# ZPG Zealot: A troll too far **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621 "2011-01-14T17:55:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/21 "2011-01-14T18:45:42Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > If that is in response to my post, you make no sense. Ergo - bat shit crazy. I’m pretty sure \*\*curly \*\*just finally admitted that she’s bat-shit crazy. Will wonders never cease. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/22 "2011-01-14T18:47:28Z")
In general, anyone who self-defines as a zealot about _anything_ isn’t worth trying to talk to. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/23 "2011-01-14T18:48:04Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I’m pretty sure \*\*curly \*\*just finally admitted that she’s bat-shit crazy. Will wonders never cease. Kind of takes the fun out of the whole thing, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/24 "2011-01-14T18:50:52Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Kind of takes the fun out of the whole thing, doesn’t it? I dunno. Either she’ll leave now to finally get the help she needs, or this concession will be mockery fodder for years to come. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/25 "2011-01-14T18:53:35Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Yeah, I know I’m gonna get flamed for this, but your two examples are not all that bad. The grandparents probably didn’t really believe that bastards must become vampires, but used that story to make sure their kids didn’t create any. And putting child support for unwanted children on par with 9/11 is hyperbole but could easily be merely an exaggeration to show how much she really hates it. Yeah, but “bombings”? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/26 "2011-01-14T18:54:40Z")
I can’t believe no one has mentioned the [adoption trainwreck](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=548442). Just when you think it can’t get any crazier, she ups the ante. 9 pages of comedy gold! Also, almost a year ago, a [very similar thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=549040) to this made the rounds. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/27 "2011-01-14T18:56:41Z")
> [@3\_20\_59\_or\_bust](#): > > Wow. Just…wow. > > So, let’s see, I’ve shaken hands with, what, maybe 300, 400, I don’t know, 1000 women if my lifetime. And as far as I can recall, I haven’t raped a single one of them. > > Pitting endorsed. Slacker. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/28 "2011-01-14T19:03:57Z")
You all do know that ZPG refers to Zero Population Growth, don’t you? Hatred of the family unit in any form. It is all rooted in her own self-loathing. Sociopathic, Psychopathic. Pick your pathic. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/29 "2011-01-14T19:12:27Z")
> [@Pitchmeister](#): > > I can’t believe no one has mentioned the [adoption trainwreck](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=548442). Just when you think it can’t get any crazier, she ups the ante. 9 pages of comedy gold! Ah, you know, just the other day I was thinking that someone on the SDMB had expressed the view that infanticide would arguably be better than adoption by non-family. But I couldn’t remember _who_. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/30 "2011-01-14T19:20:07Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > You all do know that ZPG refers to Zero Population Growth, don’t you? > > Hatred of the family unit in any form. I think you’re confused about Zero Population Growth – not to say ZPGZealot isn’t a nutter. ZPG stands for maintaining the current population at replacement value, and actively avoiding increasing the population. It has nothing against the family unit philosophically, nor does it advocate no children, ever. In fact, the average woman would have just over 2 children in her lifetime to create Zero Population Growth. > **[Zero population growth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_population_growth)** > > Zero population growth, sometimes abbreviated ZPG, is a condition of demographic balance where the number of people in a specified population neither grows nor declines; that is, the number of births plus in-migrants equals the number of deaths plus out-migrants. The Zero Population Growth organization, founded by biologist Paul R. Ehrlich, induced a prominent political movement since the 1960s, aiming to reach zero population growth. > The movement considers zero population growth to be an object... [http://www.populationconnection.org/site/PageServer](http://www.populationconnection.org/site/PageServer) (the organization formerly known as Zero Population growth) By the way, childless couples are also “families.” ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/31 "2011-01-14T19:21:55Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > You all do know that ZPG refers to Zero Population Growth, don’t you? > > Hatred of the family unit in any form. > > It is all rooted in her own self-loathing. Sociopathic, Psychopathic. > > Pick your pathic. Yup, and it’s all pretty consistent with that worldview. I think she’s for real. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/32 "2011-01-14T19:23:54Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I dunno. Either she’ll leave now to finally get the help she needs, or this concession will be mockery fodder for years to come. Were we running low? Has she said something, ever, that wasn’t fodder for mockery? Linky? I don’t know why we’re discounting the idea that ZPG Zealot is both a troll and a craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy bitch. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/33 "2011-01-14T19:24:32Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > I think she’s for real. Agreed. Not a troll. Just a deeply disturbed and disturbing person. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/34 "2011-01-14T19:24:55Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > I think you’re confused about Zero Population Growth – not to say ZPGZealot isn’t a nutter. > > ZPG stands for maintaining the current population at replacement value, and actively avoiding increasing the population. It has nothing against the family unit philosophically, nor does it advocate no children, ever. In fact, the average woman would have just over 2 children in her lifetime to create Zero Population Growth. > [Zero population growth - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_population_growth) > [http://www.populationconnection.org/site/PageServer](http://www.populationconnection.org/site/PageServer) (the organization formerly known as Zero Population growth) > > By the way, childless couples are also “families.” You’re right, in normal-person lingo, that’s what ZPG is all about, but on the internet, you run into the occasion ZPG, um…zealot…who is very anti-humanity in general, and talks very much like this particular poster. They hate children and parents, they think adoption is bad and abortion is great, and they seem to think that killing is a reasonable solution to problems with other people. It’s pretty strange and fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/35 "2011-01-14T19:26:48Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Yup, and it’s all pretty consistent with that worldview. I think she’s for real. No it is not. Plenty of people in favor of Zero Population Growth are not anti-family or anti-kids. What they generally are is very much in favor of birth control. Do you really believe most people that would prefer Zero Pop Growth are whackjobs like this one? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/36 "2011-01-14T19:28:41Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > No it is not. Plenty of people in favor of Zero Population Growth are not anti-family or anti-kids. What they generally are is very much in favor of birth control. Do you really believe most people that would prefer Zero Pop Growth are whackjobs like this one? No, please see above. My mistake…spending time on the internet makes me forget there are regular people out there as well as nutjobs. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/37 "2011-01-14T19:41:56Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > No, please see above. My mistake…spending time on the internet makes me forget there are regular people out there as well as nutjobs. 🙂 Oh, near simul posting. Cool. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/38 "2011-01-14T19:42:27Z")
This is the person who said she kept her nieces close to her in public in case adoptive parents snatched them up, is it not? And a fortune teller, IIRC. She has not set off my troll-dar, but that means nothing. Definitely squirrel food, though, albeit in an entertainingly “What’s the weather like on the planet Zorko?” kind of way. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/39 "2011-01-14T19:56:42Z")
I don’t think she’s a troll. If she is one, anyway, at least she’s creative about it. I’d rather read about how handshakes=rape or adopted kids shouldn’t call their adoptive parents “mom” and “dad” than slog through another “truther” or “birther” thread. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/40 "2011-01-14T20:00:00Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This is the person who said she kept her nieces close to her in public in case adoptive parents snatched them up, is it not? And a fortune teller, IIRC. Yes, with a great deal of historical irony, it’s now the Romani fortune-teller who is scared of baby-snatchers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=3)