever made. > > 1 and 2 result in exactly the same protection from a false accusation, the only difference being is in 2 **Der Trihs** doesn’t get any. So of course a dirtbag would choose 2. > > 3 results in a record, without her knowledge or consent, of an act any woman would reasonably expect to be private in the hands of a dirtbag. > > I think that sums up **DianaG** ’s point. Or Scenario #4: Der Trihs gets lucky and brings a woman home for sex. He says he wants to video tape them having sex. She giggles and says she’s never done anything like that before, but hell, why not? Penis ensues. Der Trihs believes Scenario #4 is impossible and that that alone makes #1 okay. I have it on pretty good authority he’s wrong. Scenario #4 happens quite a bit, probably to more than a few Dopers, even. And yeah, it’s overstating it to call it rape, I admit that. I can stick with evil, unethical, creepy, repulsive and morally bankrupt violation without calling it rape. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/122 "2011-01-17T01:23:37Z")
**jsgoddess** – not to mention, what kind of women is he dating, if he’s so afraid of being accused of rape? To the point he feels he needs to video-tape their sex life to protect himself? Can we say “trust issues”? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/123 "2011-01-17T01:28:07Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I would think the closest analogy are upskirt videos, which I find completely unacceptable when they are taken without consent. > . The nearest star system to us is about 4 light years away. There is a subtle difference between close and closest… ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/124 "2011-01-17T02:20:56Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **jsgoddess** – not to mention, what kind of women is he dating, if he’s so afraid of being accused of rape? To the point he feels he needs to video-tape their sex life to protect himself? > > Can we say “trust issues”? Yeah, I don’t think he understands the concepts of “romance”, “dating”, or “sex”, except in vague theoretical ways. As I said, don’t think he’s had a romantic relationship in his life. He’s heard the horror stories, but doesn’t have the life experience to put them into perspective. It’s very interesting, though. He’s the only ultraliberal misogynist I can think of. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/125 "2011-01-17T02:33:26Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > For a while now, I’ve been convinced that he has never had a romantic relationship in his life, and thus has bizarre notions of what such a relationship is like. This is probably the first time I’ve ever noticed him, and that was exactly my impression. This guy has never had a romantic relationship with an actual woman, just the imaginary ones he’s heard about on message boards and scary newspaper articles. It’s possible he’s paid for it, though, or strongly considered it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/126 "2011-01-17T03:46:41Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > Yeah, I don’t think he understands the concepts of “romance”, “dating”, or “sex”, except in vague theoretical ways. As I said, don’t think he’s had a romantic relationship in his life. He’s heard the horror stories, but doesn’t have the life experience to put them into perspective. > > It’s very interesting, though. He’s the only ultraliberal misogynist I can think of. Hell, I don’t think he’s even had any _friendships_, outside of the internet. I seem to recall him recently saying that he wouldn’t be friends with anyone who was religious, because he wouldn’t be able to trust them. Dude has some _serious_ issues. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/127 "2011-01-17T13:31:58Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I seem to recall him recently saying that he wouldn’t be friends with anyone who was religious, because he wouldn’t be able to trust them. Well, he better videotape them when they come to his house, in case they pray on him. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/128 "2011-01-17T14:06:11Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Hell, I don’t think he’s even had any _friendships_, outside of the internet. You of all people are snarking on someone who doesn’t have a life “outside of the internet”? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/129 "2011-01-17T14:23:06Z")
> [@leander](#): > > You of all people are snarking on someone who doesn’t have a life “outside of the internet”? See \*\*billfish’s \*\*post above on the subtle difference between “close” and “closest”. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/130 "2011-01-17T14:45:30Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > See \*\*billfish’s \*\*post above on the subtle difference between “close” and “closest”. Do you know the difference between “short bus” and “complete retard”? Because Guin and Trihs both fall on the same spectrum, but just land on different points. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/131 "2011-01-17T14:53:09Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Or Scenario #4: Der Trihs gets lucky and brings a woman home for sex. He says he wants to video tape them having sex. She giggles and says she’s never done anything like that before, but hell, why not? Penis ensues. Woman informs **Der Trihs** that his mom’s credit card is over limit and demands payment in cash. **Der Trihs** tries frantically to convince woman to accept mint-condition comic as woman dials her pimp to report another piece-of-shit deadbeat. Woman leaves with a purseful of Mom’s heirloom jewelry and a few parting shot’s at **Der Trihs’s** inadequate manhood. **Der Trihs** slinks back to basement to tap out misogynist jeremiad as woman hops a cab to her next client, who says he wants to videotape them having sex. She giggles and says she’s never done anything like that before… ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/132 "2011-01-17T15:12:42Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Do you know the difference between “short bus” and “complete retard”? Because Guin and Trihs both fall on the same spectrum, but just land on different points. While not denying your basic premise, I don’t think one can usefully compare “spends much of her day on the Dope” with “is so out of touch with the outside world he literally thinks that all Christians secretly want to execute him for apostasy.” ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/133 "2011-01-17T15:24:01Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > While not denying your basic premise, I don’t think one can usefully compare “spends much of her day on the Dope” with “is so out of touch with the outside world he literally thinks that all Christians secretly want to execute him for apostasy.” Unless things have changed dramatically with Guin there is a lot more to it than “spends much of her day on the Dope”. This is someone who must be in her early/mid thirties, still lives at home, does not have a steady job or any sort of social life and seems to spend a whole shitload of time on the Dope/Giraffe/Snark boards. This is not someone who is in a position to judge others, yet seems to make a life out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/134 "2011-01-17T15:39:10Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And since this is degenerating into empty insults and sexual slurs, I’ll be exiting the thread before the implied death threats start. Yeah, because wishing death on people is bad, isn’t it? it’s certainly something you would never do, right? ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/135 "2011-01-17T16:05:56Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > It would have the exact same impact if she knew about it. That is a HUGE _if_, you twit. If fact it isn’t even an “if”. IF she knows then she HAS been wronged _provided she minds_. Suppose upon finding out that this never seen, never reviewed, never released record exists, she says: “Meh”. Is she still wronged? It is her _perception_ of the event that determines whether or not she has been offended or wronged by it’s existence. If you are going to keep arguing with the good ol’ “My post is my cite” logic perhaps you should consider a name change to **DianaG-es the cynic** ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/136 "2011-01-17T16:16:49Z")
Der Trihs reminds me of some of the Something Awful goons I’ve read about as of late. Actually, he’d be right at home there. Der Trihs, if you’re still reading this, go there and hang out there instead of here. Those broken fucks be happy to have you, and it’s obviously few here want you here. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/137 "2011-01-17T16:34:57Z")
> [@Acid\_Lamp](#): > > That is a HUGE _if_, you twit. If fact it isn’t even an “if”. IF she knows then she HAS been wronged _provided she minds_. Suppose upon finding out that this never seen, never reviewed, never released record exists, she says: “Meh”. Is she still wronged? It is her _perception_ of the event that determines whether or not she has been offended or wronged by it’s existence. > > If you are going to keep arguing with the good ol’ “My post is my cite” logic perhaps you should consider a name change to **DianaG-es the cynic** Why is this such a difficult concept to so many here. Whether or not she’s aware of the event, she was violated. In fact, in California the “secret” filming is illegal (as it applies to this discussion) The viewing of the immage is illegal, and the transportation/sending/forwarding of the image(s) is illegal. “Secret” wouldn’t apply if she knew, would it? There exists a reasonable expectation of privacy when an individual is certain areas. Rest rooms, bedrooms, tanning salons, etc. If that person is in such a place, and that person is filmed, and is identifiable, then there is a crime. Her perception is not an element of that crime, nor is it a defense thereto. Example, those buttnuggets that film up a womans dress or down her top while she’s on a staircase. The woman never finds out, so according to your theory, there is no crime? Sorry, don’t work that way. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/138 "2011-01-17T17:01:29Z")
Oh, so arguments now rest on legality instead of wrongness? I’ll update my notes. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/139 "2011-01-17T17:09:38Z")
Consider it a moral wrong with a jail sentence if you like. Regardless, the collective conscious of society as dictated by the legislature deems it inappropriate behavior. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795/140 "2011-01-17T17:10:11Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Der’s entirely practical objection to obtaining consent is that the very type of person it would protect you from is the type who would object to being taped. If that’s the case, its even more reason why he should be seeking consent. The would-be sociopathic false rape-accusers who object to being filmed can be scratched off the sex list and be sent home. Problem solved; no risk to worry about. I know, I know. Sex is paramount. Nothing should stand in the way of a man and his precious sex, and that includes informed consent. Still though, you’d think eventually it would occur to those who are as paranoid as **Der** that being selective with whom you sleep with might be prudent. If the guy rejects out of hand any strategy that might help weed the sociopaths from the non-sociopaths _before he puts himself in harm’s way by sleeping with them_, then I’m going to call him stupid and lazy in addition to unethical. That said, this is all hypothetical anyway. **Der** fucks dolls, yall. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zany-zeolite-zipper-you-are-not-well-seek-help-with-bonus-der-trihs-pitting/567795.md?page=8)