# Zoid, a full response to your lame-ass analogy **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456 "2014-09-04T07:35:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/81 "2014-09-04T17:22:42Z")
Here’s a bunch of examples of Czarcasm trolling by calling “CITE??” on stuff he’s too lazy or stupid to look up himself. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13409127&postcount=3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13409127&postcount=3) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15151935&postcount=3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15151935&postcount=3) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14260547&postcount=4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14260547&postcount=4) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16671468&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16671468&postcount=2) The last one is my personal fave of them. Someone wants to know if some UFO type guy is for reals, and rather than get off his ass, he demands a cite for who the person _is_. So–this is why I’m not playing the game with him. In addition to threadshitting everywhere, junior modding and in general being a socially-inept loser who can’t converse with adults, he’s a troll who plays the “Cite” game whenever he wants to disrupt a thread. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/82 "2014-09-04T17:23:23Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Is there a reason **Mangetout’s** pitting of **Zoid** became a pitting of **Czarcasm**? > > Yep. Do you have an answer to my question in post #71? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/83 "2014-09-04T17:28:13Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Here’s a bunch of examples of Czarcasm trolling by calling “CITE??” on stuff he’s too lazy or stupid to look up himself. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13409127&postcount=3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13409127&postcount=3) > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15151935&postcount=3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15151935&postcount=3) > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14260547&postcount=4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14260547&postcount=4) > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16671468&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16671468&postcount=2) > > The last one is my personal fave of them. Someone wants to know if some UFO type guy is for reals, and rather than get off his ass, he demands a cite for who the person _is_. > > So–this is why I’m not playing the game with him. In addition to threadshitting everywhere, junior modding and in general being a socially-inept loser who can’t converse with adults, he’s a troll who plays the “Cite” game whenever he wants to disrupt a thread. Yep, those are sure fine examples of an atheist pushing his point of view where it certainly doesn’t belong. :smack: You are one desperate dumb son of a bitch, I’ll give you that. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/84 "2014-09-04T17:28:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you have an answer to my question in post #71? Yeah, it was post #70. I told you what I thought you did wrong and your next post was asking me what I thought you did wrong. I didn’t respond to it because it was fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/85 "2014-09-04T17:35:25Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Yeah, it was post #70. I told you what I thought you did wrong and your next post was asking me what I thought you did wrong. > > I didn’t respond to it because it was fucking stupid. I asked you how I could have possibly responded correctly to your question, considering how you already felt about me. Is there an answer to that question? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/86 "2014-09-04T17:39:58Z")
Here’s another sample of the ~2500 hits that google shows for the sdmb where the search terms are “Czarcasm” and “Cite please” [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12162077&postcount=23](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12162077&postcount=23) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15235410&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15235410&postcount=2) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15640964&postcount=7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15640964&postcount=7) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14347926&postcount=26](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14347926&postcount=26) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15362009&postcount=23](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15362009&postcount=23) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15888711&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15888711&postcount=2) He’s either a lazy stupid troll who won’t do homework and thinks that hitting the “Cite please” macro on his keyboard will disrupt the discussion and/or he’s a lazy, stupid troll that thinks that hitting the “Cite please” macro on his keyboard make him win the whole discussion forevers. He can’t debate, he can’t research, he can’t communicate with normal humans. So he resorts to about 5 tactics, all of which are varieties of threadshitting. This one was the one with no moderator actions I could find so I picked this tactic of his to prove. Note that it won’t _do_ anything. He made his retarded call for a cite\*. I provided a bunch. He’ll say they’re off-topic, or that they don’t prove anything (probably in the form of a imbiclic socratic question like: “And what do you think these prove?”). \*There’s nothing wrong with a call for a cite now and then. But that’s Czarcasm’s constant (~2500 or so threads) opening gambit over and over. And a lot of the “cites” he wants aren’t for someone to prove a point, they’re for thread derailment or lazy-ass demands for basic info that normal humans would just look up. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/87 "2014-09-04T17:40:48Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is there a reason you didn’t bring this up with **Fenris** when he started talking shit about me, accusing me of things that, so far, he can’t back up? It’s a little late in the game for you to be playing concern-troll, don’t you think? I’m talking about your specific call out to **Fenris** on his past accusations in ATMB regarding your threadshitting: > [@Czarcasm](#): > > So let me get this straight. > Y’all don’t buy that I intended my post to refer to fictional depictions of God in various forms of the media(although some of you would have allowed such a submission from another poster), because I drop into threads unrelated to religious debate all the time and threadshit? > > _Bull shit._ > > Speaking of “free passes”, **Fenris** , it’s about time you quit hiding your sniping in ATMB and took it to The Pit, but now that you’re here, why don’t you put up or shut up and come up with all those examples of off-topic threadshitting you’re whining about? Everything **Fenris** posted in the thread up to that point was on the topic of the OP. His first post was about the shittiness of anti-religion threadshitting in threads that are only tangentially about religion. That post didn’t mention you at all. In response to a follow-up question by **Mangetout** , he listed you as an example of a person who threadshits in this fashion and gets away with it. You are the one who demanded that he go back and defend not just his assertion that you threadshit in the fictional character thread but the entirety past allegations of threadshitting. How is that relevant? If you didn’t threadshit in the fictional character thread, make the case. If you’re so butthurt about his past ATMB statements, why don’t you sack up and Pit him and stop shitting all over this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/88 "2014-09-04T17:43:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Yep, those are sure fine examples of an atheist pushing his point of view where it certainly doesn’t belong. :smack: Except that’s not what you asked me, you ball-less wonder. You said: > [@Czarcasm](#): > > why don’t you put up or shut up and come up with all those examples of off-topic threadshitting you’re whining about? All those fake calls for “Cite please?” _is_ off-topic threadshitting (including the one I just quoted from this thread) since you’re not actually looking for cites, but just trolling to derail the conversation. And there are ~2500 hits on Google to back me up. Looking at a few other prolific posters, I get results in the very low double digits. Their requests are legit. Yours (including this one) are threadshitting, trolling and generally bad-faith arguing from a scrofulous goat-fucker who couldn’t argue his way out of a wet paper sack. Ladies and gentlemen, can I call 'em or what? I provided cites, he lied and tried to convince himself that nobody could read what he actually demanded. This is why you don’t play the "Cite Please? game with Czarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/89 "2014-09-04T17:46:03Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Here’s another sample of the ~2500 hits that google shows for the sdmb where the search terms are “Czarcasm” and “Cite please” > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12162077&postcount=23](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12162077&postcount=23) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15235410&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15235410&postcount=2) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15640964&postcount=7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15640964&postcount=7) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14347926&postcount=26](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14347926&postcount=26) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15362009&postcount=23](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15362009&postcount=23) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15888711&postcount=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15888711&postcount=2) > > He’s either a lazy stupid troll who won’t do homework and thinks that hitting the “Cite please” macro on his keyboard will disrupt the discussion and/or he’s a lazy, stupid troll that thinks that hitting the “Cite please” macro on his keyboard make him win the whole discussion forevers. > > He can’t debate, he can’t research, he can’t communicate with normal humans. So he resorts to about 5 tactics, all of which are varieties of threadshitting. This one was the one with no moderator actions I could find so I picked this tactic of his to prove. Note that it won’t _do_ anything. He made his retarded call for a cite\*. I provided a bunch. He’ll say they’re off-topic, or that they don’t prove anything (probably in the form of a imbiclic socratic question like: “And what do you think these prove?”). > \*There’s nothing wrong with a call for a cite now and then. But that’s Czarcasm’s constant (~2500 or so threads) opening gambit over and over. And a lot of the “cites” he wants aren’t for someone to prove a point, they’re for thread derailment or lazy-ass demands for basic info that normal humans would just look up. Did we forget what we were asked to provide, namely all those cites where you said I crudely insert unwanted atheistic snark into unrelated threads ? Maybe if you wrote it down on a piece of paper first, you won’t get distracted and go looking for other unrelated things again. Off you go. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/90 "2014-09-04T17:48:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I asked you how I could have possibly responded correctly to your question, considering how you already felt about me. Is there an answer to that question? Alright, I’m going to have to talk to you like a child. What you should have said is something like “In no way did I mean to denigrate anybody’s religious beliefs, but because **Zeldar’s** OP asked for numbers, I thought the sheer number of videos on Youtube makes a point. I know, **monkey** , that you don’t buy the sheer numbers argument, but it’s the truth.” Something like that would have been fine. It is possible to stand up for yourself and post a defense that addresses a possible misunderstanding without resorting to “why is everybody picking on me?” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/91 "2014-09-04T17:48:54Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Except that’s not what you asked me, you ball-less wonder. You said: > All those fake calls for “Cite please?” _is_ off-topic threadshitting. > > Ladies and gentlemen, can I call 'em or what? I provided cites, he lied and tried to convince himself that nobody could read what he actually demanded. This is why you don’t play the "Cite Please? game with Czarcasm. Are you saying the complaint _wasn’t_ about my inserting atheistic snark in threads where it wasn’t wanted? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/92 "2014-09-04T17:49:44Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Get Miller to say that it’s ok to point out your ongoing hijacks (some of which resulted in mod-notes or warnings and/or are discussed in ATMB), and I’ll produce a couple of them right away. [Moderating] If you want to dig up links demonstrating that **Czarcasm** is a thread-shitting asshole, go ahead. Just justify why its a bad thing on your own terms, without reference to whether or not the post violated a board rule. Even if you post a neutral “cite” to the rules, you’re inviting the other party to explain why his behavior was not or should not be covered under that rule, and someone else jumps in to say why that poster is wrong about that rule, and someone else says the rule doesn’t make sense in the first place, and the next thing you know, North America is an irradiated wasteland populated by mutants fighting over expired cans of Fancy Feast. In short: “Here’s where you brought up nonsense that’s unrelated to the OP, which is why you’re an asshole,” is fine. “Here’s where you brought up nonsense that’s unrelated to the OP, and here’s the warning you got for it, which is why you’re an asshole,” is what I’m trying to avoid here. And the converse applies, too - “There’s nothing wrong with that post because I didn’t get a warning,” is also out. Basically, act as if whatever it is you’re accusing **Czarcasm** of is completely okay by the standards of the board, and you should be okay. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/93 "2014-09-04T17:51:26Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > Alright, I’m going to have to talk to you like a child. > > What you should have said is something like “In no way did I mean to denigrate anybody’s religious beliefs, but because **Zeldar’s** OP asked for numbers, I thought the sheer number of videos on Youtube makes a point. I know, **monkey** , that you don’t buy the sheer numbers argument, but it’s the truth.” > > Something like that would have been fine. It is possible to stand up for yourself and post a defense that addresses a possible misunderstanding without resorting to “why is everybody picking on me?” Oh, I see. In that case, you can take your childish demand and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. I’m done trying to tapdance for you. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/94 "2014-09-04T17:53:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] and the next thing you know, North America is an irradiated wasteland populated by mutants fighting over expired cans of Fancy Feast. You mean like Walmart? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/95 "2014-09-04T17:57:11Z")
Hold on, I’m confused. Is “Cite please” now considered threadshitting by _everyone_, or just **Czar**? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/96 "2014-09-04T17:59:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Oh, I see. In that case, you can take your childish demand and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. I’m done trying to tapdance for you. I don’t want you to tapdance. I want you to stop being a spineless asshole. Own and explain what you say. If there is a misunderstanding, own the fact that you might have phrased something wrong. Then explain what your intent was, and be prepared to defend that without hiding behind invective. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/97 "2014-09-04T18:04:53Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > I don’t want you to tapdance. I want you to stop being a spineless asshole. > > Own and explain what you say. If there is a misunderstanding, own the fact that you might have phrased something wrong. Then explain what your intent was, and be prepared to defend that without hiding behind invective. You call me names, you call me a liar, and you want me to defend myself. Who the fuck do you think _you_ are? ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/98 "2014-09-04T18:06:26Z")
Dear **Mangetout** , I think your OP is right on target and post # 15 is wonderful. And **Novelty Bobbie** is really right on in post 7. The rest of you offenderati have wandered off into a discussion about whether **Czarcasm** is a threadshitter of the worst kind. I have to say, none of you came off well, especially the monkey who is apparently only armed with insults. But, to summarize, there is nothing “bullying” about saying God is fictional. There is nothing insulting about it. There is no intent to “bully” or “insult” people who believe that their God is real (as opposed to all the fictional ones). This is not rocket science, folks. Get over yourselves! ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/99 "2014-09-04T18:06:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are you saying the complaint _wasn’t_ about my inserting atheistic snark in threads where it wasn’t wanted? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > why don’t you put up or shut up and come up with all those examples of **off-topic threadshitting** you’re whining about? (emphasis, mine) So, yes. Your complaint was that I didn’t provide examples of off-topic threadshitting. I just provided a tiny fraction of the ~2500 hits that Google gave doing _exactly_ what you demanded. Again, ladies and gentlemen, the Amazing Fenrisi is _always_ right! Czaar tried to distract from the topic, he lied about what he _just now asked for proof of_ ("off topic threadshitting) and as I predicted in post 86, the Tardgasm resorts to his “stupid socratic-esque question” threadshit. > [@The Amazing Fenrisi](#): > > He’ll say they’re off-topic, or that they don’t prove anything (probably in the form of a imbiclic socratic question like: “And what do you think these prove?”). ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456/100 "2014-09-04T18:07:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You call me names, you call me a liar, and you want me to defend myself. > Who the fuck do you think _you_ are? Actually, he’s giving you common sense advice on how to post on a message board and not have everyone think you’re an asshole. It’s not exactly surprising that you aren’t interested in hearing it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoid-a-full-response-to-your-lame-ass-analogy/697456.md?page=6)