# ZPG Zealot: A troll too far **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621 "2011-01-14T17:55:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/101 "2011-01-15T00:01:23Z")
ZPG, can you please answer this? I know you’re avoiding it: > [@Meyer6](#): > > Why can’t you accept that most of us would be much more offended if a man went around the room shaking hands and skipped us than if they offered their hand? Why does it not matter that your cultural mores are offensive to us,when it matters so much if our culture offends your tiny minority? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/102 "2011-01-15T00:02:58Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If you were offended by it, no. If you reacted pleasantly, I would wonder. So, you pretty much think all American women are whores? Or, at least, you “wonder”? ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/103 "2011-01-15T00:04:27Z")
I love how there’s infanticide, forced abortion, kidnapping, et al here, and the one topic that gets the most traction is the stupid hand shaking thing again! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/104 "2011-01-15T00:04:59Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > **ZPG Zealot** , I was born out of marriage. According to the same traditions that say giving a woman a handshake is just like rape, I am a vampire. > > Am I a vampire? Got no idea? Do you ever feel the urge to drink blood? If so, you might be a vampire or more likely you simply have a fetish for blood and possibly some mental health issue. If you think you’re going to attack someone, seek professional counseling. ---
**Author:** ![Ludy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Ludy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludy)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/105 "2011-01-15T00:07:11Z")
OK with the vampire thing, does the kid have to be born out of wedlock, or would being conceived out of wedlock work? Cuz if vampirism begins at conception I am never letting my brother babysit! And I should probably warn his girlfriend… ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/106 "2011-01-15T00:07:19Z")
I just think it’s funny that \*\*ZPG \*\*doesn’t realize that, at least in America, almost every single man you will ever meet has at one time or another shaken hands with a woman. And yet, somehow 99+% of American men are not rapists… hmmm. I bet almost all rapists have drunk milk at some time. Clearly this means that any man you see drinking milk is a potential rapist. ---
**Author:** ![Ludy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Ludy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludy)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/107 "2011-01-15T00:08:48Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > I just think it’s funny that \*\*ZPG \*\*doesn’t realize that, at least in America, almost every single man you will ever meet has at one time or another shaken hands with a woman. And yet, somehow 99+% of American men are not rapists… hmmm. And don’t forget that 99+% of women have willingly shook hands with men, and they are not whores. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/108 "2011-01-15T00:11:17Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Why should we accept being treated differently than men? > > Why can’t you accept that most of us would be much more offended if a man went around the room shaking hands and skipped us than if they offered their hand? Why does it not matter that your cultural mores are offensive to us,when it matters so much if our culture offends your tiny minority? Because I am firmly not convinced that the case. Most of the women I know and I work in a female dominated profession (I’m a librarian) consider it just something we have to put up with like women in the 50s had to put up with greater sexual harassment. As for the women that somehow think it’s cool to be treated that way, I think they are deluded and need a conscious raising session along with a lesson in women’s history about how long and how hard we had to fight to get profesions other than sex worker open to women They aren’t helping other women. They are betraying their sisters and sucking up to the patriarchy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/109 "2011-01-15T00:13:20Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Got no idea? Do you ever feel the urge to drink blood? If so, you might be a vampire or more likely you simply have a fetish for blood and possibly some mental health issue. If you think you’re going to attack someone, seek professional counseling. Let’s go with the hypothesis that I am not a vampire, as anyone who’s eaten my overcooked meat could attest. Now objectively, what does that say about the accuracy of a set of beliefs that say I’m a vampire? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/110 "2011-01-15T00:14:55Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > I love how there’s infanticide, forced abortion, kidnapping, et al here, and the one topic that gets the most traction is the stupid hand shaking thing again! 😃 I think because it’s such an every day occurrence. Most of us are shaking hands all the time, so this notion that we’re all budding rapists and whores is diverting. Next time, I’ll be sure to charge for the handshake. Ten dollars if you just want to touch my fingers. Twice that if you want the palm, you pervert. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/111 "2011-01-15T00:14:59Z")
> [@Ludy](#): > > OK with the vampire thing, does the kid have to be born out of wedlock, or would being conceived out of wedlock work? Cuz if vampirism begins at conception I am never letting my brother babysit! And I should probably warn his girlfriend… Google “how to become a vampire” and I’m certain you will find all sorts of sites that can advise you on this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/112 "2011-01-15T00:15:07Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Because I am firmly not convinced that the case. Most of the women I know and I work in a female dominated profession (I’m a librarian) consider it just something we have to put up with like women in the 50s had to put up with greater sexual harassment. As for the women that someone think it’s cool to be treated that way, I think they are deluded and need a conscious raising session along with a lesson in women’s history about how long and how hard we had to fight to get profesions other than sex worker open to women They aren’t helping other women. They are betraying their sisters and sucking up to the patriarchy. The crazy is strong in this one. Seriously, I don’t need a ‘conscious raising session’ (whatever the hell that is), and I am fully aware of the history of feminism - all I need is to be treated equally. Which fortunately I am, where I work. Actually, I have never in my life heard anyone complain about shaking hands or worry about whether or not to do it. Your reality is not the reality of womanhood. I’m not convinced your reality is reality in any way, shape, or form at all. But please don’t try to pass yourself off a a representative of the way modern women want to be treated. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/113 "2011-01-15T00:15:09Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Actually, it isn’t ingrained in many American cultural groups. I grew up in the old South where men only extended their hands first to hookers. Most of my families close non-Roma friends were orthodox Jews or Latino, none of them ever pawed at women, well hookers in bars maybe, but not women they respected. In fact, the only American cultural group that I know of where sticking out a hand at a woman is accepptable is the lower working class sort of redneck culture where the people don’t know how to act like polite members of society. Elvis has left the building. Why in the name of Zeus’ butt-hole would a man want to shake hands with a hooker? I was leaning towards crazy but now I gotta agree with the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/114 "2011-01-15T00:16:00Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Well, I spent years in shcool and worked hard to earn respect in my professional field. You need to spend years in school to learn how to read palms? Perhaps I need to re-evaluate the sarcastic remarks I’ve made over the years about Miss Cleo… ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/115 "2011-01-15T00:16:06Z")
I’ve tried to tell people Buffy is worth watching, but even I didn’t know it was a documentary. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/116 "2011-01-15T00:16:13Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > As for the women that somehow think it’s cool to be treated that way, I think they are deluded and need a conscious raising session along with a lesson in women’s history about how long and how hard we had to fight to get profesions other than sex worker open to women They aren’t helping other women. They are betraying their sisters and sucking up to the patriarchy. Strange. I’d say that any woman who perpetuates the “good girl/whore” distinction is betraying her sisters and sucking up to the patriarchy. Why are you working so hard to tear down other women? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/117 "2011-01-15T00:17:44Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Elvis has left the building. > Why in the name of Zeus’ butt-hole would a man want to shake hands with a hooker? > > I was leaning towards crazy but now I gotta agree with the OP. See? Ain’t no way that’s real. > [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > Why are you working so hard to tear down other women? The tearing down is okay. It’s the gunning down that starts to be a bit worrisome. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/118 "2011-01-15T00:19:24Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Why in the name of Zeus’ butt-hole would a man want to shake hands with a hooker? Well see, his hand is really his penis, so two people touching hands=having sex. I don’t know what actual sex would equate to then. Maybe that’s just how you say hello. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/119 "2011-01-15T00:19:34Z")
Wait, how do you read palms without touching someone’s hand? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/120 "2011-01-15T00:21:03Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Let’s go with the hypothesis that I am not a vampire, as anyone who’s eaten my overcooked meat could attest. > Now objectively, what does that say about the accuracy of a set of beliefs that say I’m a vampire? But you haven’t died yet though have you. so we don’t know if you will rise from the grave to suck the blood of the living? Unless of course, you have dead which means for you to be typing on this message board you are at least a revenant (someone who has returned from the dead), so you could be well on your way to being a vampire. But seriouisly, the real problem with illegitimacy isn’t metaphysical, but the impact of unwanted, unplanned children on society. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=7)