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Old 03-14-2004, 07:22 PM
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ADL Study on Hispanic American Anti-Semitism

The Anti Defamation league recently conducted a study on American anti-Semitism.

They broke the results down by ethnicity and education level in the "Strongly Anti-Semitic" category. Here are the findings.

Stongly Anti-Semitic:

17% of Americans were found to be strongly anti-Semitic

of this total:

35% of Hispanics were anti Semitic:
*44% of foreign-born Hispanics
* 20% of Hispanic Americans born in U.S.

35% of African-Americans were anti-Semitic

3% of U.S. college and university students were anti-Semitic

here is the link:

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/...=%3C%2FFONT%3E
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Old 03-14-2004, 07:40 PM
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Which part of this would you like us to debate?
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Old 03-14-2004, 07:45 PM
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This study is ridiculous:

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Anti-Israel feelings are triggering anti-Semitism. For the first time, negative attitudes toward Israel and concern that American Jews have too much influence over U.S. Middle East policy are helping to foster anti-Semitic beliefs. Slightly more than half of Americans (51%) said the U.S. has been tilting too much toward Israel, while three-quarters of the most anti-Semitic Americans (73%) said they felt this way. While 41% of Americans say their sympathies are more with Israel than with Arab countries, sympathies are more closely divided among the most anti-Semitic Americans (29% sympathetic to Israel versus 23% sympathetic to Arab countries.) The most anti-Semitic Americans were four times as likely (42%) to believe that American Jewish leaders have too much influence over U.S. foreign policy than Americans holding non anti-Semitic beliefs (11%).
Of course anti-Semites are more likely to hold anti-Zionist beliefs. I don't see how that means anti-Zionism is fueling anti-Semitism.
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Old 03-14-2004, 08:13 PM
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Which part of this would you like us to debate?

Can you explain why this is??

Why do the Hispanics feel this way??

What would be the causes of such alarming anti-Semitism and what would be the solutions??

Why do African Americans have such a high percentage of Anti Semites??

I am curious.
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Old 03-14-2004, 08:15 PM
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Can you explain why this is??

Why do the Hispanics feel this way??

What would be the causes of such alarming anti-Semitism and what would be the solutions??

Why do African Americans have such a high percentage of Anti Semites??

I am curious.
And to think some people say only whites can be racist.
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Old 03-14-2004, 08:31 PM
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And to think some people say only whites can be racist.
Yep, those people are wrong for sure.

Anything else, or can we wrap it up over here?
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Old 03-14-2004, 10:59 PM
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How does this break down by ethnic group (i.e. Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican) and by state or region?

I am Mexican-American and I have lived in Texas for most of my life and I can honestly say I have never seen, heard, or witnessed anti-Jewish behavior or attitudes in my entire life here by any Hispanic person. Then again, there are relatively few Jewish people here - and some of them happen to be of Mexican origin as well. In Mexico itself, there is some pro-Palestinian anti-Israeli feeling, especially in the political left and intellectual circles (in some cases by people who are themselves Jewish) - but I don't see it translate into hatred against people of the Judaic faith or certainly not any form of "racism".

"Hispanics" are hardly a monoloithic group, and it includes people of many races and religions including quite a few Jews. Maybe is some other communities there are stronger attitudes.

Now, Spain does have a long history of anti-Semitism, so there is no denying that "Hispanic" culture may carry a lot of baggage from the Inquisition era. But I suspect most of this "Anti-Semitism" takes place in communities where there are also tensions between other groups such as African-Americans, Italian-Americans, and so forth.
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Old 03-15-2004, 07:12 AM
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Can you explain why this is??

Why do the Hispanics feel this way??
Historical inertia would work. Spain was institutionally extremely anti-Semitic for quite a while. You will note that antisemitism among hispanics born in the USA is a good deal lower. Thus, the attitude is not one that is endemic to being hispanic.
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Old 03-15-2004, 08:16 AM
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Is there something you aren't telling us, Salvador? Your other post, misposted in GQ, was about the Aztlan movement, and you included a line in there that "No Jews will be allowed in Aztlan," and that you supported separation movements of all kinds.

Do you want this thread to go into a discussion of Mestizo separatist movements or are you honestly looking for reasons behind whatever Hispanic antisemitism is around?

To address the latter question, I would also add that there are many very devout Catholics amongst Hispanics, and many antisemitic aspects were part of that religion until the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. Some may still be perpetuated. It is just a guess, though.

I would also add that amongst revolutionary movements and left-wing groups, there is wide sympathy for the Palestinian cause. With this comes often accepting certain Arab world misinformation campaigns at face value, which starts to stray into antisemitic territory.
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Old 03-15-2004, 01:05 PM
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Is there something you aren't telling us, Salvador? Your other post, misposted in GQ, was about the Aztlan movement, and you included a line in there that "No Jews will be allowed in Aztlan," and that you supported separation movements of all kinds.
There is a lot that Salvador is not telling us, in particular that he is a white racist seeking to justify his own attitudes by projecting them on others:

Critical Facts one will never learn in School.
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Old 03-15-2004, 03:29 PM
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syncrolecyne,

Of course you've inadvertantly hit on it (as I've pointed out elsewhere): "... there are relatively few Jewish people here" ... lack of exposure to other than to that filtered through the media and past cultural baggage results in a distorted conception of "The Jew." Consequently it is easy to hold unrealistic stereotypes both negative and positive alike. Likewise an unacceptable number of Jews likely hold some unrealistic Hispanic stereotypes and are ignorant of much of the depth and variety of the component cultures. We tend to be concentrated in diffferent regions of the country and even in the same cities tend to live in different sections. To the detriment of both methinks.
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Old 03-15-2004, 06:11 PM
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There is a lot that Salvador is not telling us, in particular that he is a white racist seeking to justify his own attitudes by projecting them on others:

Critical Facts one will never learn in School.
Yeah, I found that out, too, in this thread/.
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Old 03-15-2004, 06:27 PM
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It is completely amazing to me how posters here can not debate the actual topic. Wierd, really.

Never been on a board quite like this, and I have been on many boards, as John has found out.

btw John, my Segfriedson handle was at Protest Warrior, not SF.
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Old 03-15-2004, 06:28 PM
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It is completely amazing to me how posters here can not debate the actual topic. Wierd, really.

Never been on a board quite like this, and I have been on many boards, as John has found out.

btw John, my Siegfriedson screen name was at Protest Warrior, not SF.
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Old 03-15-2004, 08:06 PM
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Can you explain why this is??

Why do the Hispanics feel this way??

What would be the causes of such alarming anti-Semitism and what would be the solutions??

Why do African Americans have such a high percentage of Anti Semites??

I am curious.
Maybe they've been spending lots of time on STORMFRONT, and have picked up their ideas there.
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Old 03-15-2004, 08:20 PM
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Here is the key quote:

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3% of U.S. college and university students were anti-Semitic
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Hispanics, particularly foreign born Hispanics, are less likely to have attended a university. The same is true of African-Americans.

My guess is that if you normalized for education, the level of anti-Semitism or, indeed, racism would be very close to the same regardless of ethnicity. That is, right around 3% of college educated Hispanics and right around 35% of uneducated Whites would have anti-Semetic views.

While we're at it, there are plenty of racist Jews out there too. Shameful but very true.

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