Bush & Tom Ridge Want To Amnesty 12 Million Illegals - Isn’t This Treason?
The first duty of the President of the United States is to defend the territory and people of the United States. Any President who knowingly works to assist persons attacking the territory and people of the United States is providing aid and comfort to an enemy of the United States.
A President who by himself and through his appointees is knowingly working to assist 12 million people who have invaded the United States, knowingly committed numerous felonies by invading our borders, evaded all of our laws, raided our treasury, and run our citizens out of their own neighborhoods in every city in the United States is guilty of what? Dereliction of duty? Malfeasance in office? Corruption? Insanity?
How about…Treason?
Later in this thread we’ll look at the link to Homeland Insecurity Secretary Tom Ridge’s Florida question-and-answer session in which he stated that the Bush policy is a blanket amnesty for every illegal now within our borders.
Would someone please explain to me how this is not treason? Would someone please expain to me how giving aid and comfort to an invading army of 12 million (and climbing every day) hostile alien criminals (yes…every one is ipso facto a felon) who have openly proclaimed a collective intention to achieve Reconquista in as much of the United States as they can occupy and take over is not an act of treason?
The President of the United States is granted by the Constitution the power to pardon federal felons- including these illegal aliens. And only a small percentage of them seriously want a “reconquista”; most of these illegal immigrants are here seeking work.
Whether or not it is a good idea to pardon so many illegal aliens at once, without going over the indiviual cases, is another debate.
While illegal immigrants are certainly breaking the law (and while, if you’re right that the President is considering a general amnesty, I think it’s a bad idea), it’s not treason to grant them amnesty.
I wouldn’t call illegal immigrants an “invading army”…their goal isn’t conquest of the US, they don’t share a common goal (other than to move here and live their lives), they’re not under foreign leadership, they’re not organized into any sort of structure, they’re from all over the world, and generally, don’t have anything in common with an army.
And, while some Hispanics talk about the establishment of a Hispanic country in the American Southwest, that hardly represents the goals of most illegal immigrants. (and in fact, the leadership of the Aztlan movement is made up mostly of American citizens)
How is An Invasion By 12 million+ Aliens Who Despise Your People and Covet Your Land Not An Invasion?
Here are two links to Tom Ridge’s asinine performance in Florida in which, as the head of America’s security agency (!!), he proclaimed that, whether we Americans like it or not, his regime intends to allow at least 12 million criminal invaders to get away with their invasion and occupation of our territory. And, of course, as we learned with the 1986 “limited” amnesty that was sold to us by the Republican capitalist huckster Jack Kemp, the initial population of each of these amnesties is just the tip of the iceberg because the amnestied army of invaders are always successful in using chain migration gimmicks that our Federal rulers smile upon to bring an unending chain of relatives in behind them.
You know, despite the fact that they are from another country, they are human beings just like you and me. Just because somebody got a bad roll on the cosmic dice and was born in Mexico doesn’t mean that they are evil for going to the United States looking for better opportunity.
Is it actually a felony to illegally immigrate? Cite?
Even if it is, so what? Amnesty is about forgiveness. That’s why Presidents have the power to pardon.
:rolleyes:
Look, I despise GWB as much as anyone but this amnesty is one of the very few things I support him on.
The US benefits greatly from these workers and their influx does not constitute an “invasuion” in any menaingful sense of the word. They do not represent a hostile military incursion and your charges of “treason” are utterly absurd.
I can’t believe you’re making me defend George Bush. I don’t think anyone’s done that to me before.
I don’t like many of the opinions in Reason Magazine, but this time they had an article with supporting facts.
And while I would not put it like Monster104, your charge of treason still needs to have a big fat cite, your links so far do not have anybody even talking about your wild accusation of treason.
PS: Charles A Lindbergh, you should now that I was benefited by Reagan’s actions, measures that I consider done because he realized what a rotten thing he did supporting the reactionary governments of Latin America at the time.
I do wish this would be moved to the Pit because, while Monster104 is out of line here, It is only because of the location of this thread, you really don’t know how hard is for me to keep civility with fiends like you.
How is this in ANY WAY saying the Bush admin is GOING TO grant amnesty? Furthermore, it flies in the face of my cite, quoting the President a week after Tom Ridge gave his interview.
In other words, Charles A Lindbergh’s OP is fatally flawed, and he is dead wrong in pretty much everything he wrote.
And again, apologies for bringing personal insults into GD…got mixed up in which browser window I had selected when I posted.
So, DreadCthulhu, your “thinking” is that since “most of these illegal immigrants are here seeking work” that their invasion is OK with you and your Republican buddies? How stupid are you? Of course they want jobs! The jobs of every American who used to be able to support a wife and family comfortably as a blue-collar worker. For ALL of American history until this Republican-assisted invasion the vast majority of Americans have been blue-collar workers. You obviously haven’t been too near any blue-collar work in a while DreadCthulhu…or you would be aware that for every American blue-collar worker life is now a race-to-the-bottom of plummeting wages, vanishing benefits, unpaid overtime, and absolutely ZERO chance that your children will ever be able to raise a family on the same blue collar jobs that their fathers and grandfathers did just fine in before the Republican-assisted and -enabled immigration invasion. As for the President’s power to pardon felons I have only two comments for you: 1) so what!, and; 2) he doesn’t have the power to pardon himself…especially of TREASON. And assisting the overrunning of the land and people that you are SWORN and OBLIGATED by DUTY to DEFEND is TREASON. What word would you prefer for this? If this isn’t treason, what is? Aiding and abetting an enemy army that will leave after a war is FAR LESS DAMAGING to our land and people than aiding and abetting the entire population of the enemy’s people moving themselves and all of their relatives onto your land and taking it over…FOREVER! Conquering armies go home after a few years. Conquering invasions of illegal immigrants NEVER GO HOME voluntarily. They aren’t here to beat you in a battle…they are here to take the neighborhoods that your parents and grandparents grew up in. They are here to take over the schools that your ancestors attended.
Sorry, Captain Amazing, your thinking is just as pathetic as the fellow ahead of you. Their goal is conquest, pal. They do share a common goal. Have you been anywhere within 20 miles of any major American city in the last five years? Are you living in a gated community? Are you commuting from your gated community in your air-conditioned SUV to your high-rise job in a glass box? Have you actually walked through any portion of the 9/10 of Los Angeles that is now indistinguishable from Mexico City? Have you been anywhere inside the doors of any of the County Hospitals that now deliver (for free) 90% of their babies to illegal aliens? (instant “citizens” thanks to your Republican friends…last time I checked it was Republicans that were in total control of the U.S. government for the last 3 years). I like your idiotic statement that “they’re from all over the world, don’t have anything in common with an army” and “they’re not under foreign leadership.” Boy…I’m sure glad that there are 5 million Vietnamese, Chinese, Asian Indians, Filipinos, Guatamalans, and Iranians in Southern California to balance out the 15 million Mexicans that are in Southern California. You’re right about their being a little different from an army. Armies go home. Invaders don’t. Oh…by the way, I’m glad that you’re happy because they’re not under foreign leadership. No, pal, they’re right now taking over YOUR government. They aren’t under foreign leadership…but you soon will be! If you live in Californian you ALREADY ARE under their leadership. You already ARE a minority in the largest (by far) of the States…a State that was 90+% White in my lifetime, and had no immigration invasion going on at all…in my lifetime. And I’m not old.
Very good, Monster104. You’re big on talk. After you finish washing out your talking mouth with soap strong enough to handle your inability to communicate with anything other than ghetto lingo, you might consider the possibility that our open borders President is also big on talk, just like you! I’m not too interested in what el presidente Boosh enunciates. I’m interested in what he does.
Oops, now I have to apologize to you Monster104, there were so many posts on the preview window that I missed your regrets. So, I do understand you, the OP on the other hand…
Listen Charles, close relatives of mine were or are in the Army, as residents or citizens, we are part of a conquering army all right (Iraq if you are not paying attention), we risk our lives to invade other nations even if we don’t agree with the president, but we also believe in America, you obviously do not.
This is bright thinking, Blalron! Your standards sure are high! As long as someone “is a human being” then they are entitled to “look for a better opportunity” in your land. Gee…let’s see…there are close to 7 billion human beings on planet Earth. Approximately 6 billion of them would desperately like to “look for a better opportunity” in the United States, Canada, Europe, or Australia.
Hey…you’re a sharp guy Blalron, let 'em all in! After all…they’re human beings!
By the way, I’m a human being. I’d like to “look for a better opportunity”. If you’ve got anything nice over at your house or at the homes of any of your family members, would you mind too much if I just invaded your property and helped myself to as many of those “opportunities” as I could grab?
Hey…you’re also missing my main point: the Mexicans are opportunists. Of course they’re coming by the tens of millions; George Bush and the Republican Party are ENFORCING UNLIMITED IMMIGRATION INVASION. George Bush and his Republican ilk are the real criminals. George Bush and the Republican Party are the folks with the guns. George Bush and the Republican Party are the ones with the entire U.S. Army enforcing border control on the Euphrates River instead of along the Rio Grande. Every poll ever taken in America shows 90% opposition to open borders. Every Republican government since the Neocons took over the Republican Party has IMPOSED OPEN BORDERS AGAINST THE WILL of the American people.
So, despite Tom Ridge NEVER saying that the Bush Admin is going to offer blanket amnesty, and Bush outright saying there won’t be blanket amnesty, Charles A Lindbergh insists that they ARE going to.
And yet you’re the one posting the baseless drivel.
Thanks for letting me know that I “obviously don’t believe in America” Gigobuster, while your “resident” relatives who are guaranteeing both free college, free job training, and free U.S. citizenship by spending a few years in the new U.S. military obviously do believe in America. Who wouldn’t believe in such a good deal?
The “America” that I believe in Gigobuster is the same one that ALL of my ancestorys on ALL of the branches of my family tree fought over in the Indian Wars, the American Revolution, the War of 1812, the Texas War of Independence, the Mexican-American War, the War Between the States, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and right now the War-to-Make-the-Middle-East-Safer-for-Israeli conquest of a few square miles.
These are the same ancestors who elected a Congress and President that enacted the Immigration Quota Act of 1921 which declared that ony 150,000 immigrants would ever be allowed into the United States per year and that 87% of them were to be Northern Europeans…by U.S. law, and another 12% of them were to be Southern Europeans. The Quota Act allowed practically ZERO non-White immigration into America. That was a very different America wasn’t it. That law, the 1921 Quota Act, was in effect until 1965 by the way. And similar laws and practices had been in effect ever since the 17th Century in America. The America that I and 12 generations of my ancestors believed in for 350 years. And still believe in.
No, Blalron, I’m not big on talk; I’m big on reality.
If I get in my car and drive in any direction for one hour I will be driving through wall-to-wall Mexicans, Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Somalis, Pakistanis, Iranians, Guatamalans, Salvadorans, Cambodians, Filipinos, Indonesians, Indians, Haitians, Puerto Ricans, Nigerians and so on. That’s reality.
And in the next 30 days how many of those non-Americans that have occupied every single Southern California town that I myself recall as being White…within my lifetime will be deported by the Republican government that has had a complete monopoly on the police power over who may reside here?
Answer? NONE!!!
Talk to the former head of the San Diego office of the U.S. Border Patrol. I have. I know him. That’s his answer.: NONE!!!
Let’s do the math boys and girls. With a Republican government we get an acknowledged minimum of 2 million illegals crashing into our neighborhoods every year. We get an acknowledged minimum of 2 million babies born to the previous batches of illegals every year. And how many of these invaders does the Republican police power deport?
ZERO!
Now…the George Bush Census Bureau itself tells us that the population of the United States will be 500 million by the year 2050. The George Bush Census Bureau tells us that 300 million of those “residents” will invaders or the children of invaders.
The George Bush Census Bureau itself informs those of us still capable of independent thought that without that influx of 300 million immigrant invaders, the United States of 2050 would have had a population of 200 million, all of them descendants of Americans, and 90+% of them White.
Now…let’s think about that. Which America would you rather live in if you were to put yourself in the shoes of your grandchildren? A 90% White American with 200 million people? Or a 40% White America with 500 people packing onto crumbling freeways and into Mexico-city-style neighborhoods?
Funny thing is, I was just talking to my uncle, who was complaining about the company he works for(he works in boat manufactoring) moving some of their operations to Mexico. Most of my family has been blue collar or enlisted military, not upper crust type stuff. And also, to nitpick, for a large part of American history, the majority of Americans were FARMERS, not blue-collar manufactors.
Times and the economy changes. For the most part, these illegal aliens want to take crap jobs in agriculture, or really no skill stuff. (Of course, you have some who come here to suck off the public welfare - blame Democrats for letting them do that, if Republicans had their way there wouldn’t be any welfare for them to take advantage of. Dismantle or rescrict the welfare programs, as I support, would fix that problem.)
But the really big killer of American manufactor jobs hasn’t been illegal immigrants, it has been the fact that other countries (like China) are more efficient at doing those jobs, and putting up tarriffs to make it possible for Americans to compete for low-skill manufactoring would make everything more expensive. I DON’T want to go back to a 1950’s standard of living just so some uneducated smuck can get a job producing overpriced crap.
You know, people said the SAME EXACT things about the Irish, and Italians, and Poles, ect, when they first started moving to this country in large numbers. I hope you don’t think all those Catholic Mexicans are trying to secrectly put the Pope in charge of everything. Really, the vast bulk of the Mexican immigrants are here trying to make a better life for themselves. Which is exactly what my ancestors came here to America to do. I can’t blame them without being hippocritical. My ancectors came here chasing animal herds, or wanting their own farm land, and some of them just wanted to get a job that would be considered a sweatshop today.
The few who want to “reconquista” things are considered nutcases within the Hispanic community.
That being said, I do think that a blanket amensty would be a bad thing. To much of a secruity risk, for one thing. Immigration laws need to be revised so that those who want to work can come to this country, but have some method of screening out those who just want to suck off the welfare.
In the long term, this country needs more people if it wants to stay competative on the world geopolitical scene, when stacked up against billion person nations like India or China in the coming decades.(Not to mention, passing Europe in population to keep them from being a problem since they seem to be getting their act together and uniting, and they are further along in development than anyone but the US & and couple of other nations) Since Americans are not having enough kids, we will have to let immigrants in to take up the slack.