# ZPG Zealot: A troll too far **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621 "2011-01-14T17:55:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/121 "2011-01-15T00:21:17Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > I love how there’s infanticide, forced abortion, kidnapping, et al here, and the one topic that gets the most traction is the stupid hand shaking thing again! 😃 You forgot murdering pregnant women. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/122 "2011-01-15T00:22:18Z")
[ > [@](#): > > Beattie’s findings show that the average person shakes hands nearly 15,000 times in a 60-year lifetime, or 4.78 shakes per week. Men engage in the ritual more often than women, shaking on average 6.2 hands a week compared with the 2.6 hands that women shake. The Times Square competitors are likely to amass a lifetime of handshakes in one day. ]([http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/01/14/shaking-on-it-repeatedly-in-times-square/](http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/01/14/shaking-on-it-repeatedly-in-times-square/)) Someone’s been very VERY naughty. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/123 "2011-01-15T00:22:38Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Because I am firmly not convinced that the case. Most of the women I know and I work in a female dominated profession (I’m a librarian) consider it just something we have to put up with like women in the 50s had to put up with greater sexual harassment. As for the women that somehow think it’s cool to be treated that way, I think they are deluded and need a conscious raising session along with a lesson in women’s history about how long and how hard we had to fight to get profesions other than sex worker open to women They aren’t helping other women. They are betraying their sisters and sucking up to the patriarchy. Bitch, please. Shaking hands is the way polite people greet each other in modern American society. It’s been this way for years now. And I strongly doubt that “most of the women” you know feel the way you do about it, given that you’ve posted some downright crazy-ass bullshit about the way you think and the things you claim that others have told you. I know it’s difficult for you to comprehend, given your level of bugfuck, but do try to keep in mind that the rest of the world? DOESN’T THINK LIKE YOU DO. While this statement is true for everyone, it’s especially true for someone like you. Upon reflection, I don’t even know why I’m bothering with responding to you. Talking to you reminds me of back when I worked with patients who were hospitalized in the middle of a florid psychotic episode - there’s just no reaching into the delusions you’ve built around yourself. And if you really are a librarian? God and Goddess help us. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/124 "2011-01-15T00:22:43Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > You forgot murdering pregnant women. As long as you do it without shaking their hands, it’s okay. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/125 "2011-01-15T00:23:40Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > And if you really are a librarian? God and Goddess help us. I’m TRYING. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/126 "2011-01-15T00:23:40Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Wait, how do you read palms without touching someone’s hand? Duh … obviously she doesn’t read _men’s_ palms. Only whores do that. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/127 "2011-01-15T00:25:18Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I grew up in the old South where men only extended their hands first to hookers. Most of my families close non-Roma friends were orthodox Jews or Latino, none of them ever pawed at women, well hookers in bars maybe, but not women they respected. In fact, the only American cultural group that I know of where sticking out a hand at a woman is accepptable is the lower working class sort of redneck culture where the people don’t know how to act like polite members of society. I really don’t have a dog in this fight, but just FYI, I don’t think the “old South where men only extended their hands first to hookers” ever existed. I was born in Mississippi in 1960 and have lived here all of my life. I have never heard of such a custom or practice, from any of the thousands of Southerners I’ve interacted with over all these years. Back in the day, it was proper for a man to gently take a woman’s hand and kind of bow over it; men and women didn’t shake hands in the same way that two men did. BUT that went out years before you were born, ZPG. Nowadays it’s quite proper for men & women to shake hands, and nobody thinks anybody is a slut because of it. ETA: today I went on a field visit to a property which is the subject of a lawsuit. There I met a handful of attorneys, some men and some women. We all shook each others’ hands and introduced ourselves. And I did enjoy meeting those ladies and gentlemen, so I guess I had an orgy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/128 "2011-01-15T00:25:47Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > And if you really are a librarian? God and Goddess help us. I think it’s a library of psychic bullshit though. A library with ‘wise women’ and palm reading. Very academic. ---
**Author:** ![3\_20\_59\_or\_bust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/47e85d/32.png) [@3\_20\_59\_or\_bust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3_20_59_or_bust)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/129 "2011-01-15T00:27:15Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Because I am firmly not convinced that the case. Most of the women I know and I work in a female dominated profession (I’m a librarian) consider it just something we have to put up with like women in the 50s had to put up with greater sexual harassment. As for the women that somehow think it’s cool to be treated that way, I think they are deluded and need a conscious raising session along with a lesson in women’s history about how long and how hard we had to fight to get profesions other than sex worker open to women They aren’t helping other women. They are betraying their sisters and sucking up to the patriarchy. I hope the patriarchy is keeping you in the back sorting books and not out dispensing information to the unsuspecting public. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/130 "2011-01-15T00:29:01Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Wait, how do you read palms without touching someone’s hand? Damn, do you know how many people \*\*ZPG \*\*has raped! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![buckgully](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb9ed0/32.png) [@buckgully](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buckgully)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/131 "2011-01-15T00:29:38Z")
I’ve begun to work on a theory that, due to quantum hysteresis effects on long-distance digital optical fiber networks, communications on the internet sometimes have sideband leakages into otherwise non-local dimensional domains. As an example, in this case, we’re talking to someone from a completely different planet, which departed the current probability matrix at some point in the distant past. You know, someone stuffs a cat into a box and the next thing you know you have adopted vampire baby infanticide and handshake rapists. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/132 "2011-01-15T00:30:29Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > But you haven’t died yet though have you. so we don’t know if you will rise from the grave to suck the blood of the living? Unless of course, you have dead which means for you to be typing on this message board you are at least a revenant (someone who has returned from the dead), so you could be well on your way to being a vampire. But seriouisly, the real problem with illegitimacy isn’t metaphysical, but the impact of unwanted, unwated children on society. So my very existence makes society worse, and I’m unwanted? I can assure you the people in my life would disagree. Of course this whole thing is ignoring the point that I am not, nor will be, undead. Beliefs that say otherwise take a dive in their street cred. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/133 "2011-01-15T00:33:17Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > So my very existence makes society worse, and I’m unwanted? I can assure you the people in my life would disagree. Of course this whole thing is ignoring the point that I am not, nor will be, undead. > > Beliefs that say otherwise take a dive in their street cred. Don’t forget, you’re “unwated” also, wtf-ever that means. I bet it’s bad tho. Maybe even as bad as being a vampire handshake rapist. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/134 "2011-01-15T00:34:09Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > Strange. I’d say that any woman who perpetuates the “good girl/whore” distinction is betraying her sisters and sucking up to the patriarchy. > > Why are you working so hard to tear down other women? The “good girl/whore” distinction should be replaced with the principle that every women should be treated with respect, not the idea that every women can be treated like a whore. Why are you working so hard to tear down other women? And working so hard to impose a narrow, oppresive culture on everybody else? When did respect and considerations for others become such a dirty thing in America? ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/135 "2011-01-15T00:40:55Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > So my very existence makes society worse, and I’m unwanted? I can assure you the people in my life would disagree. This is the problem I have with **ZPG Zealot** - in her mind it’s a-okay for her to say that other people are worthless or terrible because they’re illegitimate or because they’re adopted. It’s okay for her to imply that the rest of us are whores (and rednecks) who don’t know our place just because we willingly touch men (gasp!). It’s okay for her to say that adopters are the kind of people who snatch other peoples children given the chance. And we’re supposed to change our entire society to conform to these stupid, insulting concepts just because some minor, backwards religion supports them? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/136 "2011-01-15T00:41:29Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It has been my observation that any men who thinks he should be able to touch a woman without her consent or force a woman to touch him should be watched a little more closely than other men as he could be a rapist. Let me just say I disagree. I totally disagree. A handshake is far from a forced touching. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/137 "2011-01-15T00:42:36Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Wait, how do you read palms without touching someone’s hand? You have heard of these things called gloves right? I’ve used those from time to time especially with male clients from the Mid East or India. Aside from that touching someone while giving a reading is considered morally the same as touching someone while performing a medical procedure or preventing an accident. You people really should use your heads for more than just watching Larry the Cable Guy. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/138 "2011-01-15T00:43:38Z")
"You people"is a pretty wide brush, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/139 "2011-01-15T00:43:52Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > The “good girl/whore” distinction should be replaced with the principle that every women should be treated with respect, not the idea that every women can be treated like a whore. You said you’d suspect **jsgoddess** was a whore if she reacted pleasantly when a man offered her his hand. So it’s pretty obvious that you personally group women into two categories: Good girls and whores. Some feminist. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/140 "2011-01-15T00:46:21Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > The “good girl/whore” distinction should be replaced with the principle that every women should be treated with respect, not the idea that every women can be treated like a whore. No, it should be replaced with the idea that a woman is no less a person than a man, and should be treated equally. And the idea that a woman can willingly choose to be touched (or hell, even to be kissed or felt up, if she sees fit) without being branded as a whore. Seriously, sexual equality has come a long way. We don’t need people like you pushing it back into the dark ages. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=8)