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Old 02-11-2003, 03:43 PM
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When did "Urban" become a euphamism for "Black?"

A few years ago, Starbucks opened a store in Harlem. They decorated it differently and proclaimed it their first "urban" store.

This, despite the fact that Starbucks have infested every major American city for years. They meant something else.

"Urban" has slowly become a euphamism for "black," and I'm curious as to when and how that happened. It was recent, I know that.

I knew I was on to something when even The Simpsons made a joke about it.

Lenny: "Ooh, Homer, pick me, Lenny!"
Carl: "Homer, pick me! I'm the urban Lenny!"

Granted that this could quickly devolve into a whole ranting thread about culture, race, perceptions, and all sorts of fun stuff that makes people's veins throb, I'd like to keep it simple and direct: When and how did "urban" become a euphemism? Or am I just seeing something that isn't there? Do people think I'm off-base with this? Has anybody besides me (okay, and The Simpsons ) noticed this?

This is just one of those things that confuses me. I'm easily befuddled. You should see me try to figure out cable TV.

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Old 02-11-2003, 03:48 PM
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I wouldn't call it a euphamism, I'd call it a code word for Black in the same way that Suburbs is a code word for White. I think this began in the sixties during the height of the civil rights movement and white flight to the suburbs.
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Old 02-11-2003, 03:49 PM
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Please excuse my inability to spell "euphemism." Stupid Greek words...gyaaah.

The "why" of the substitution seems obvious. America is simultaneously race-obsessed and afraid to say anything about it. Euphemisms are a way to talk about something without actually talking about it. It's the "when" and the "how" that fascinate me.

Was this a deliberate choice? Will it become common currency or do you think it'll fade out? Will it garner subtle and defined shades of meaning that will make it a truly useful term, or will it remain vague?
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Old 02-11-2003, 04:04 PM
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I don't recall that usage in the 60s. My first encounters with it happened in the early 1980s and were, initially, specific references to black-oriented radio formats--no single variety of music, but all-black DJs, dance promotions that catered to events more likely to have black patrons, and advertising geared toward black hair care products, etc.. I suspect that it spread from there (unless it hd an earlier origin that got past me).
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Old 02-11-2003, 04:15 PM
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I think Tom is right- in the early 80s, back when I was living in New York, radio stations that played soul/R & B all started using the term "urban contemporary" to describe the music they played.

After that, the word became an all-purpose synonym for "black."
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Old 02-11-2003, 04:19 PM
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Harvey Jerkwater wrote:

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America is simultaneously race-obsessed and afraid to say anything about it.
An astonishingly astute truth, and concisely stated. Welcome to Straight Dope Great Debates.
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Old 02-11-2003, 05:33 PM
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Oddly enough, I find that my perception of Urban has evolved AWAY from a code-word for black to be more comprehensive (and legitimate). Specifically I find that much "urban" stuff, whether clothes, music, etc. encompasses black influence, latino influence, asian influence, etc. from the -actual- urban environment.

So maybe it's now a "code-word" for "minority of whatever kind" or "poor" or who knows...

I prefer to think that a real "urban" cultural segment has developed that's a melange of these inner-city, multi-cultural experiences and expressions and actually needs a way to express that in a word rather than a sentence.
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Old 02-11-2003, 06:54 PM
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DrLizardo - absolutely agreed. IMO, 'urban' isn't so much used to mean black, but minority. And I think that that's what urban has basically become. My history teacher summed it up quite nicely: "During the civil rights movement, whites finally agreed, and allowed blacks to live in their neighborhoods, shop in their stores, live in their lives. And then the white guys ran like hell and built their own towns and gave themselves front lawns."

Urban has become synonymous with minority, and not just in connotation. Look around your average city neighborhood. Yes, there probably will be some white guys still there. But the majority of people will be black, latino, and asian. A city is urban. Now look around your average suburb. While there probably will be a few minority faces sprinkled in there, the vast majority of the population will be white. My opinions on this are VERY long winded, and I'll spare you all, unless this thread goes in that direction.
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Old 02-11-2003, 08:12 PM
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Quote:
Quinn: Why am I a Martian?
Director: The writers were having trouble writing for urban characters.
Quinn: "Urban"... meaning black.
Director: Anyway, you're not a Martian. You're from a race of symbiotes. A little snake lives in your belly.
Quinn: And what's this, a spear?
Director: Space spear. Shoots lasers. Peeeow!

-- Sealab 2021, "Swimming in Oblivion"
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Old 02-12-2003, 12:58 AM
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What the hell you are talking about?
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Old 02-12-2003, 07:42 AM
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I guess if you never saw the show, it wouldn't make sense at all. Heh.
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Old 02-12-2003, 08:19 AM
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...about the same time "New York" became a euphemism for "Jewish."

"Better give George an Italian surname! We don't want this new Seinfeld sitcom to seem too...'New York.'"
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Old 02-12-2003, 10:13 AM
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He he he. True... Jerry Stiller is Sooooo Italian.
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Old 02-12-2003, 10:28 AM
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About the same time we began having problems with "urban youth..." like we didn't have problems with teenagers in cities in the 50's...
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:28 AM
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It was the DJ that done it!

Urban meaning black was invented in the mid-Seventies by NYC WBLS-FM DJ Frankie Crocker and was glommed onto by the prevailing market influences in radio-format development. The powers that be determined that "black music" would never sell as much as product and airtime marked "urban."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_contemporary
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...ic#666515.hook
However, let us lay a historical context by marking the 1950s as a time when The Great Migration (the movement of six million African Americans out of the rural south bound primarily for inner city locations to the north) was already well underway. Their concentration in disadvantaged neighborhoods became shadow political justification for the race-scarred "urban renewal" policies (introduced during the Truman Administration), under which the federal government funded local "slum removal." Those divisive and failed efforts set in place the tinder box of conflict which would erupt during the wave of riots in the Sixties.
The reason "urban" could be successfully used to mean "black," for insidious commercial purposes - a cynical yet clever redrafting, and blurring, of this sad history - is because "urban" became the place, and people, those shaping the culture from the suburbs and exurbs had long abandoned.
Long Live The Cities! When a city reemerges and renews itself, our metropolis finds new reasons to be.

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Old 06-30-2012, 10:36 AM
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Interesting. Until this thread urban had never meant anything to me other than having to do with cities. Come to think of it, it still doesn't mean anything other than that.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:41 AM
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Urban meaning black was invented in the mid-Seventies
Huh? The National Urban League was around for more than fifty years before the seventies. And it was a black civil rights organization from the get-go.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:31 PM
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Surely "urban" simply refers to a culture which many black people (along with others) identify with.
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Old 06-30-2012, 02:59 PM
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Wow, nine years.... this thread's almost old enough to be tried as an adult.
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Old 06-30-2012, 03:10 PM
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Wow, nine years.... this thread's almost old enough to be tried as an adult.
Only if it's "urban".
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:49 PM
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Huh? The National Urban League was around for more than fifty years before the seventies. And it was a black civil rights organization from the get-go.
I suspect that the impulse to use "urban" was the same for the radio programming and the Urban League. The Urban League was specifically founded to help blacks, migrating from rural, agricultural settings in the South, to urban, manufacturing settings in the North, adjust to and be successful in their new environment. Similarly, the "urban" music was music that was directed to an audience that was very much located in the inner cities.
(It probably did not hurt that the "Country" music is, stereotypically "white," providing an easy contrast in the names.*)

While the Urban League, itsel, is very old, the use of urban to indicate a "black" experience did not become common until after Urban Radio popularized that use of the term.

* (This is not a claim that all whites listen to only Country (and Western) or that there are no blacks performing in or listening to that genre, only a recognition--even if stereotypical--that Country is more of a "white" genre while Rock and Roll, Jazz, and Pop include many artists from each group and are popular among audiences of both groups.)
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:51 PM
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Having said that and re-read the thread, I think that this will do better in General Questions than in Great Debates, even if some mild challenges are raised to specific points. larrytimes's post is exactly the sort of point that fits well in General Questions.

Off it goes.

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