# ZPG Zealot: A troll too far **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621 "2011-01-14T17:55:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/301 "2011-01-15T18:01:43Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > The “good girl/whore” distinction should be replaced with the principle that every women should be treated with respect, not the idea that every women can be treated like a whore. Why are you working so hard to tear down other women? And working so hard to impose a narrow, oppresive culture on everybody else? When did respect and considerations for others become such a dirty thing in America? It occurs to me that the best way to handle a handshake rapist who’s threatening you by holding out his hand is to simply pull up your petticoats and spray him with your woman-sperm. That’ll larn him. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/302 "2011-01-15T18:02:44Z")
Look, **ZPG** is obviously a loon, but she’s answered the “forcing” question already. Society says that declining a handshake is a faux pas, therefore you’re “forced” to shake if someone extends their hand to you. Now, how that’s different from being forced to say “hello” to somebody that’s greeted you… ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/303 "2011-01-15T18:03:38Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Likewise, I have never had a woman confide in me that she felt insulted if a man didn’t stick his hand out at her. I have had many women confide in me how uncomfortable, humiliated and threatened, they have felt by men forcing to shake hands with them. I have known women that have quit their jobs and redrew from public and some who have become dangerously depressed over the lack of respect they have had to work under. I’m sure your imaginary friends agree with you quite often. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/304 "2011-01-15T18:06:37Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Etiquette is about respecting everyone’s differences, not imposing your whims on others. If you want someone to touch your hand as a casual greeting, ask politely, just like you ask someone to pass an object to you rather than reach over them to get it. It’s simple courtesy. My personal etiquette is that I like to spray my urine over women in greeting (like a tomcat) rather than shake their hands. It more properly identifies them as my submissive property me being part of the patriarchal smug white male culture. Since you believe in respecting everyone’s differences, you respect my differences, my culture right? You wouldn’t impose your whim-like objections on me, would you? ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/305 "2011-01-15T18:06:44Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If you win, do you claim the right to rape, loot and pillage? I claim their Firstborn. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/306 "2011-01-15T18:07:19Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Look, **ZPG** is obviously a loon, but she’s answered the “forcing” question already. Society says that declining a handshake is a faux pas, therefore you’re “forced” to shake if someone extends their hand to you. No, society has a perfectly cromulent solution for not shaking hands when one is offered. “I mean you no offense, but I don’t shake hands.” And, as we went over and over in the first thread about this, any person who doesn’t accept that with grace \*is \*a jerk. But that’s not most people, and being a jerk doesn’t mean you’re a rapist, either. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/307 "2011-01-15T18:22:30Z")
She might actually be onto something; think about it - hands, clapping, the clap…I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/308 "2011-01-15T18:33:33Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Whenever I see two men shaking hands for no real reason, I tend to think shallow character. No real reason? If you would just realize that your opinion is not shared by anyone else I would have no problem with it. You are a loon. There is a place in this world for loons I guess. But you do realize that the handshake has been the accepted greeting between equals in this culture for longer than can be accurately pinpointed. And it has spread to other cultures to. There is a reason. Its the culturally accepted greeting. Thats the reason. Any problem you have with that is in your head only. And for the record I have never seen or heard of any man shaking hands with a prostitute. Unless you are kinky that way. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/309 "2011-01-15T18:37:18Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Or, more accurately, “airliner crashes” sounds like the crash of airliners, which happened on 9/11, while “bombings” sounds like the deliberate explosion of bombs, which did not. > [@DianaG](#): > > It was, however, the deliberate explosion of airliners. Really, with all the legitimately ridiculous things she says, this is a silly thing to get nitpicky about. Also, boring. I demand that the fun be returned to this thread. Exactly. I just couldn’t believe that whoever it was ( **Lute Skywatcher**?) picked _that_ to bitch about. OTOH, I’ve seen the same sort of thing in other threads, so I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised. Pick some inane piece of a post out and complain about it or willfully misinterpret it. Is this the fun you speak of? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/310 "2011-01-15T18:41:11Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I vote not a troll. Just a whack job crazy person. > > She seems to want to return to a time when illegitimate children were always so identified so as not to expose the worthy to their uncleanliness! Yes, this is true. She believes that adopted people owe it to society to make their adoptive status public, so that people who don’t wish to interact with bastards will know to steer clear. You know, I’m all for multiculturalism, but her attitude really kind of shows the limits of it. If you are of a culture that cannot mix with the wider culture due to the fact that your culture’s mores are incompatible with the accepted behavior of everyone else, then it’s up to you to live within that subgroup and avoid everyone else if you don’t want to be offended. Trying to change the culture you’re trying to live in rather than adapting to it is tilting at windmills, and not worth your energy or time. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/311 "2011-01-15T18:50:39Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Exactly. I just couldn’t believe that whoever it was ( **Lute Skywatcher**?) picked _that_ to bitch about. OTOH, I’ve seen the same sort of thing in other threads, so I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised. Pick some inane piece of a post out and complain about it or willfully misinterpret it. Is this the fun you speak of? I actually don’t think it’s that wild of an interpretation, but knowing all of \*\*ZPG’s \*\* posting history may have something to do with why one’s mind might go there. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/312 "2011-01-15T19:01:44Z")
> [@Filbert](#): > > _woman and baby playing in house_ > ‘Hey non-related baby, sounds like your male guardian’s coming back from work!’ > _man enters_ > ‘How’s the little cuckoo and his female guardian’s day been?’ > > ‘Oh, we’ve had a lovely day, male co-guardian with whom I have a voluntary non-procreational sexual relationship! This baby here nearly managed to call me Mrs. Johnson! And I found out something fantastic, but first, how’s your day been? You look terrible’ > > ‘Oh yes female partner, I’ve had an awful day. Our new business partner started today; she’s female, despite the male dominated environment. Anyway, you remember Jones? He offered to shake her hand when she came in!’ > > ‘Oh my word!’ > > ‘Yes, wife, I dragged him off and phoned the police immediately, but they just don’t take sexual assult seriously… I assured her the other co-workers didn’t think she was a prostitute at all, but she must have been quite traumatised, she didn’t even speak to me for the rest of the day, despite the clear signal that I’m not a rapist, and well, because I threatened the patriachy, the boss has given me a written warning.’ > > ‘Oh, the poor woman. I suggest she gets herself to a healer or wise-woman as soon as she can, she must still be in denial..’ > > ‘Anyway female co-guardian , you and the non-related baby, what was the good news?’ > > ‘Oh well, I was looking into his true family’s history.. oh.. isn’t he so adorable, I just can’t understand why his mother never strangled him at birth…’ > > ‘I know co-guardian, but then, she was a heroin addict, one can’t expect her to make a rational decision, and maybe she wanted to be sure of having a spare kidney in later life, but do please carry on!’ > > ‘Well, I was looking through the hospital records, and I found out his real, true mother has a living half-sister! Yes, she’s 19 and in college!’ > > ‘Fantastic news female co-guardian! Well, don’t let’s waste a minute, I say we get drive down there straight away, and dump him on her doorstep! After all, he will share an average of 25% of her genetic material, so would obviously be the best person to care for a baby she doesn’t know exists!’ > > ‘Yes, isn’t it marvellous, I was so worried he might accidently call me ‘mom’, I mean, it’s such an easy word for a baby to accidently let slip out, then what would people think?’ > > _two adults and unconnected baby skip happily off to the car_ ROTFLMAO :D:D:D:D:D Actually, I have been raped twice, and both times the men were very disrespectful when I met them [both were essentially date rape] and acted _off_ but not so off that it really worried me. They didn’t offer to shake my hand [it was a fairly casual study group situation in college] and treated me like I was not worth the effort to be polite to. All the men who were polite, and offered me their hand, or stood up when I walked into the room were perfect gentlemen. I resent being told that I am firstly a whore, and that I need to treat all men like possible rapists. I look at being offered a handshake as acknowledgment of my equal status in their eyes. I also have worked long and hard at my professions and am proud of my education. ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/313 "2011-01-15T19:06:03Z")
Whenever a man offers a handshake I just cut to the chase and mace him. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/314 "2011-01-15T19:12:38Z")
And when she says mace, she means [mace.](http://vocabmadeeasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/mace.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/315 "2011-01-15T19:19:53Z")
And as the old song goes" > [@](#): > > A grazing mace how sweet the sound > That saved a wench like meeeeeeee ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/316 "2011-01-15T19:23:41Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > You know, I’m all for multiculturalism, but her attitude really kind of shows the limits of it. If you are of a culture that cannot mix with the wider culture due to the fact that your culture’s mores are incompatible with the accepted behavior of everyone else, then it’s up to you to live within that subgroup and avoid everyone else if you don’t want to be offended. Trying to change the culture you’re trying to live in rather than adapting to it is tilting at windmills, and not worth your energy or time. I call bullshit on the culture issue. I simply do not believe that there is a entire culture that believes the shit she spews. I believe that while she may be from a different culture, her personal views expressed here are not of that culture, but of her own whackjobness. But at this point, the simplest explanation is that she’s a lying-ass troll. Nobody could possibly have managed to create a life in this society with her opinions. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/317 "2011-01-15T19:33:26Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > Yes, but the women offered their hands first. A few older Southern women still do this. You can tell what the woman expects by the position of her hand. Sure. These ladies are a vanishing breed IME. > [@](#): > > Even the most modern professional woman, I think, doesn’t want a full firm-grip shake as between men (though, too, a growing fraction of pale-necked men offer limp finger-squeezes in place of a proper shake). I give as firm a grip as I’m able to without hurting the other person. I’ve had my hand grabbed awkwardly or pinched every now and then, but most professional people I meet these days give a medium-firm handshake, both men and women. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/318 "2011-01-15T19:54:16Z")
Let’s hope she never attends a [Catholic Mass](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_peace#Contemporary_practices). All the male parishiners are rapists!!! I wonder what happens if a woman falls down – is it considered “abusive” if a man offers you his hand to help you up? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/319 "2011-01-15T19:57:09Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Let’s hope she never attends a [Catholic Mass](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_peace#Contemporary_practices). All the male parishiners are rapists!!! Oh dear. And for a while, I went to mass every day. (That was always my favorite part of the mass, too. God turned me into a whore.) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/320 "2011-01-15T19:57:15Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > No, society has a perfectly cromulent solution for not shaking hands when one is offered. “I mean you no offense, but I don’t shake hands.” > > And, as we went over and over in the first thread about this, any person who doesn’t accept that with grace \*is \*a jerk. But that’s not most people, and being a jerk doesn’t mean you’re a rapist, either. No shit. I didn’t say it was a good reason, but people keep asking for a reason when one was given. You’re looking for logic from that piece of work? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=17)