# Zimmerman makes the news again. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 22, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222 "2013-07-22T18:11:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/81 "2013-09-09T22:56:38Z")
In her 911 call, she said George Zimmerman punched her dad in the nose, knocking his glasses off and leaving a mark on his face, and was also touching his gun and asking them to come closer. It’s not clear if the gun fondling occurred in the house during the altercation or while George was sitting in his car outside the residence, or both. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/82 "2013-09-09T23:37:13Z")
Merged duplicate threads. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/83 "2013-09-10T05:25:08Z")
Just my opinion: He got away with murder once and now believes he’s bullet proof. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/84 "2013-09-10T05:43:09Z")
It’s no surprise that the whole Zimmerman family is coming apart. They’ve been under incredible stress for a year and half. I’m sure they are still getting constant death threats. I know his parents had to flee their retirement home because the address was sent out over twitter. He’s jobless and probably bored out of his mind. That’s probably why he’s been pulled over on the highway driving. Now his marriage is falling apart. I hope he can pull it together and make a new life. Right now he’s still free falling. It may be a long, long way down before he comes back up. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/85 "2013-09-10T08:09:18Z")
It’s the wife’s fault for wearing a hoodie. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/86 "2013-09-10T10:15:27Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Now his marriage is falling apart. You may not have intended it to sound like this, but I think the cause-and-effect is wrong here. It was falling apart before the shooting, and his wife said that they’d argued the night of the Martin killing, which is why she wasn’t around when it happened. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/87 "2013-09-10T11:17:19Z")
> [@LMarie](#): > > It’s rather ironic that had the good Samaritan in this instance been wearing a hoodie and walking through Z’s neighborhood his “look” that would have made Z suspicious of him. It’s neither ironic nor a useful observation. > [@LMarie](#): > > Zimmerman is still a murderer, though. No number of good deeds will erase this fact. Unfortunately, he is a murderer who had the law on his side. Then actually he’s not a murderer, is he? ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/88 "2013-09-10T12:56:27Z")
> [@Lion](#): > > Watching the Zimmerman haters scramble to find ways to further demonize him leaves me tickled. > > The cognitive dissonance they must experience from the media’s hit job against him and the emerging truth that he’s a normal, innocent guy must be maddening. so much for that :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/89 "2013-09-10T13:10:28Z")
I think Zimmerman’s obituary is going to end with some variation of “Then he tried it on Rorschach… and Rorschach dropped him down an elevator shaft.” ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/90 "2013-09-10T13:35:58Z")
Sooner or later you just know the WWE is going to come knocking on George’s door. Now THAT is a pay-per-view event I would actually pay for. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/91 "2013-09-10T13:43:45Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > In her 911 call, she said George Zimmerman punched her dad in the nose, knocking his glasses off and leaving a mark on his face, and was also touching his gun and asking them to come closer. It’s not clear if the gun fondling occurred in the house during the altercation or while George was sitting in his car outside the residence, or both. And subsequent police interviews with the media have said that she was lying; no gun was involved. Your comments on that development? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/92 "2013-09-10T14:02:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And subsequent police interviews with the media have said that she was lying; no gun was involved. > > Your comments on that development? Clearly, someone is lying. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/93 "2013-09-10T14:34:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And subsequent police interviews with the media have said that she was lying. Yea, but it’s not like she’s a convicted liar. [Oh, wait a second…](http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/28/20231239-george-zimmermans-wife-pleads-guilty-to-perjury-apologizes-to-judge?lite) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/94 "2013-09-10T14:38:28Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Clearly, someone is lying. I agree. Is there some reason to trust one story over the other, given that someone is lying? And if there is a reason, is the reason **Crafter\_Man** suggests a good one? It seems to me the answer is no – there’s no good reason to credit any given story at this point. But if one felt one simply had to adopt a belief in one story, I’d say the usual formula is that convicted perjurers are not typically seen as paragons of truth. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/95 "2013-09-10T14:46:33Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I agree. > > Is there some reason to trust one story over the other, given that someone is lying? It depends on the source of information. I don’t know who told the police there was no gun, but Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara confirmed to [Anderson Cooper on CNN last night](http://www.mediaite.com/tv/atty-mark-omara-on-new-zimmerman-drama-still-suffering-from-media-spotlight/) that Zimmerman did indeed have a gun on him at the time of the incident: > [@](#): > > O’Mara confirmed that Zimmerman had a gun on him, explaining the details of the altercation and how a friend of Zimmerman’s intervened to keep things relatively calm. So, either O’Mara is lying, or the police source is lying. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/96 "2013-09-10T14:55:59Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It depends on the source of information. I don’t know who told the police there was no gun, but Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara confirmed to [Anderson Cooper on CNN last night](http://www.mediaite.com/tv/atty-mark-omara-on-new-zimmerman-drama-still-suffering-from-media-spotlight/) that Zimmerman did indeed have a gun on him at the time of the incident:So, either O’Mara is lying, or the police source is lying. Nope – both might be true. The police source said a gun wasn’t “involved.” That could mean O’Mara’s comment is true. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/97 "2013-09-10T15:13:23Z")
O’Mara said "There were some reports that he did not have a gun, but he did"[at about 1:55 in this video](http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/09/10/ac-zimmerman-incident.cnn.html). So somebody was reporting had no gun. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/98 "2013-09-10T15:36:50Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > O’Mara said "There were some reports that he did not have a gun, but he did"[at about 1:55 in this video](http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/09/10/ac-zimmerman-incident.cnn.html). So somebody was reporting had no gun. Perhaps so – but in post 91, I specifically mentioned police reports that claimed a gun wasn’t involved. And of course this isn’t a binary situation: someone may well have claimed no gun was present; others that no gun was involved; still others that a gun was used. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/99 "2013-09-10T15:41:54Z")
The police reports are conflicted as well; Fox is reporting [police said there was no gun](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/10/police-chief-zimmerman-wife-backtracks-on-gun-threat-wont-press-charges-against/) on Zimmerman. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222/100 "2013-09-10T15:56:26Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The police reports are conflicted as well; Fox is reporting [police said there was no gun](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/10/police-chief-zimmerman-wife-backtracks-on-gun-threat-wont-press-charges-against/) on Zimmerman. Not only that: > [@](#): > > “We didn’t find a gun,” Lake Mary police spokesman Zach Hudson said late Monday night. “We didn’t find anything that indicated he had a gun on his person.” > “She basically said he made a movement that would be consistent with a movement someone would make if they had a gun,” Hudson added. I can understand someone in a panic on the phone with 911, and then upon calmer, safer reflection acknowledging that there was no actual gun in view – just a gesture. Of course, I can also imagine someone explicitly _claiming_ to have a gun and threatening his estranged wife, even if he didn’t have one. But the fact remains that my imagination is not a substitute for actual facts. And so far as I can tell, there is no compelling reason to adopt belief in one story over another at present. Do you agree? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zimmerman-makes-the-news-again/664222.md?page=6)