# Zhen'ka **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829 "2009-07-13T04:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/21 "2009-07-13T16:25:58Z")
> [@chorpler](#): > > And for crying out loud … saying that about **Polycarp**?! I don’t think there’s anybody on the board with a better reputation for integry than **Polycarp**. Having been on the receiving end of Polycarp’s nastiness at least once, I don’t hold him up as some paragon of board virtues. That said, Zhen’ka’s comments seem out of line. Not that I’m going to read the whole thread to double check. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/22 "2009-07-13T17:41:35Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Having been on the receiving end of Polycarp’s nastiness at least once, I don’t hold him up as some paragon of board virtues. > > That said, Zhen’ka’s comments seem out of line. Not that I’m going to read the whole thread to double check. Just curious, **jsgoddess** – anything you feel appropriate to bring back up? I don’t claim to be perfect – I insulted **Sarahfeena** nastily once for no reason other than I was under the weather and irritable. If we can sort it out to your satisfaction, I’d like that. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/23 "2009-07-13T17:45:38Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Haa! Giraffe, you are really excited about getting some action in the pit. Me too. Me too. Mostly, I just like to see the Pit used to hash out conflicts instead of people going to the mods or making snippy asides, although I will say it’s also a nice diversion from the “my pen ran out of ink!!” tedium that’s been dominating it of late. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/24 "2009-07-13T17:50:03Z")
Not everybody is going to like your friends. And not everybody is going to like you. He thinks you and your friend are full of shit. Since you don’t know each other at all, neither of you knows for certain how full of shit the other is. Should he not have said anything because he doesn’t know either you or your pal? Or because, you know, everyone on the boards knows Polycarp doesn’t lie? I suppose the last question was not so much directed at the OP as it was the subsequent love-fest. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/25 "2009-07-13T17:54:27Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > **Liberal** started the thread about the troubles that **Poly** and Skulldigger were having, which led to the collection of money from us to help them out. Oh, Lib started that? Okay, cause I was going ‘wait, was it… no, he didn’t collect the money… can’t be that.’ ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/26 "2009-07-13T18:08:08Z")
I’m one of those that can’t stand **Lib** (after his behavior over at one of the splinter boards), but really, I can’t ever say that **Polycarp** has ever been anything other than friendly and honest here. He’s not perfect, as in, let’s not slobber all over the guy. But I’ve met him at least once, and he’s just as nice in person as he is here. I don’t think you’d have to pay him to stick up for a friend. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/27 "2009-07-13T18:12:10Z")
Yep. Insult me all you want. But leave Poly the fuck out of it. He’s done more for me than I have for him, frankly, just by his example. I’m a pile of shit; but Poly’s a nugget of gold. And I’m not only grateful, but honored that he would vouch for me. That’s all I have to say about that. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/28 "2009-07-13T18:24:07Z")
Does this all seem familiar to those of us with long memories? [It should!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5539655&postcount=59) ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/29 "2009-07-13T18:42:14Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > Does this all seem familiar to those of us with long memories? [It should!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5539655&postcount=59) Wow. Seems like he just can’t let it go. ---
**Author:** ![supergoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@supergoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supergoose)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/30 "2009-07-13T19:19:42Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Having been on the receiving end of Polycarp’s nastiness at least once, I don’t hold him up as some paragon of board virtues. Example, please? If it’s public and you don’t mind sharing. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/31 "2009-07-13T19:23:18Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Wow. Seems like he just can’t let it go. Just to get it straight, did you mean **Liberal** or **Zhen’ka?** ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/32 "2009-07-13T20:04:25Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Just curious, **jsgoddess** – anything you feel appropriate to bring back up? I don’t see any need. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/33 "2009-07-13T20:05:27Z")
Well, don’t fucking bring it up then. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/34 "2009-07-13T20:17:06Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, don’t fucking bring it up then. And… why not? Is there any other board member I’m not permitted to state a distaste for without providing some grand opportunity for rapprochement? If so, could you please provide a list so that I may ignore it at my leisure? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/35 "2009-07-13T20:21:39Z")
If your distaste is based on something you could easily provide a citation for but choose not to, referencing that occurrence makes you look like a douche. If you don’t like **Polycarp** , just say so, but don’t bring up some imaginary slight from three years ago. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/36 "2009-07-13T20:30:30Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Just to get it straight, did you mean **Liberal** or **Zhen’ka?** **Zhen’ka**. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/37 "2009-07-13T20:32:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If your distaste is based on something you could easily provide a citation for but choose not to, referencing that occurrence makes you look like a douche. If you don’t like **Polycarp** , just say so, but don’t bring up some imaginary slight from three years ago. Easily? With this board’s search engine? You’re kidding, right? I don’t think Polycarp is a particularly great guy yet I still think the post cited in the OP was not reasonable. My interest in demonstrating why I don’t think Polycarp is a particularly great guy is pretty much nonexistent. Your weird hyperdefensiveness doesn’t make my interest stronger. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/38 "2009-07-13T20:42:05Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Easily? With this board’s search engine? You’re kidding, right? > > I don’t think Polycarp is a particularly great guy yet I still think the post cited in the OP was not reasonable. My interest in demonstrating why I don’t think Polycarp is a particularly great guy is pretty much nonexistent. Your weird hyperdefensiveness doesn’t make my interest stronger. I can very much respect that. It’s just that I wasn’t aware of any real issues between us – we disagree on a few things, agree on a bunch more, and I didn’t think there was any problem. If you want it resolved, I’m willing – down to offering an apology for an offensive remark from years back, if that’s what it was. If you merely want to let it lie, that’s fine too. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/39 "2009-07-13T21:42:41Z")
I’m just curious what about hanging out with **Liberal** allows **Polycarp** to “vouch” for his father’s heritage? It puts me in the mind of that pre-Iraq invasion dialogue here where one poster said “It’s super secret, but I’ve seen the proof of Saddam’s danger” and then another poster vouched for him.Turned out to be all crap, of course. Anyone remember who that was? Anyway, yes of course, Zhen’ka’s comments were overly nasty for MPSIMS. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/40 "2009-07-13T21:51:26Z")
Anyone can VOUCH for anything. It’s up to individuals to decide if they will accept the word of the person who is vouching. N’est-ce pas? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829.md?page=3)