Aztlan Will Rise.

Talk to any racially concious Hispanic and you will hear him/her murmur-- Aztlan.

“Aztlan” is the name of the new Hispanic homeland that Mexican American nationalist seek to form, in an area which now encompasses the American Southwest.

Mexican Americans, who are racially Mestizos primarily of Aztec, Mayan and Pueblo descent, feel that the American SW was unfairly acquired by the Spanish, by the US in the Mexican American War, and the White man.

The Aztlan Nationalist do not intend to wage an armed uprising, instead, much like the Palestinian takeover of greater Palestine :cool: , they will seek it through birth-rate and birth-right. It will be a demographic takeover. They intend to support unquestionable large scale illegal immigration and flood the area with Mestizo seeking a new homeland.

Then the new Aztlaners will simply vote the anglos out of power, through an American democratic process.

The remaining Anglos living in the area will either voluntarily leave or will be assimilated into the new empowered Aztlan Nation.

Jews will not be allowed to be a part of Aztlan.

For more information on Aztlan, go to:

La Voz de Aztlan (in English)

aztlan.net/

Opps, this was meant to go in the debate forum. Mods can you please move the thread. Thanks.

Good Luck. Most of your “people” just want a job and to be left alone.

What’s a “racially conscious Hispanic”? Does this include Salavadorans? Guatemalans? Columbians? Are Dominicans and Puerto Ricans even remotely interested in Aztlan? What about Cubans? Is this a triguena only state? Would morenos be welcome as well?

I suspect the OP is troll bait. He’s pretending to be Chicano and an advocate of Aztlan with the intent of stirring up hostility towards Latinos.

Aztlan is only inclusive to Mestizo or pure Indians.

I support seperation movements of all kinds. I’m not pretending. Sorry Chum!!! :eek:

You realize, of course, that there are white Latinos.

In Mexico proper, there are vigorous Indian separatist movements. So mestizos and puros don’t always get along so well.

I still read you as a troll. Is playing at white Nationalism part of your assimilation process, like listening to heavy metal music and wearing Goth clothes?

No one has yet asked the most important question:

When Atzlan comes back, will it be bringing pie?

Anyone can build a web site. What is the evidence of broad popular support for a nation of Aztlan?

BTW, for the OP; you seem to assume that no one here has ever heard of this before. You might want to try out the “search” function. Go back about six months, and you should find a similar thread, which was most likely a troll by (another?) White Nationalist.

The Aztlan site crashed my browser. Plus it looked maybe anti-Semitic.

Boo!

The anti-Semitic line in the original post seems suspect, as I can’t recall hearing this as part of Aztlan “canon”. The rest is more or less accurate, but never stated quite so baldly. And the greatest caveat, of course, is that this is mostly waved around by some lib arts intelligentsia. And by fringe groups, who at least aren’t hypocritical in that they’re pretty much only good at breeding.

That sounded a bit harsh. It’s just another harmless crackpot idea, backed by social and economic resentment. And of course, the “historical” angle just gives it another spurious argument to wield.

Note, I’m a Latino, raised in Central America. Lived in California for seven years. Now back in Central America getting my master’s.

Off to Great Debates.

DrMatrix - GQ Moderator

As a resident of Tucson, I’d like to say that I’m all for being assimilated.

I welcome our new Aztlan masters.

Am I the only one wondering what the debate is here?

“racially concious Hispanic” would be totally offended by the term ‘hispanic’ for one thing…least thats why all my cousins say. The correct (PC) term is ‘latino’ now a days. I know…I’m a mestizo myself and several of my family are fairly radical (I’ve actually heard of the great SW take over scheme…the way I heard it was that these motivated latino’s would buy up the land as well as take over through population…sort of like what the Jews did in Palistine before Israel was formed). Its all a bunch of bullshit though.

Many of my hispanic bretheren and sist’ren are basically being assimilated into the white mans world (I’m one of these traitor latino’s myself…I even have a white wife, which used to be a no no) and there is no real will to do something stupid like this outside of a few nutballs out there. I remember when I was a young lad, and we talked about how nice it would be if the South West seceeded from the Union (we were vague as to exactly WHY this would be nice, except we’d be out from under the thumb of The Man and could do as we pleased, blah blah blah). It was all a pipe dream, and a stupid pipe dream at that. Even if we somehow managed to seceed from the union peacefully, and even if we grabbed Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, and California, we still could never support ourselves economically. Not that the union is ever likely to just let us go (well, they might toss out California on reflection).

-XT

I thought the “Kosher Nostra Scam” article was pretty funny, actually.

As well, we are being addressed by a person whose username means, I believe, approximately “savior” and carries very clear Christ-like implications.

Now, maybe a username like “elucidator” implies a certain egocentricity and chutzpah, but, I mean, really…

This is an obvious troll. Like its been said they handfull of people who do genuinely have these views wouldn’t be caught dead calling themselves “Hispanic”.

I am a racially conscious Mexican. As such I am fully aware that my ancestry includes Mexica, Yaquí, and other “Indians”; Spaniards, Basques, Celts, and Visigoth (who I suspect are “white”), and Arabs and Jews - whole boatloads of Sephardic Jews.

Anyway, that site was probably made by some nutcase who wants to “prove” Mexicans are a bunch of whiteyhating, racist invaders. Explain how I never heard of this vast organization in all my life, being a longtime resident of the occupied territory of Aztlán?

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… As such I am fully aware that my ancestry includes Mexica, Yaquí, and other “Indians”; Spaniards, Basques, Celts, and Visigoth (who I suspect are “white”), and Arabs and Jews - whole boatloads of Sephardic Jews.

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Holy cow! All of that! Do you come from a long line of frantic international sluts?

This unfortunately reminds me of… I think it was Charles A. Lindbergh with his posts about how Mexicans were plotting to steal California with illegal immigration. :stuck_out_tongue:

Four people in a garage somewhere does not a movement make. :rolleyes:

Salvador, like some other recent posters here, you seem to be having trouble understanding the idea of a debate. Here’s how it works: you take a position and (I admit this part is tough) support it with evidence.

I think you’d need to more than triple the national Latin population for that to work - and that’s assuming ALL of them are “Aztlaners.” So pardon me if I’m not terribly concerned.

The only people I’ve ever heard mutter about “Aztlan” are Los Lobos fans. :smiley: