# Zoinks, dougie\_monty, what's your problem? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 15, 2009, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929 "2009-02-15T09:18:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/21 "2009-02-16T17:14:49Z")
> [@dougie\_monty](#): > > I was not a real fan of the Scooby-Doo series in the 70s Then why the hell are you defending him as staunchly and loud-mouthedly as, say, Bill O’Reilly defends the Republican Party or Bill Donohue defends the Catholic Church? > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > Don’t watch [The Venture Brothers] unless you have a wide-open approach to “parody” of characters. The same thing could easily be said about _South Park_, _Family Guy_, _Saturday Night Live_, _Robot Chicken_, _MAD_ Magazine, practically any parody of a character on the Internet (some more well-done than others), those horrid Friedberg/Selzer “Fill-in-the-Blank” Movies, this very message board, and many other sources of parody. > [@dougie\_monty](#): > > could you imagine Mr. Chips in the mold of Simon Legree? The better analogy would be “Simon Legree in the mold of Mr. Chips,” because as you continually fail to understand, the parody depiction in question is Son of Sam and Harvey et al. as Shaggy and Scooby et al., not Shaggy and Scooby et al. as Son of Sam and Harvey et al. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/22 "2009-02-16T17:19:54Z")
Now hurry. No one’s defended Carol Burnett’s cruel and darkly sinister [lampooning of Scarlett O’Hara’s curtain dress](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGpeqgrAIwE). I used to mock people who wore awful hand me downs when I was younger, before my sense of right and wrong were in place. I now know how cruel I was being to laugh so. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/23 "2009-02-16T17:33:49Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Now hurry. No one’s defended Carol Burnett’s cruel and darkly sinister [lampooning of Scarlett O’Hara’s curtain dress](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGpeqgrAIwE). I used to mock people who wore awful hand me downs when I was younger, before my sense of right and wrong were in place. I now know how cruel I was being to laugh so. Indeed. And what about Mel Brooks’s depiction of Adolf Hitler as a bumbing hippie (and his later update depicting him as a flamboyant gay man)? Indeed, it was wrong of me to laugh at such a depiction when I was younger. Now that I have a sense of ethics, I know the truth. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/24 "2009-02-17T07:18:57Z")
_Orignally posted by mobo85 The better analogy would be “Simon Legree in the mold of Mr. Chips,” because as you continually fail to understand, the parody depiction in question is Son of Sam and Harvey et al. as Shaggy and Scooby et al., not Shaggy and Scooby et al. as Son of Sam and Harvey et al._ :rolleyes: I am not of a mind to bandy words. What I meant is that I would resent seeing Mr. Chips portrayed as if he were actually Simon Legree. Does that make it clearer? And if the Venture Brothers characters are “serial killers,” or whatever, passing themselves off as Scooby-Doo character wannabes–if that’s what you’re getting at–Then I would say I have cause to object. But I’m not sure that is what is being expressed (And before you ask, I don’t have cable TV, just broadcast). I am content to drop the issue and regard those characters as the pearls and myself as the swine. It’s less stressful to me than attempting to acquire the sophistication necessary to appreciate them as anyone else might. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/25 "2009-02-17T08:14:29Z")
See? ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/26 "2009-02-17T14:55:38Z")
**Dougie** doesn’t it make you wonder _at all_ why absolutely no one is agreeing with you? I’m not trying to appeal to the public, but all I’m saying is… maybe you really aren’t getting it? Maybe there’s something _you_ are missing? ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/27 "2009-02-17T19:22:11Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > **Dougie** doesn’t it make you wonder _at all_ why absolutely no one is agreeing with you? I’m not trying to appeal to the public, but all I’m saying is… maybe you really aren’t getting it? Maybe there’s something _you_ are missing? Good luck changing his mind. As a public service, I refer you to [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=271878) thread, in which **Dougie** refutes all personal experience about the effects of LSD in favor of a scare-tactic drug class he took in high school in 1965, and an episode of _Dragnet_ that he saw in 1967, which he seems to think is a documentary. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/28 "2009-02-17T19:33:21Z")
**dougie\_monty** , you have yet to explain why you bumped a two-year-old thread to complain vociferously about a parody – which you now say you never even watched in context – of a show you didn’t even like. Also, if you have indeed once admitted that you don’t have a sense of humor (and judging from your posts, I definitely believe it!), isn’t it possible that you can’t adequately judge a parody _intended_ as humor? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/29 "2009-02-17T19:52:40Z")
It also seriously makes me wonder why he hasn’t pitted more stuff. Honestly, without even trying, I’ve come across edgier stuff on the Internet and on TV. Granted, that’s because I like satire, but people have been parodying and satirizing pop culture for years. And this was a pretty mild example. **dougie monty** ’s head would explode if he saw them portraying Cookie Monster as a drug addict on “Family Guy.” Or Bert and Ernie as a gay couple (also on “Family Guy”). “Bert! You’re yelling, Bert!” ETA: and **Morbo**. I beg to differ about the Dragnet ep being the most hilarious depiction of drug use. That honor goes to the caffeine pills episode of “Saved by the Bell.” (They didn’t have the gumption to actually use a moderately frightening substance?) ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/30 "2009-02-17T20:04:26Z")
Anyone that didn’t know years ago that Velma was a lesbian just wasn’t paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/31 "2009-02-17T20:22:37Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > (They didn’t have the gumption to actually use a moderately frightening substance?) [nitpick] while SbtB was a horrible piece of crap, caffeine really is some scary shit. It’s addictive, causes withdrawal that can be nasty, and is absolutely lethal once you start counting it in grams. [/nitpick] ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/32 "2009-02-17T20:26:57Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > [nitpick] while SbtB was a horrible piece of crap, caffeine really is some scary shit. It’s addictive, causes withdrawal that can be nasty, and is absolutely lethal once you start counting it in grams. [/nitpick] Wow, was Jessie taking that many? It’s been a few years since I actually saw the whole thing. I thought she was only taking a few pills here and there. They made it seem like it was amphetamine-level-scary. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/33 "2009-02-17T20:49:43Z")
To be honest, I have no idea. Been a while since I amused myself after school with that piece of crap. But, let’s see… NoDoze has, IIRC, about 200mg of caffeine per pill (roughly equal to a single cup of coffee). (One cup of coffee per day, by the way, is enough to cause addiction and lead to some pretty nasty withdrawal symptoms if you stop). Erowid estimates the LD 50 at anywhere from 3-20 grams (not exact, I know). So a handfulll of NoDoze could probably kill someone if the circumstances were right. That being said, Caffeine isn’t as scary as amphetamines unless you are talking about it in grams. Then it’s baaaaaaaaaad shit. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/34 "2009-02-17T21:00:50Z")
Ahh. Creepy. I’ll stick with my no caffeine policy then. Thanks, **FinnAgain**. Can we agree it was ridiculous that the Saved by the Bell gang had a sip of beer (or was it one can?) and then got into an accident that was attributed to the dangers of drunk driving? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/35 "2009-02-17T21:05:30Z")
Yeah, SbtB was utter crap that got all DARE-esque when it tried to get preachy. And, just so I can throw a cite out on this: [ > [@](#): > > A new study that analyzes some 170 years’ worth of research concludes that caffeine withdrawal is very real — producing enough physical symptoms and a disruption in daily life to classify it as a psychiatric disorder. Researchers are suggesting that caffeine withdrawal should be included in the next edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), considered the bible of mental disorders. > […] > Griffiths’ analysis shows as little as one cup of coffee can cause an addiction, and withdrawal from caffeine produces any of five clusters of symptoms in some people: > > ``` > * Headache, the most common symptom, which affects at least of 50 percent of people in caffeine withdrawal > * Fatigue or drowsiness > * "Unhappy" mood, depression, or irritability > * Difficulty concentrating > * Flu-like symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, muscle pain, and stiffness. > > ``` > > “Onset of these symptoms typically occurs within 12 to 24 hours of stopping caffeine and peaks one to two days after stopping,” Griffiths tells WebMD. “The duration is between two and nine days.” ]([http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/30/health/webmd/main646620.shtml](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/30/health/webmd/main646620.shtml)) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/36 "2009-02-17T21:12:52Z")
I think this is the first time we’ve ever had one Doper pit another over Scooby Doo. [This is the only other Scooby-related Pit thread, as far as I know.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=129034) I can understand not liking the Venture Brothers and all that, but I can’t imagine how a non-Scooy Doo fan got that worked up over it, **dougie\_monty**. ---
**Author:** ![Borborygmi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/borborygmi/32/217_2.png) [@Borborygmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Borborygmi)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/37 "2009-02-17T21:28:39Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [This is the only other Scooby-related Pit thread, as far as I know.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=129034) And that one is about Scrappy Doo. Unlike this one, it’s a pitting just about anyone can get behind. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/38 "2009-02-17T22:56:27Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I can understand not liking the Venture Brothers and all that, [\<_SNIP_\> I can’t. In fact, I’m kinda jonesin’ for season four to show its face. Sorry about the reference to “jonesin’,” **dougie\_monty**. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/39 "2009-02-17T23:29:30Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I can’t. In fact, I’m kinda jonesin’ for season four to show its face. > > Sorry about the reference to “jonesin’,” **dougie\_monty**. It’s this fall, right? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929/40 "2009-02-17T23:40:02Z")
That doesn’t seem very fair. We didn’t get a new season last fall, IIRC. Or am I mis-remembering? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoinks-dougie_monty-whats-your-problem/485929.md?page=3)