# ZPG Zealot: A troll too far **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621 "2011-01-14T17:55:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/161 "2011-01-15T01:07:29Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > No. If the contact is the result of doing something to save the life or health (physical, mental, spiritual, etc.) of someone, it’s okay. But if it’s not, then the woman is a whore, right? Or behaving like a whore, at least? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/162 "2011-01-15T01:07:45Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Do you have any ability to reason about cultures and manner beyond the blue collar straight jacket? I spoke politely, I didn’t let them touch me. At the time, I thought it was the right thing to do. Since then I’ve learned that if you give bigots and bullies an inch they will try to take a foot. Or a hand, apparently… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/163 "2011-01-15T01:08:16Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > No. If the contact is the result of doing something to save the life or health (physical, mental, spiritual, etc.) of someone, it’s okay. Safe sex has [documented health benefits](http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/features/10-surprising-health-benefits-of-sex?page=3), ranging from reduced stress to reducing the risk of cancer. So you’re okay with hookers but not handshakers? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/164 "2011-01-15T01:08:21Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It has been my observation that any men who thinks he should be able to touch a woman without her consent or force a woman to touch him should be watched a little more closely than other men as he could be a rapist. This makes me sad inside. Note that even non-handshaking men should still be “watched”, just maybe not quite as much as the evil handshakers. What must it be like for you, ZPG, constantly living in fear like that, feeling that you have to “watch” every male around you in case he assaults you? How did you ever come to the conclusion that the rest of humanity was so, well, evil? What happened to you? Because you know what? Generally speaking, people are pretty cool, and no one wants to hurt you or make you feel bad. You can let your guard down, really. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/165 "2011-01-15T01:08:32Z")
You can’t tell, ZPG, but I’m offering to shake your hand, RIGHT NOW ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/166 "2011-01-15T01:09:26Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Bullshit. If you were fired from those jobs, it was because you made yourself out to be some sort of fucking martyr by throwing one of those “hissy fits” and accusing men of being rapists because they wanted to shake your fucking hand. I was there, you weren’t. Incidently, one of the jackasses that threw a hissy fit because I wouldn’t shake his fucking hand later landed in prison for raping an intern. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/167 "2011-01-15T01:09:30Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Do you have any ability to reason about cultures and manner beyond the blue collar straight jacket? I spoke politely, I didn’t let them touch me. At the time, I thought it was the right thing to do. Since then I’ve learned that if you give bigots and bullies an inch they will try to take a foot. So, what you’re saying is you looked like a whore, right? Were you one? ---
**Author:** ![Fatwater\_Fewl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4491bb/32.png) [@Fatwater\_Fewl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fatwater_Fewl)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/168 "2011-01-15T01:10:23Z")
Somebody needs a hug. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/169 "2011-01-15T01:11:17Z")
I have a feeling **ZPG Zealot** sees men as creatures like [these aliens](http://comicsidontunderstand.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2011-01-07-231_greetings-earthlings.png). Seriously, men and women alike extend their hands in greeting, and those who are greeted clasp the proffered hands in response. If someone doesn’t understand or appreciate (or wish to participate in) that cultural gesture, fine – but it’s absurd to extrapolate theories about would-be rapists and sexual aggressiveness just because it icks you out. No woman I know, either myself or others, is offended or bothered by a man offering his hand in friendship or greeting. Barring some orthodox religious or cultural objection, I can’t imagine this is a widespread issue. I sure as hell hope not. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/170 "2011-01-15T01:11:36Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > So you’re okay with hookers but not handshakers? In the epic abortion and child support thread, she says she’s in favor of consequence-free casual sex. So, you can’t let men offer to shake your hand lest they think you are a loose woman, but you can have sex with them. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/171 "2011-01-15T01:15:08Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > she says she’s in favor of consequence-free casual sex Hold up, let’s not shit on the one good idea that crazy bitch ever had. Of course, I say that as an extraordinarily loose woman. I’ve been handshaking like a motherfuck my entire adult life. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/172 "2011-01-15T01:16:55Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > But if it’s not, then the woman is a whore, right? Or behaving like a whore, at least? Not necessarily, only the probability that she might be a prostitute is increased versus the probability of the woman that refuses to have public physical contact with men. You seem to want to cast all women into whores or non-whores. The truth is things are rather varied and most people observe many factors about people when they make judgements. Why not embrace the idea that all women deserve respect not the treatment usually reserved for whores because of their (usually) degraded social status? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/173 "2011-01-15T01:17:09Z")
This handshaking thing is so fucking stupid. There is nothing wrong with a man offering a woman his hand. There is nothing wrong with the woman politely declining for religious reasons. Anyone who would throw a hissyfit about that and insist that she do it anyway is an asshole. Luckily, I’ve no doubt that is a tiny minority of men, and anyone who would assume that all or even most men who offer a hand would press the issue is also an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/174 "2011-01-15T01:17:20Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Do you have any ability to reason about cultures and manner beyond the blue collar straight jacket? I spoke politely, I didn’t let them touch me. At the time, I thought it was the right thing to do. Since then I’ve learned that if you give bigots and bullies an inch they will try to take a foot. Don’t even get started on the ones who want to touch your foot. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/175 "2011-01-15T01:18:20Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I was there, you weren’t. Incidently, one of the jackasses that threw a hissy fit because I wouldn’t shake his fucking hand later landed in prison for raping an intern. Oooooooo, one man, one time, raped someone after you wouldn’t shake his hand. Therefore, all men everywhere will rape women if those men offer to shake hands. You really ought to be fired from your librarian job if this is the level of intelligence you possess. And I pity, TRULY pity, any children who have to suffer your presence in their life. I can’t wait until your nieces and nephews start to post here about their crazy-ass aunt who spends her whole life accusing men of rape, adoptive parents of abuse, and advocating for slaughtering children. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/176 "2011-01-15T01:19:44Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Hold up, let’s not shit on the one good idea that crazy bitch ever had. > > Of course, I say that as an extraordinarily loose woman. I’ve been handshaking like a motherfuck my entire adult life. Ha. True. It’s just so bizarre. Most men are near or real rapists because they offer to shake hands while they are oppressing and being persecuted by evil bitchwomen who worship babies who will grow up to be sociopaths if treated affectionately. Plus casual sex. It’s like having a Sharia case heard at the Playboy Mansion. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/177 "2011-01-15T01:21:04Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > So, what you’re saying is you looked like a whore, right? Were you one? Why do you think I was so offended by the gesture? I was not a prostitute, but they were treating me like one. It was highly insulting. That’s why the gesture is so disgusting. You can be a perfectly respectable woman but some asshole comes around sticking out his dirty hand and someone can see it and wonder if you are for sale. It simply not right. In retrospect, I sometimes wish I had stabbed some of those men, but the past cannot undone. I fight so that other young women do not have to face that humiliation. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/178 "2011-01-15T01:21:14Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > In the epic abortion and child support thread, she says she’s in favor of consequence-free casual sex. > > So, you can’t let men offer to shake your hand lest they think you are a loose woman, but you can have sex with them. [All I have to say](http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2010/1245162263874l.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/179 "2011-01-15T01:22:46Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Why do you think I was so offended by the gesture? Because you’re insane and stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621/180 "2011-01-15T01:25:30Z")
Ok, your’e overplaying your hand now, ZPG…I’m starting to think the OP was right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/zpg-zealot-a-troll-too-far/567621.md?page=10)