# 'Zoo Brothels' in Europe? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 14, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131 "2018-12-14T17:57:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jim\_B](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jim_b/32/4338_2.png) [@Jim\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_B)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/1 "2018-12-14T17:57:33Z")
As many of you may already know, Vladimir Putin has a strangle-hold on the Russian media. The whole media is basically controlled by him, and thus he controls people’s thoughts and beliefs too. Must’ve been what George Orwell was talking about in _1984_. Anyways, people’s views in Russia are often all wrong for that reason. Information on homosexuals and other places, is very inaccurate there, for example. They were even doing a story on this on _Prime Time Live_. Or was it _Dateline NBC_? Anyways, I don’t remember and that’s not important. But they were interviewing this Russian man. And he was lamenting how liberal and licentious they were in western Europe. And get this, he said they have “zoo brothels” there too. I know most of what he was fed by the Russian media was obviously false. But “zoo brothels”? Where on earth did he even get that information from? Did they ever have those in any part of Europe? Do they in fact have that anyplace anywhere in the world? I think if they did, it would be deplorable. I am in favor of anything involving consenting adults, mind you. But those poor animals, if that’s true. But this is GQ. So I am only looking for a factual answer: Where would you find “zoo brothels” anywhere in the world? And do/did they have them in Europe? :):)🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/2 "2018-12-14T18:02:02Z")
> [@](#): > > They were even doing a story on this on Prime Time Live. Or was it Dateline NBC? **Anyways, I don’t remember and that’s not important**. (bolding mine) It is if we want to hear what was actually said, and by whom. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/3 "2018-12-14T18:05:23Z")
Googling Zoo Brothel turns up a disturbingly large number of hits, most from sites I have no intention of visiting. Here’s one of the tamer ones. It might be wise to take this with a grain of salt: > **[Bestiality brothels are 'spreading through Germany' warns campaigner as...](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352779/Bestiality-brothels-spreading-Germany-campaigner-claims-abusers-sex-animals-lifestyle-choice.html)** > > Animal protection officer Madeleine Martin said that current laws were not protecting animals from predatory zoophililes, and the problem of 'erotic zoos' is getting worse. > [@](#): > > Bestiality brothels are spreading through Germany faster than ever thanks to a law that makes animal porn illegal but sex with animals legal, a livestock protection officer has warned. > Madeleine Martin told the Frankfurter Rundschau that current laws were not protecting animals from predatory zoophiles who are increasingly able to turn to bestiality as a ‘lifestyle choice’. > She highlighted one case where a farmer in the Gross-Gerau region of southwest Germany, noticed his once friendly flock of sheep were beginning to shy away from human contact. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_B](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jim_b/32/4338_2.png) [@Jim\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_B)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/4 "2018-12-14T18:06:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > (bolding mine) It is if we want to hear what was actually said, and by whom. I honestly don’t remember, and probably won’t ever be able to:). But the basic premise is, they apparently believe (in Russia) there are zoo brothels in Europe. How valid is that statement? Do they in fact have them anywhere in the world? ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/5 "2018-12-14T18:18:48Z")
While I cannot comment on the European question, this is a “thing” we had to deal with in my state about 15 years ago due to unintended consequences due to changes in the law decades earlier. > **[Enumclaw horse sex case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case)** > > The Enumclaw horse sex case was a series of incidents in 2005 involving Kenneth D. Pinyan, an engineer who worked for Boeing and resided in Gig Harbor, Washington; James Michael Tait, a truck driver; and other unidentified men. Pinyan and Tait filmed and distributed zoophilic pornography of Pinyan receiving anal sex from a stallion under the alias "Mr. Hands". After engaging in this activity on multiple occasions over an unknown span of time, Pinyan received fatal internal injuries in The stor... It was not common, or generally considered acceptable at all. But propaganda typically doesn’t care about that. Typically the owners of the animals are not aware of the events in the cases I know about. ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/6 "2018-12-14T19:58:58Z")
I always remember hearing about donkey shows in Tijuana, but the internet can only confirm that rumors of them exist, no site in my brief googling would confirm or deny they exist and I am not willing to research it much further. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/7 "2018-12-14T20:12:08Z")
It’s not difficult to find photos and videos of people raping various animals, but an actual “brothel” where people can pay to have their way? Just rumors as far as I can tell. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/8 "2018-12-14T22:12:08Z")
Say you’re a bull, stallion, or boar on out of town business. Your evening’s kind of lonely, and you want some excitement. So you going to pick up the first cow, mare, or sow streethoofer you run across? Maybe, but if you have a few extra euros in your pocket, you hie yourself to Madam Zoozoo’s Maison de Zoophilique for some quality barnyard fun. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/9 "2018-12-14T22:26:01Z")
Remember, Kiddys! Be sure to clear your browser history! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/10 "2018-12-14T22:44:36Z")
I remember years ago, hearing from a young friend who returned from a trip to Europe. He had gone to the red light district of Amsterdam, and he mentioned that there were sections with prostitutes on display in storefront windows – they were sitting in these windows reading a book or watching TV, while wearing scanty robes, pajamas, etc. He remarked that going down this street was like walking through a zoo of women prostitutes! Could the OP possibly be referring to something like this? ---
**Author:** ![yo\_han\_go](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yo_han_go/32/130_2.png) [@yo\_han\_go](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yo_han_go)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/11 "2018-12-14T23:54:58Z")
I bet they have zoo brothels in Russia too. They just do not call them that. They call them “farms.” (or “Duma” If I wanted to be really chaotic evil.) ---
**Author:** ![Bones\_Daley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@Bones\_Daley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bones_Daley)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/12 "2018-12-15T01:49:06Z")
Denmark definitely had (or maybe has …I have no intention of researching ) establishments in which bestiality was permitted and legally condoned. Hopefully such is no longer the case. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/13 "2018-12-15T05:35:55Z")
It was on John Oliver a week or two ago. > **[r/lastweektonight - Authoritarianism: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)](https://www.reddit.com/r/lastweektonight/comments/9yem8j/authoritarianism_last_week_tonight_with_john/)** > > 285 votes and 45 comments so far on Reddit About 7:45 or so on the video. Completely safe for work. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/14 "2018-12-15T05:42:01Z")
> [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](#): > > I remember years ago, hearing from a young friend who returned from a trip to Europe. He had gone to the red light district of Amsterdam, and he mentioned that there were sections with prostitutes on display in storefront windows – they were sitting in these windows reading a book or watching TV, while wearing scanty robes, pajamas, etc. He remarked that going down this street was like walking through a zoo of women prostitutes! > > Could the OP possibly be referring to something like this? No. As has already been described, the term refers to places where bestiality is (supposedly) on offer. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/15 "2018-12-15T06:50:34Z")
OP answered his own question. Someone, somewhere, made it up to persuade gullible people that western Europe (or anywhere else in the world that the Russian powers that be considers a potential competing pole of attraction for their people’s interest and aspirations) is a sinkhole of depravity/corruption/misery/exploitation, etc., etc. Just as in the old days, they were happily encouraging the idea that Dickens was writing documentaries and that we still put little boys up chimneys and the like. ---
**Author:** ![bardos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bardos/32/1069_2.png) [@bardos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bardos)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/16 "2018-12-15T18:04:11Z")
> [@Jim\_B](#): > > As many of you may already know, Vladimir Putin has a strangle-hold on the Russian media. The whole media is basically controlled by him, and thus he controls people’s thoughts and beliefs too. Must’ve been what George Orwell was talking about in _1984_. Although the above statement reads as if factual, it is erroneous. Please read Vedomosti, Kommersant, Novaya Gazeta, Dozhd, The Moscow Times, et al. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_B](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jim_b/32/4338_2.png) [@Jim\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_B)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/17 "2018-12-15T20:29:48Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > OP answered his own question. Someone, somewhere, made it up to persuade gullible people that western Europe (or anywhere else in the world that the Russian powers that be considers a potential competing pole of attraction for their people’s interest and aspirations) is a sinkhole of depravity/corruption/misery/exploitation, etc., etc. > > Just as in the old days, they were happily encouraging the idea that Dickens was writing documentaries and that we still put little boys up chimneys and the like. Yeah I already know a little bit about the subject (I don’t live in a cave;)). But I was hoping my fellow dopers could tell me something I **don’t** know. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Atomic\_Alex](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atomic_alex/32/175_2.png) [@Atomic\_Alex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atomic_Alex)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zoo-brothels-in-europe/826131/18 "2018-12-15T20:46:31Z")
I don’t know about Zoo Brothels but certainly a couple of years ago a person/couple/group\* of people took the German authorities to court in an attempt to legalise bestiality. I was taken aback at the brazen lack of shame of these people. So there’s certainly the desire for it out there, and where there’s a market you can be sure someone tries to cater for it. \*I’m not googling to check the details.