# ZPG Zealot: A troll too far **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621 "2011-01-14T17:55:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/241 "2011-01-15T04:58:46Z")
Folks, take a deep breath. Think about this: **ZPG Zealot** masturbating. It’s got to have happened at least one time. I’m guessing she cries afterwords. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/242 "2011-01-15T05:20:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > WHAT?!?! :eek: > [@ZPGZealot](#): > > Would I have voted not guilty at the trail if your father had shot your mother? No, but there are plenty of circumstances when I would gladly nullify a jury for a man who kills his pregnant gold-digger or baby rabid sex partner rather than submit to 18 years of financial rape. To me that’s no different than shooting a robber breaking into your house or shooting a human trafficker trying to enslave you. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13255741&postcount=43](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13255741&postcount=43) > [@ZPGZealot](#): > > Forcing a woman to touch your hand is a physical act in the continuum of violence against woman just like rape. Shooting a pregnant woman or a child to avoid paying child support may in some circumstances be the moral equivalency of shooting a burgular breaking into your home or a mugger that tries to rob you on the street. Whether or not it’s murder, well that depends on whether or not you consider it moral to defend property. Some of people do, especially in circumstances were property is shared among family members and the loss of one members property can effect the lives of many. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13273352&postcount=427](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13273352&postcount=427) ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/243 "2011-01-15T05:30:42Z")
> [@ZPG Zealot](#): > > Forcing a woman to touch your hand is a physical act in the continuum of violence against woman just like rape. This attitude is just so whacked. By this theory, when I stroke my dog that’s just the beginning of a continuum of violence that ends with me punching him in the face. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/244 "2011-01-15T05:37:40Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Second quote in the OP (bolding mine): You are quibbling about her calling 9/11 bombings? > [@Meyer6](#): > > Translation: > Curlcoat: Those examples are not really that bad. > Villa: The only way you could think they were not that bad would be if you, like **ZPG Zealot** , were also bat-shit crazy. > **Curlcoat: Well, I think that they’re not that bad, therefore I must admit that I’m batshit crazy.** > > How the hell else do you read that? The way it was written. I have no idea how you got your interpretation from what I have bolded, since I told **Villa** that if s/he was responding to my post, s/he wasn’t making any sense. How do you get me admitting anything from that? > [@](#): > > As for the rest of it, what is it that makes you come into threads and defend people when you know nothing about them and haven’t read any of the linked material? Why do you care? Well, for one thing, I’m not defending anyone. For another, I did read the links. As for why I care, I dunno but for some reason when assholes like you jump to the absolute worst interpretation you possibly can, it irritates me. If I’m bored, I might post. What makes you decide that everyone who doesn’t think exactly like you must be evil and must be attacked? > [@DianaG](#): > > curlcoat knows the pain of being shunned by the notbatshitcrazy. She’s defending her bretheren. (Sisteren?) I am defending no one. I merely pointed out that from the examples given, **ZPG Zealot** did not appear batshit crazy. Subsequent examples have caused me to reassess my opinion, but far too often on this board people grab a sentence or a paragraph, misinterpret it and pig pile on the poster. I thought this was one of those times. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/245 "2011-01-15T05:40:53Z")
So how do you feel about a fist bump? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/246 "2011-01-15T05:48:06Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > You are quibbling about her calling 9/11 bombings? Referring to airliner crashes as “bombings” and now you asking if I’m quibbling strikes me that both of you are part of the “Truth” Movement. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/247 "2011-01-15T05:52:37Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Well, for one thing, I’m not defending anyone. For another, I did read the links. As for why I care, I dunno but for some reason when assholes like you jump to the absolute worst interpretation you possibly can, it irritates me. Oh, you read the links, did you? Then why were your earlier comments based only on small quotes in this thread? How did you not know that ZPG repeatedly claimed that adoptive parents forced children to call them Mom and Dad, since that was the very crux of that thread? How do you explain this?: > [@curlcoat](#): > > As I said, my comment was based on what you quoted. If she has actually said that adoptive parents routinely (I’m sure there are _some_ out there that do so) force their kids to call them Mom and Dad, then yes she is a nutter, at least on that subject. Also, perhaps \*\*Villa \*\*can come back and tell us what he meant by his comment but I don’t see any other way to interpret it than “if you think she’s not that bad, then you are batshit crazy yourself”. Which you then admitted you were. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/248 "2011-01-15T06:03:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Two bullets entered and exited my butt checks as a result of skirmish between Serbian and Muslim paramilitaries during the Serb/Bosnian conflict. The pain was incredible. I thought the lower half of my body had been severed. I thought I was dying (well, I would have died without medical attention) and was crying, telling my SO I loved him and asking him to tell other family members my good-byes up until the point that I was rendered unconscious. Afterwards it took weeks to recover though according to the doctor a lot of that was psychology (i.e., my injury wasn’t that bad, but my brain was telling me it was worse). If this is true, I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/249 "2011-01-15T06:03:49Z")
I’m just – I don’t even – what? I don’t think I’ve _ever_ in my life met anyone who believed that a man offering to shake a woman’s hand represents a violent intrusion. It seems so culturally _alien_ to me. I mean, I’ve met women who still shake hands in the dainty, old-fashioned way, but the thought that offering my hand to a woman is a presumptive imposition of physical force … I simply can’t begin to understand that. Female attorneys, doctors, therapists, professors, bosses – I’ve shaken hands with them all – it just seems, socially, like the thing to do when you’re meeting someone in a professional context. It’s one thing to say that one is not comfortable, as a matter of culture, making physical contact with a man. It seems another thing entirely to claim that – when I act as my culture tells me is the best way to be respectful toward women – I am asserting dominance and am more likely to be a rapist. If I were shaking hands with men in the same group as a woman, I would feel downright assholish _not_ offering to shake her hand, as if I thought she weren’t worthy of it. It wouldn’t occur to me that I was acting out the prelude to rape (or behaving as the john to her prostitute). Why specifically man-to-woman, anyway? Why doesn’t the same logic apply when a man offers to shake another man’s hand? That’s a serious question. It seems either you’re admitting that men and women are not to be treated as social equals, or no one should ever offer to shake another person’s hand. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/250 "2011-01-15T06:05:48Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > So how do you feel about a fist bump? Forced blowjob. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/251 "2011-01-15T06:14:35Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > Forced blowjob. Good to know. The only thing I have got out of this thread is that all of you that are shaking hands with prostitutes have been wasting your money. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/252 "2011-01-15T06:24:58Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > It’s one thing to say that one is not comfortable, as a matter of culture, making physical contact with a man. It seems another thing entirely to claim that – when I act as my culture tells me is the best way to be respectful toward women – I am asserting dominance and am more likely to be a rapist. If I were shaking hands with men in the same group as a woman, I would feel downright assholish _not_ offering to shake her hand, as if I thought she weren’t worthy of it. It wouldn’t occur to me that I was acting out the prelude to rape (or behaving as the john to her prostitute). I tried to pursue this line of thought pages ago. It would insult me if a man didn’t offer to shake my hand while going around shaking hands with all the men in the room. Fortunately for me I have never encountered a man who did this, a woman who was offended by handshaking, or even heard that it was something to worry about, at all. But as far as I can tell \*\*ZPG \*\*thinks all of us require ‘consciousness raising’ until we all realize how evil shaking hands is. Then we can all change over to her special brand of religious bigotry in which women are not the social equals of men, but instead are to be either put on a pedestal or denigrated as whores. So an entire culture should change to so that she doesn’t have to change. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/253 "2011-01-15T06:56:45Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Also, perhaps \*\*Villa \*\*can come back and tell us what he meant by his comment but I don’t see any other way to interpret it than “if you think she’s not that bad, then you are batshit crazy yourself”. Which you then admitted you were. It’s abso-bloody-lutely obvious what I meant. Which is what you understood. And the fact that **curly** didn’t understand it is an indication of the level of smarts we are dealing with there. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/254 "2011-01-15T07:44:18Z")
> [@villa](#): > > It’s abso-bloody-lutely obvious what I meant. Which is what you understood. And the fact that **curly** didn’t understand it is an indication of the level of smarts we are dealing with there. Excellent, thank you. I didn’t think your post was at all unclear myself, and I agree that only curly’s general ineptitude is the cause of her lack of understanding. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/255 "2011-01-15T08:01:40Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Referring to airliner crashes as “bombings” and now you asking if I’m quibbling strikes me that both of you are part of the “Truth” Movement. I don’t know what the “Truth” Movement is (and am not interested in looking it up). I’d say that referring to 9/11 as “airliner crashes” is not quite as close to what happened than “bombings”. The first sounds like an accident, the second a purposeful act of violence. > [@Meyer6](#): > > Oh, you read the links, did you? Then why were your earlier comments based only on small quotes in this thread? Because that’s all there was you dip. Go back and read the OP. > [@](#): > > How did you not know that ZPG repeatedly claimed that adoptive parents forced children to call them Mom and Dad, since that was the very crux of that thread? How do you explain this?: What thread? The link in the OP goes to one post. > [@villa](#): > > It’s abso-bloody-lutely obvious what I meant. Which is what you understood. And the fact that **curly** didn’t understand it is an indication of the level of smarts we are dealing with there. You pop in with a “I’m right, you are wrong and therefore crazy” post and I give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not that immature and stupid. Won’t make that mistake again. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/256 "2011-01-15T08:21:31Z")
Can we drop the curlcoat nonsense? I want to get back to ZPG. ---
**Author:** ![sandra\_nz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@sandra\_nz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sandra_nz)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/257 "2011-01-15T08:23:55Z")
What if I, as a woman, extend my hand first? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/258 "2011-01-15T08:27:42Z")
> [@sandra\_nz](#): > > What if I, as a woman, extend my hand first? Whore! ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/259 "2011-01-15T08:28:57Z")
> [@sandra\_nz](#): > > What if I, as a woman, extend my hand first? Everyone knows that New Zilanders don’t shake hands. How would our poor ZPG react to a nose-rubbing I wonder? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/260 "2011-01-15T08:37:12Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Can we drop the curlcoat nonsense? I want to get back to ZPG. Yeah, let’s get back to the insane non-handshaker. This episode of ‘The Curlcoat Show’ has become boring now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=14)