# ZPG Zealot: A troll too far **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621 "2011-01-14T17:55:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/41 "2011-01-14T20:03:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I think I really need to start a band called “Handshake Rape.” With Skald the Rhymer on the skin flute. (Sorry skald, I just had to. Hope you understand. And I hereby retro-actively retract this post effective upon you coming up with some reasonable explanation for all your rape talk in that other thread.) ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/42 "2011-01-14T20:36:50Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > I think you’re confused about Zero Population Growth – not to say ZPGZealot isn’t a nutter. > > ZPG stands for maintaining the current population at replacement value, and actively avoiding increasing the population. It has nothing against the family unit philosophically, nor does it advocate no children, ever. In fact, the average woman would have just over 2 children in her lifetime to create Zero Population Growth. > [Zero population growth - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_population_growth) > [http://www.populationconnection.org/site/PageServer](http://www.populationconnection.org/site/PageServer) (the organization formerly known as Zero Population growth) > > By the way, childless couples are also “families.” I understand Zero Population Growth, but having actually followed ZPGZealot’s postings here, she isn’t in the ‘reasonable’ camp. She hates live humans in general. If you read **ZPG** ’s history of posts you will see a history of possible emotional abuse, certain family failure and loss of self worth. Do the right clicky thing on her user name, then read her posts, and come back and tell me this is a normally functioning human being. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/43 "2011-01-14T20:39:10Z")
I agree that she’s probably not a complete troll. She seems consistently psycho. She does seem to milk it for all it’s worth, though. In the adoption thread, she was so willfully ignoring any logical argument that it made you wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/44 "2011-01-14T20:51:56Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This is the person who said she kept her nieces close to her in public in case adoptive parents snatched them up, is it not? And a fortune teller, IIRC. > Regards, > Shodan Whoa – when was this? ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/45 "2011-01-14T21:10:45Z")
I don’t actually think she’s a troll, I think she’s just naive, insulated, and fairly dumb. Much like several other people who have been accused of trolling around here. I used to be shocked when I read crazy opinions like these on the Dope, but I’ve come to realize that people that wacky and stupid really do exist. It’s sort of a cautionary tale for the rest of us - these are the real people who walk amongst us. It’s sort of enlightening, but also incredibly depressing. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/46 "2011-01-14T21:11:34Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > You’re right, in normal-person lingo, that’s what ZPG is all about, but on the internet, you run into the occasion ZPG, um…zealot…who is very anti-humanity in general, and talks very much like this particular poster. They hate children and parents, they think adoption is bad and abortion is great, and they seem to think that killing is a reasonable solution to problems with other people. It’s pretty strange and fucked up. That seems more like the [Voluntary Human Extinction Movement](http://www.vhemt.org/) than the zero population growth movement. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/47 "2011-01-14T21:38:58Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > They hate children and parents, they think adoption is bad and abortion is great, **and they seem to think that killing is a reasonable solution to problems with other people** [emphasis added]. It’s pretty strange and fucked up. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on there. Let’s not throw out the baby with the bathwater. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/48 "2011-01-14T21:39:51Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Whoa – when was this? From the thread [Adoption: Why say Mom and Dad?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=548442), when asked why everyone needed to know whether or not a child was adopted: > [@ZPG Zealot](#): > > Because those of who value our extended families like to know when the adopters are around. We like to keep a close eye on all our young family members in case the adopters decide they need another child. Strangely enough, I was just reading that thread about a week ago (sometimes I like to read trainwrecks, what can I say?), and I really noticed the poor reasoning in this post: > [@ZPG Zealot](#): > > […]quite frankly that idea that children desire unconditional love sounds like the beginning of civilization’s downfall. You are not raising a child when you give him or her unconditional love, you are creating a sociopath. > [_snip_]I have always found Guardian to be one of the most noble titles one can accept. It means you have freely chosen to care for a child, […] expecting NOTHING in return as you might a blood relation. How can that possibly not be more noble than someone who will only take a child, if they get to use the titles of mothers and fathers? The logical holes in this argument are huge. First, she is confusing unconditional love with a complete lack of discipline or behavioural modification of the child. Second, she says that as a guardian she expects nothing of a child - isn’t that the unconditional thing she just said she hated? Third, if adopters really forced their children to call them Mom and Dad (as she believes they all do, to the point of beating the child if they don’t), then doesn’t that mean their love is, by definition, conditional? It’s a total mess of thoughts. Then again this is the same thread where we learned that \*\*ZPG \*\*would only donate a kidney to her mother and nobody else. Not because she loves her mother or wants her to be healthy, but because she owes it to her due to the pact that was created when mom squeezed her out of her hoo-haw. It’s all crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/49 "2011-01-14T21:49:43Z")
Never mind, I found it in that trainwreck of the adoption thread – she said she’s always making sure that her younger family members are near, because you never know when the adopters are out! ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/50 "2011-01-14T21:49:55Z")
Handshake rape? I never knew. And I’ve done that so many times. I’m quite ashamed now. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/51 "2011-01-14T21:57:43Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Yeah, I know I’m gonna get flamed for this, but your two examples are not all that bad. The grandparents probably didn’t really believe that bastards must become vampires, but used that story to make sure their kids didn’t create any. And putting child support for unwanted children on par with 9/11 is hyperbole but could easily be merely an exaggeration to show how much she really hates it. > > Now, the rest of those sound pretty bad on the surface, but if your examples are equally as weak, **ZPG Zealot** probably isn’t actually a troll. My grandparents actually believed illegitimate children were became vampires after death as did suicides, murder victims, and those born with certain deformities. It’s a common folk belief in Central and Eastern Europe. They hung garlic at the windows to keep evil spirits away. They also believed in the Evil Eye and that a virgin named Mary had a baby in Bethelehem roughly 2000 years ago (the only none vampiric illegitimate child) who was crucified for the sins all humans. JPSgoddess, you have really lived a narrow and sheltered life if you think my life is strange. Do you ever talk or interact with people other than middle-class WASPs? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/52 "2011-01-14T22:07:00Z")
While you’re here,could you explain the handshake rape thing again. Is it inappropriate for a man to shake a woman’s hand or am I misreading what you said? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/53 "2011-01-14T22:12:18Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > JPSgoddess, you have really lived a narrow and sheltered life if you think my life is strange. Do you ever talk or interact with people other than middle-class WASPs? I spend most of my day interacting with sane people. And then I talk to you. (Why do people put random capitalization and, in this case, extra letters in my username? I knew I should have switched to chicken baby bus.) ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/54 "2011-01-14T22:13:06Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > JPSgoddess, you have really lived a narrow and sheltered life if you think my life is strange. Do you ever talk or interact with people other than middle-class WASPs? Did it ever occur to you to break free from the bigoted beliefs of your ancestors, especially since you grew up in America? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/55 "2011-01-14T22:23:54Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > While you’re here,could you explain the handshake rape thing again. Is it inappropriate for a man to shake a woman’s hand or am I misreading what you said? Oh no, she made herself very clear: Any man who initiates a handshake, e.g., by holding his hand out, is committing a breach of etiquette and is probably a rapist or abuser. > [@jsgoddess](#): > > Why do people put random capitalization and, in this case, extra letters in my username? I hereby dub thee **justGourddreSSing**. I get some of the same, except it’s people calling me things like “Shot with Guns” or “Shot by Guns.” ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/56 "2011-01-14T22:36:29Z")
It could be worse. They could call you Shat From Guns or Shot From Gams. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/57 "2011-01-14T22:38:22Z")
I’m screwed - a bastard child, adopted by non-family members, who has gone on to pop out a bastard child, who receives child support for popping out said bastard, _and_ I work as a Child Support Officer. Be afraid, be very afraid. She’s a wingnut. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/58 "2011-01-14T22:40:24Z")
> [@MissTake](#): > > I’m screwed - a bastard child, adopted by non-family members, who has gone on to pop out a bastard child, who receives child support for popping out said bastard, _and_ I work as a Child Support Officer. You’re what Hitler had nightmares about. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/59 "2011-01-14T22:41:04Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > While you’re here,could you explain the handshake rape thing again. Is it inappropriate for a man to shake a woman’s hand or am I misreading what you said? It has been my observation that any men who thinks he should be able to touch a woman without her consent or force a woman to touch him should be watched a little more closely than other men as he could be a rapist. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/60 "2011-01-14T22:42:04Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It has been my observation that any men who thinks he should be able to touch a woman without her consent or force a woman to touch him should be watched a little more closely than other men as he could be a rapist. You are fucking cookoo. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=4)