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Old 03-29-2003, 04:46 PM
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"Bison are the only mammals that don't get cancer." True?

OK, so I'm looking at this website, which happens to be where we are going to eat tonight.

They make the claim:
"Bison are the only mammals that don't get cancer."

Is this true? I hit google for some help and found other sites that make this claim -- however most of them also sell Bison and list other "facts" like this one:
"When plains Indians' main diet was bison, they never had cancer, heart disease or diabetes. " Which also sounds suspect.


This site says (keep in mind they also are players in the bison trade):
"Grass-fed bison are higher in essential fatty acids with a good ratio of Omega-3s to Omega-6s and contain much more CLA. Grass-fed meats are one of the richest sources of CLA. Studies have shown that CLA slows the progress of some types of cancer and heart disease. CLA may reduce body fat and increase lean muscle mass. CLA may prevent or delay the onset of diabetes. Studies were done at the University of Bristol, Cornell, Penn State, and the University of Utah. Bison carry a cancer-preventative enzyme and researchers are now investigating the positive effects that Bison meat has on cancer prevention."

which at least sounds like it may have something to it.


Any help? Thanks in advance.
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Old 03-29-2003, 05:44 PM
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Well, here's a nice article from a veterinary journal talking about a bison with a case of squamous carcinoma, so I guess that sort of disproves that.
http://www.afip.org/acvp/Vet_Pathol/TOC37-4.htm

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Squamous Cell Carcinoma in an American Bison (Bison bison bison) (pp. 343-346)

M. Z. Marder, D. W. Cummings, D. J. Zegarelli, K. Neuschaefer, and C. L. Pulse
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Old 03-29-2003, 05:48 PM
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... Bison's scientific name is bison bison bison?

Oh, cool.

I can't decide whether or not that's cooler than the fact that the lowland gorilla's scientific name is gorilla gorilla gorilla.
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Old 03-29-2003, 05:59 PM
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... Bison's scientific name is bison bison bison?

Oh, cool.

I can't decide whether or not that's cooler than the fact that the lowland gorilla's scientific name is gorilla gorilla gorilla.
And WHY aren't you studying???

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Old 03-29-2003, 06:08 PM
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btw,
Bison Bison Bison Bison
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Old 03-29-2003, 09:29 PM
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I can speak from first-hand experience of a cow that had a facial cancer: I'm the bloke who had to shoot her.

Bison? Just really big cows, eh?

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Old 03-29-2003, 09:42 PM
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Shh dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your bison. I love it. I'm having bison, bison, bison, bison, bison, bison, bison, baked beans, bison, bison, bison, and bison.
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Old 03-29-2003, 09:50 PM
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Hmmm, wonder if they're related to George Foreman?
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Old 03-29-2003, 11:36 PM
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Qadgop. In reading that journal article a bit farther, one finds that
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This female bison developed an ulcerated lesion on the left flank, at the site of a brand, in the summer of her eighth year.
Can a case be made that the lesion might not have appeared if there was no branding?

There's truly little Google info out there to refute the restaurant claim, although I'd love to see the journal articles upon which the bison supporters base their claims.
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Old 03-30-2003, 12:43 AM
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regardless, omega 3 to omega 6 ratio is something people should be focusing on much more in their diets. current public's understanding of nutrition is lagging the science by about 20 years....

a typical diet has omega3 to to omega6 ratio of about 1/20. an ideal ratio is 1/1.

the source of the problem is corn and similar man-grown crops. corn oil is almost exclusively omega6 and animals fed with these crops have similarly elevated omega6 in their meat, and basically all livestock is that way now.

your body's cell membranes incorporate omega3 and omega6 in the same ratio as they come in your diet. so you ARE what you eat, and what you eat is crap.

to get to the healthy omega3 ballance you need to supplement with Flax Seed Oil ( best omega3 source there is, but tastes like shit ) and basically eliminate corn and vegetable oil from your diet.

Olive oil is OK because while it is not a real source of omega3 it doesn't pack much omega6 either.

fish that isn't farmed is a good source of omega3. fish that is farmed is useless. likewise all meat is not at all the same depending on whether it is grass fed or grain fed. grass fed is what you want but you will not find it anywhere, and even if you do its still probably not grass fed in reality.
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Old 03-30-2003, 12:56 AM
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It can't be true that the bison is the only animal that doesn't get cancer. The shark-cartilage salesman told me it's the shark that is the only animal that doesn't get cancer. He wouldn't lie about something that important, would he?

[edited for grammar]

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Old 03-30-2003, 01:16 AM
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I think the general idea is that Sharks pre-date cancer. Or something like that.
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Old 03-30-2003, 01:19 AM
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He wouldn't lie about something that important, would he?
Yes, I'm afraid he would.
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Old 03-30-2003, 02:11 AM
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AFAIK, both sharks and bison get cancer. Anything with genes is vulnerable to some kind of cancerous change.

I have seen a bison with an eye tumor in a zoo (sorry, no cite, it wasn't a published case).
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Old 03-30-2003, 03:00 AM
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Re: "Bison are the only mammals that don't get cancer." True?

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"When plains Indians' main diet was bison, they never had cancer, heart disease or diabetes. "
Have you ever seen a bald headed Eskimo? Of course not! That's because they eat whale blubber!
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Old 03-30-2003, 08:31 AM
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Looking at the other cstatements I get the impression that they are trying to imply that Eating Bison is healthy because they don't get cancer.

Can I assume that is BS?
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Old 03-30-2003, 08:54 AM
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Shh dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your bison. I love it. I'm having bison, bison, bison, bison, bison, bison, bison, baked beans, bison, bison, bison, and bison.
Baked beans are off.

Seriously, why would anything multicellular be immune from cancer?
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:02 AM
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I've heard it about sharks before, from a born-again Christian. He also told me that sharks were "evolutionally perfect", in that they couldn't be improved any more. (He doesn't believe in evolution, of course, so the fact that he believes this is illuminating, to say the least) Funny how much pseudoscience I've heard from those guys. It's like a Christian hobby.
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Old 03-30-2003, 09:12 AM
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Looking at the other cstatements I get the impression that they are trying to imply that Eating Bison is healthy because they don't get cancer.

Can I assume that is BS?
Eating Bison is healthy (compared to other meats)...The cancer thing just set off my BS radar.

BS = Bison Shit, of course.
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Old 03-30-2003, 12:07 PM
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I think you mean Bison Bison Bison Shit.
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Old 03-30-2003, 12:21 PM
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I'm going to eat a shark that ate a bison, and be *doubly* protected!
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Old 03-30-2003, 12:40 PM
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Nitpick: The scientific name for the American bison isn't "bison bison bison", nor "Bison Bison Bison". It's "Bison bison bison" (or even "B. bison bison"). Genus name is capitalized (and sometimes abbreviated), species and subspecies names are lowercase.

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Old 03-30-2003, 01:26 PM
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Actually, it would be Bison bison bison or Bison bison bison.
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Old 03-30-2003, 01:48 PM
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While we're nitpicking Bison (or Bison), it should probably be pointed out that there are two recognized subspecieis of North American bison: the aforementioned B. bison bison (aka the Plains Bison) and B. bison athabascae (aka the Wood Bison). If one wishes to refer specifically to the Plains Bison or Wood Bison, then one should include the subspecies designation. If one wishes to refer to all NA bison, then one should use Bison bison (or B. bison). If one wishes to refer generally to any bison species (including the European species), then one would use Bison sp. or simply the genus name Bison. Or, just say "bison".

After typing "bison" so much in this post, I've come to realize it's a pretty silly-looking word....
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Old 03-30-2003, 02:12 PM
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After typing "bison" so much in this post, I've come to realize it's a pretty silly-looking word....
Well, since we're talking about American bison, I propose we use the word "buffalo" for the rest of this thread.
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Old 03-30-2003, 02:22 PM
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I always liked the word, totonka.

Plus, I thought it was Emus that were supposed to be the miracle beast.

I know they're not mammals, neither are sharks. BUT how 'bout cetaceans?
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Old 03-30-2003, 02:30 PM
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make that tatonka
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Old 03-30-2003, 05:10 PM
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Considering that cancer is essentially gene replication gone wrong, and all living things undergo gene replication, it doesn't seem possible that any species could be immune from cancer. Some species probably have a lower incidence of cancer than others, perhaps due to their diets, but they can't be immune from it.

Cancer is mostly a disease of later life, as are heart disease and diabetes. At the time when plains Indians were eating mainly bison (bison bison), they probably had quite a low life expectancy too, so wouldn't have suffered the late-life diseases in the numbers we do today.
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Old 03-31-2003, 01:30 AM
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by the way those omegas, are fatty acids, or OILs as far you are are concerned.

in case you were wondering
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Old 03-31-2003, 02:08 AM
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Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo!

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Old 03-31-2003, 09:34 AM
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Say, would a buffalo with fluffy white fur be a bison frisť?
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Old 03-31-2003, 11:35 AM
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[B]by the way those omegas, are fatty acids, or OILs as far you are are concerned.[B]
My BS detector kinda went wiggy when you discussed the omega stuff, kinda sounds like a snake oil (or flax seed oil) salesman pitch. Do you have any reputable links on this omega stuff? I've heard plenty about good cholesterol/bad cholesteral etc., but this is the first time I've heard about omegas.
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Old 03-31-2003, 11:46 AM
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Aha, just another name for polyunsaturated.

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