ET Law

[Contestant #3]

I found this while cruising the Internet:

On October 5,1982, Dr. Brain T. Clifford of the Pentagon announced at a
press conference ("The Star", New York, Oct. 5, 1982) that contact
between U.S., citizens and extra-terrestrials or their vehicles is
strictly illegal.

According to a law already on the books:

(Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, adopted
on July 16, 1969, before the Apollo moon shots), anyone guilty of such
contact automatically becomes a wanted criminal to be jailed for one
year and fined $5,000. The NASA administrator is empowered to determine
with or without a hearing that a person or object has been
"extraterrestrially exposed" and impose an indeterminate quarantine
under armed guard, which could not be broken even by court order.
There is no limit placed on the number of individuals who could thus
be arbitrarily quarantined.

http://www.rcbbs.com/ufolaw.htm




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Contestant #3

[Ringo]

And the question is...?

[Contestant #3]

Obvious.

If ETs do not exist, why does NASA and the Federal Government need laws on the books to deal with them?

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Contestant #3

[Ringo]

'Coz they might, and bear strange mites.

[Robb]

I wouldn't worry to much about the government rounding up people based on this. It was repealed some years ago. Right now, Title 14, Section 1211 is just a gap in the Code of Federal Regulations.

IIRC, NASA often quarantined astronauts upon return to earth. Does this suggest aliens, or just a safer way to deal with the unknown?

[EnigmaOne]

{{{On October 5,1982, Dr. Brain T. Clifford of the Pentagon announced at a
press conference ("The Star", New York, Oct. 5, 1982) that contact
between U.S., citizens and extra-terrestrials or their vehicles is
strictly illegal.}}}---Contestant #3

{{{I wouldn't worry to much about the government rounding up people based on this. It was repealed some years ago. Right now, Title 14, Section 1211 is just a gap in the Code of Federal Regulations.}}}---Robb

Yup, a search of the Fed reveals the following result:

0 documents found (0 returned) for Query :
() AND ((14) ADJ USC):CITE AND (USC w/10 (1211)):CITE

There's simply no such law currently on the books.
BTW.....Isn't "The Star" one of those supermarket checkout line rags?



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--Kalél
(The Original EnigmaOne)

[Contestant #3]

1211.100 Title 14 - Aeronautics and Space Part 1211 - Extra-terrestrial
Exposure

1211 100 - Scope

This part establishes:

(a) NASA policy, responsibility and authority to guard the Earth against
any harmful contamination or adverse changes in its environment
resulting from personnel, spacecraft and other property returning to
the Earth after landing on or coming within the atmospheric envelope of
a celestial body; and

(b) security requirements, restrictions and safeguards that are
necessary in the interest of national security.

1211.101 - Applicability

The provisions of this part to all NASA manned and unmanned space
missions which land or come within the atmospheric envelope of a
celestial body and return to the Earth.

1211.102 - Definitions

(a) "NASA" and the "Administrator" mean, respectively the National
Aeronautics and Space Administration and the administrator of the
National Aeronautics and Space Administration or his authorized
representative.

(b) "Extra-terrestrially exposed" means the state of condition of any
person, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever,
who or which has:

(1) Touched directly or come within the atmospheric envelope or any
other celestial body; or

(2) Touched directly or been in close proximity to (or been exposed
indirectly to) any person, property, animal or other form of
life or matter who or which has been extra-terrestrially exposed
by virtue of paragraph (b)(1) of this section.
For example, if person or thing "A" touches the surface of the
Moon, and on "A's" return to Earth, "B" touches "A" and,
subsequently, "C" touches "B", all of these - "A" trough "C"
inclusive - would be extra-terrestrially exposed ("A" and "B"
directly; "C" indirectly).

(c) "Quarantine" means the detention, examination and decontamination
of any persons, property, animal or other form of life or matter
whatever that is extra-terrestrially exposed, and includes the
apprehension or seizure of such person, property, animal or other
form of life or matter whatever.

(d) "Quarantine period" means a period of consecutive calendar days as
may be established in accordance with 1211.104 (a).

(a) Administrative actions. The Administrator or his designee..shall
in his discretion:

(1) Determine the beginning and duration of a quarantine period
with respect to any space mission; the quarantine period as
it applies to various life forms will be announced.

(2) Designate in writing quarantine officers to exercise quarantine
authority.

(3) Determine that a particular person, property, animal, or
other form of life or matter whatever is extra-terrestrially
exposed and quarantine such person, property, animal, or other
form of life or matter whatever. The quarantine may be based
only on a determination, with or without the benefit of a
hearing, that there is probable cause to believe that such
person, property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever
is extra-terrestrially exposed.

(4) Determine within the United States or within vessels or vehicles
of the United States the place, boundaries, and rules of
operation of necessary quarantine stations.

(5) Provide for guard services by contract or otherwise, as many be
necessary, to maintain security and inviolability of quarantine
stations and quarantined persons, property, animals or other form
of life or matter whatever.

(6) Provide for the subsistence, health and welfare of persons
quarantined under the provisions of this part.

(7) Hold such hearings at such times, in such manner and for such
purposes as may be desirable or necessary under this part,
including hearings for the purpose of creating a record for use
in making any determination under this part for the purpose of
reviewing any such determination.

(b) (3) During any period of announced quarantine, no person shall
enter or depart from the limits of the quarantine station
without permission of the cognizant NASA officer. During
such period, the posted perimeter of a quarantine station
shall be secured by armed guard.

(b) (4) Any person who enters the limits of any quarantine station
during the quarantine period shall be deemed to have
consented to the quarantine of his person if it is determined
that he is or has become extra-terrestrially exposed.

(b) (5) At the earliest practicable time, each person who is
quarantined by NASA shall be given a reasonable opportunity
to communicate by telephone with legal counsel or other
persons of his choice.

1211.107 Court or other process

(a) NASA officers and employees are prohibited from discharging from
the limits of a quarantine station any quarantined person,
property, animal or other form of life or matter whatever during
order or other request, order or demand an announced quarantine
period in compliance with a subpoena, show cause or any court or
other authority without the prior approval of the General Counsel
and the Administrator.

(b) Where approval to discharge a quarantined person, property, animal
or other form of life or matter whatever in compliance with such a
request, order or demand of any court or other authority is not
given, the person to whom it is directed shall, if possible, appear
in court or before the other authority and respectfully state his
inability to comply, relying for his action on this 1211.107.

1211.108 Violations

Whoever willfully violates, attempts to violate, or conspires to
violate any provision of this part or any regulation or order issued
under this part or who enters or departs from the limits of a quarantine
station in disregard of the quarantine rules or regulations or without
permission of the NASA quarantine officer shall be fined not more that
$5,000 or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

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Contestant #3

[Gilmour]

Read The Andrommeda Strain. Then perhaps you will understand our governments paranoia on this subject.

[Czarcasm]

This is just a continuation of Connie's U.F.O. thread. He's going to pretend that he didn't see the many arguments against his illogical and ill thought out ideas.
If you want to skip this thread for the next few days, just reread his last U.F.O. thread to hear his use of quotations in place of facts, calling of names of those who don't worship Art Bell, and his ever constant"Prove it DIDN'T happen!" refrain.
If I'm wrong, and he finally presents REAL evidence, I will apologize to him.
Yea, right.

[Contestant #3]

Hey Slythe,

I know...maybe I can move the PC out to the garage and aim my webcam at the alien spaceship that I'm stashing out there so that I PROVE you you that ETs exist!!!!
One problem though...this message board doesn't support webcams...dammit!!...I STILL can't prove it to you!!

I just don't know how I'm gonna be able to provide physical proof for your inspection and assessment over an internet message board.

Perhaps you could help me out here by listing the type of proof that you are looking for and the method that I should use to present it to you...

...balls in your court Slythe...

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Contestant #3

C3, the law you've posted doesn't really proclaim the existence of alien lifeforms. Its use of the phrase "extra-terrestially exposed" means a Earth lifeform that has traveled to outer space. This law is recognizing the existence of space travel not aliens.

[John Bredin]

"1211.107 Court or other process

(a) NASA officers and employees are prohibited from discharging from the limits of a quarantine station any quarantined person ... in compliance with a subpoena, show cause or any court or other authority without the prior approval of the General Counsel and the Administrator.

(b) Where approval to discharge ... is not given, the person to whom it is directed shall, if possible, appear in court or before the other authority and respectfully state his inability to comply, relying for his action on this 1211.107."

So, in other words, because the NASA Administrator has decided not to release someone in quarantine despite a writ of habeas corpus, he doesn't go himself before the judge who ordered habeas but instead sends some low-level NASA bureaucrat to basically tell the judge that NASA wants his Honor to, with all due respect, stick his writ where the sun doesn't shine. Which brings to mind two questions:
1) How would you like to have THAT job?
2) Does NASA remind their employee before he goes to court to bring his toothbrush with him?

[Robb]

#3, no one is suggesting that section 1211 of Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations never existed. It did. Now it is no more.

I have difficulty seeing how this regulation acts as proof of extraterristrial life.

Besides, the 'article' you ask us to read exaggerates greatly. This regulation would only apply to people working for NASA - most of humanity doesn't fit this description. The Regulation could not have been secretly enacted into law. As a Regulation, Congress gave NASA the power to write regulations on this matter. The only way that this was a secret process is that it is a voluminous process. In many years, the book where these regualtion are first published contains more than 50,000 pages. Clearly, no one reads every page.

The Regulation couldn't really be used to hold someone forever. At the same time that you make your writ of habeas corpus, why not include a writ of mandamus to compel the General Counsel and the Administrator to grant their approval to the release.

This repealed regulation neither stands for the proposition you assert, nor was it as terrifyingly dictatorial as the article asserted.

And really, Dr. Brain?

[Czarcasm]

Connie, same as before.
ANY evidence would be appreciated.
As if this hasn't been asked of you by a great many people. It's now your turn to
1. Change the subject
2. Swear at me again.
3. Start quoting again, and...
4. Pretend that we haven't gone through this before.