# Zhen'ka **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829 "2009-07-13T04:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/81 "2009-07-15T02:44:59Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Are you one of the people running around and posting in every thread **Liberal** is participating in, taking him to task regardless of whether he’s said anything in that thread which deserves it? If not (and I assume not in your case), then you are not the type of people that are under discussion. There was a time when he accused me of stalking him. Though I’m not interested in religous threads and he’s not interested in baseball threads, there was something that I don’t recall in which our interests overlapped, and I got shit from him about it on his assumption that I was simply after him. Now I just don’t pay attention to him, which was probably the goal of the accusation. Fuck it. He’s not worth anyone paying attention to for any reason. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/82 "2009-07-15T03:26:04Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > … Now I just don’t pay attention to him, which was probably the goal of the accusation. Fuck it. He’s not worth anyone paying attention to for any reason. And that’s a wonderfully rational reaction given your, and many others’, assessment of him. A reaction that separates you from the posters under discussion, as **DSYoungEsq** states. No one says that anyone shouldn’t dislike him. We just don’t get why a group of others who dislike him pay so much attention to everything he does and feel it is their right or even their duty to pursue him into various threads in order to slap him around. You see the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/83 "2009-07-15T03:28:49Z")
I must say that I’m surprised by the \*\*Frank \*\*thing. He doesn’t remember whatever it is, and neither do I. I really must say that I have nothing against Frank, though it is entirely possible that I insulted him at some point in the past. Things happen similar to that a lot in real life. A person says or does something that he later doesn’t even recall, while the person he said it to remembers it all like it was yesterday. The fact that I am worth nothing, based on an event someone can’t even recall, though, is remarkable to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/84 "2009-07-15T03:42:11Z")
He remembers being insulted by what probably seemed like an irrational attack by you. I’ve experienced it too **Lib** , when you ripped into me for having the … uh … audacity to criticize Obama (who I also supported and worked for and still think of as the best President in my memory, at least up to date) for what I saw as his silence in the face of anti-Arab stereotypes. I just didn’t take it personally and let it go. Yeah, you can do that to people and few of us can blame those who have reacted to those things with a persistent dislike. **Frank** ’s lasting antipathy doesn’t surprise many of us, even if he does not remember the details of the interaction. And his not bothering with you from then on as a reaction seems like a rational response. It is these irrational stalker reactions that pisses many of the rest of us off. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/85 "2009-07-15T03:50:40Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > We just don’t get why a group of others who dislike him pay so much attention to everything he does and feel it is their right or even their duty to pursue him into various threads in order to slap him around. > > You see the difference? Well, I do see the difference, but that was exactly what **Liberal** accused me of. He was not able to see that my differences with him resulted from our exchanges in threads where our interests were the same, and was (I think) assuming that I was following him around the boards. In my memory that is very typical of him; he has always assumed that those who criticise him have only ulterior motives. While to some extent I’ll accept that that is so - that some who attack him are doing it simply for the joy of it - he has also acted as if those who have reasonable grievances with him are simply picking on him. I’ve no interest in searching his (close to 40,000) posts to show my point, but - nevertheless - **Liberal** has a history of acting as if he is being put upon and stalked. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/86 "2009-07-15T03:55:11Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > … but - nevertheless - **Liberal** has a history of acting as if he is being put upon and stalked. Oh no need. The point is granted. Most of us know that is true. But as the saying goes, just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean that they are not out to get you. This time they really are. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/87 "2009-07-15T04:03:09Z")
nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/88 "2009-07-15T04:09:08Z")
I’m confused by your confusion (which may result from your cutting off the second half of my sentence). > [@](#): > > What is happening is very very different. It is people who have not been participating in threads then engage with posts that either exclusively harass Lib or then also otherwise annoy the thread with additional garbage. These are people, once again, who are going out of their way to open up Lib related threads in order that they may be offended by his posts and disrupt the thread They are not active participants in the actual discussions of the threads but notice that **Lib** is posting in it, then come in and put up posts whose sole content are **Lib** attacks and snark directed at him. They do not otherwise engage and have not been otherwise engaged in the discussion of the op. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/89 "2009-07-15T04:33:09Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > He remembers being insulted by what probably seemed like an irrational attack by you. I’ve experienced it too **Lib** , when you ripped into me for having the … uh … audacity to criticize Obama (who I also supported and worked for and still think of as the best President in my memory, at least up to date) for what I saw as his silence in the face of anti-Arab stereotypes. I just didn’t take it personally and let it go. Yeah, you can do that to people and few of us can blame those who have reacted to those things with a persistent dislike. **Frank** ’s lasting antipathy doesn’t surprise many of us, even if he does not remember the details of the interaction. And his not bothering with you from then on as a reaction seems like a rational response. It is these irrational stalker reactions that pisses many of the rest of us off. I should always have been more calm, and more respectful of other people, as I am today. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/90 "2009-07-15T05:52:52Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Just curious, **jsgoddess** – anything you feel appropriate to bring back up? I don’t claim to be perfect – I insulted **Sarahfeena** nastily once for no reason other than I was under the weather and irritable. If we can sort it out to your satisfaction, I’d like that. Posting your seppuku on YouTube would do. 😉 > [@NinetyWt](#): > > ^^ Be that as it may, that thread was not the proper venue for Zhen’ka’s post. No thread, and no forum, is an appropriate venue for such attack. That was, in my opinion, the lowest attack I have seen on anyone here. I participate in this and other fora, I moderate two boards, one of which is almost as active as this one, and I still do not comprehend why some people have such passions in their dislike of some message boards posters. I can honestly say that I am more likely to remember the posters whose posts I enjoy than those I disagree with. I remember years ago I participated in a thread that got really heated, insults where hurled, some hit me, and I can honestly swear that I don’t remember the posters that insulted me. Really. I just ignored them hard enough that I ended up forgetting them. I really like this message board. I really do, it’s not important enough to add a new set of people to my black list. I reserve that for a distinguished few, my memory space is too precious. I am not sure if that is a bad or a good thing. But them, I am yet to pit another poster, or be pitted myself. I like it like that. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/91 "2009-07-15T10:44:12Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Easily? With this board’s search engine? You’re kidding, right? It’s not really that difficult. All it took me was to search for **Poly** using your name in a post, which, it turns out,he’s only done three times, including this thread. I was able to figure out the main points in the contretemps by going back a page from **Poly’s** post and searching for a post by you, and then one more from **Poly**. The whole thing went by so fast I would have missed it if I had blinked. To be candid, it seems that nearly three years of holding a negative view of him over it is kind of extreme. That said, it is fine and upstanding of you to be agreeing with his OP now. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/92 "2009-07-15T13:03:26Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > **Shodan** , you’re good at many things, my friend. You’re a damn good fighter for your political and ethical causes. But \*\*CarnalK \*\*is the King of Snark. And I mean that as a compliment. For him snark is an art form. (At least, it comes across to me that way.) My advice, for what it’s worth — bow out. Thanks for the heads-up. This didn’t strike me as much of an example of good snark. He tried something, it didn’t work, he threw out a rather generic Parthian shot, and there’s an end of it. Good snark needs to point out that I have a small penis or something. Not that I do, mind you. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/93 "2009-07-15T15:08:24Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I’m confused by your confusion In my confusion, I was thinking y’all were talking about the same threads. But you’re not. So I figured it out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/94 "2009-07-15T15:09:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Good snark needs to point out that I have a small penis or something. > > Not that I do, mind you. > > Regards, > Shodan I have no doubt that you [del]are[/del] have a gigantic dick. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/95 "2009-07-15T16:19:10Z")
It is very [del]assholish[/del] kind of you to say so. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/96 "2009-07-15T16:37:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It is very [del]assholish[/del] kind of you to say so. > > Regards, > Shodan Well, you know, as long as we understand each other… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/97 "2009-07-15T17:15:54Z")
Get a room. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/98 "2009-07-15T17:45:13Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Thanks for the heads-up. This didn’t strike me as much of an example of good snark. He tried something, it didn’t work, he threw out a rather generic Parthian shot, and there’s an end of it. > > Good snark needs to point out that I have a small penis or something. > > Not that I do, mind you. > > Regards, > Shodan You’re the one throwing around the weak stuff. In your world if I clean up some trash and someone comes over to help we’ve suddenly got a coordinated clean up crew. Maybe we were even stalking the trash. I’m sure it makes you feel all puffed up to stand up to the “bullies” and “cyberstalkers” even if you have to squint and twist to see them. What a hero. :rolleyes: Enjoy my humble regards, Cloudy ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/99 "2009-07-15T18:00:36Z")
I can say for certain that I am not a snarker, but I posted this a while back to (yet another) pit thread about **Liberal** : > [@](#): > > I’m going to ask this question again, although I know I’m whistling into the dark here, because the question has been asked and not answered probably a thousand times over the past few years. What the fuck does Liberal need to do before he gets banned? The guy has lied about being banned here, lied about being banned at other places, lied about socking at other places, lied about being near death for Og’s sake, posted myriad "fuck you"s at the admin and mods here and elsewhere, and started more drama than any poster in the history of this board. I’m straining to think of anybody else who could get away with even ONE of the above without getting hit by the ban stick. > > I’d say Liberal has pictures of Ed Zotti felching a goat, maybe that would explain it. But, Keeeeey-rist, every time the guy posts an overblown “I can’t take you losers anymore and I’m outta here and you turds can blow a fat one and maybe I’m gonna die and BTW fuck you all sideways” instead of the whole board going “Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya” a certain section of this place is tearful at his departure! And, when he inevitably returns a little while later, pretending nothing happened and acting just as he ever did, that same section of the Dope welcomes him back with open arms! Honestly, I don’t get it. All you people who are falling over him in this thread and others, did you feel the same way when he told us “fuck you, I don’t need you anymore” and “I don’t need to hang around on this board with idiots like you”? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829/100 "2009-07-15T18:09:01Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > All you people who are falling over him in this thread and others, did you feel the same way when he told us “fuck you, I don’t need you anymore” and “I don’t need to hang around on this board with idiots like you”? Watch out! I think they are coordinated! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zhenka/502829.md?page=6)