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Bibilophiles! Need advice on buying 30K of American literature
Folks, what we have here is a golden opportunity. I have been charged with procuring approximately USD 30,000 worth of American literature. Fiction and non-fiction are the rough genres, going back to say, de Tocqueville and the Federalist Papers. It's harder than you think. Any ideas?
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I'm not going to italicize these, i'll just make a list.
That's all I have for now. I'm sure I can think of a bunch more later, but I want to see what other Dopers add first. |
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If you're going for a complete library, you'll have to include Hemmingway. I'd also vote for some Spider-Man, but that probably doesn't fit your boss' definition of literature.
Hawthorne? Poe? Twain? Uncle Tom's Cabin? I'm sure you can get dollar copies of these. Copy of the Constitution? I assume that you're going for one of those cultural center sorts of things. How about Spillane (the man who nearly outsold the Bible), Hammett and Chandler? I have to admit that aside from the aforementioned, my knowledge of American literature sucks balls. |
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Those already mentioned and
Civil Disobedience, Walking, Walden - Thoreau
The Scarlet Letter - Hawthorne Uncle Tom's Cabin - Stowe Moby Dick - Melville Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass - Douglass Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl - Jacobson Portrait of a Lady - James Huckleberryt Finn, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, and Pudd'nhead Wilson - Twain The Red Badge of Courage - Crane An American Tragedy - Dreiser The Awakening - Chopin The House of Mirth, The Age of Innocence, and Ethan Frome - Wharton Up from Slavery - Washington My Antonia - Willa Cather The Great Gatsby - Fitzgerald In Our Time, The Sun Also Rises, and A Farewell to Arms Hemingway Main Street or Babbitt - Lewis The Sound and the Fury, and Absalom, Absalom - Faulkner The Grapes of Wrath - Steinbeck Native Son - Wright The Iceman Cometh - O'Neill A Streetcar Named Desire - Williams The Crucible and Death of a Salesman - Miller Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? - Albee Invisible Man - Ellison All The Kings Men - Warren Henderson the Rain King -Bellow Catcher in the Rye - Salinger Armies of the Night - Mailer Song of Solomon - Morrison The Natural - Malmud Go Tell It on the Mountain - Baldwin John Updike - any of the rabbit novels Little Women - Alcott I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings - Angelou Fahrenheit 451, Something Wicked This Way Comes, and Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury War and Rememberance - Wouk The Color Purple - Walker Slaughterhouse Five - Vonnegut Breakfast at Tiffany's - Capote 2001: Space Odyssey - Clarke The Last of the Mohicans - Cooper Poetry by T.S. Eliot e.e. cummings Walt Whitman Emily Dickinson Robert Frost |
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Darn... I forgot
Some James Michener, any or all of it Some Stephen King The Call of the Wild, The Sea Wolf and White Fang - Jack London Lonesome Dove, Terms of Endearment and The Last Picture Show - Larry McMurtry |
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Definitely some Raymond Chandler. And Jim Thompson. Pop. 1280 would be my pick.
For Mark Twain, I'd go with the later stuff - The Mysterious Stranger (usually part of a short story collection) is the perfect example. Also the "USA" trilogy by Dos Passos. Maybe Last Exit To Brooklyn by Selby and Naked Lunch by Burroughs for the more decadent, arty stuff. ANd I'll second Native Son. Essential. Although I think Invisible Man was boring as a turd. I'm sure I'll think of more when I wake up. |
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A good site for some one-stop shopping: http://www.loa.org/
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• Basic Documents in American History, ed. by Richard B. Morris
• Hamilton, Madison, and Jay, The Federalist Papers, ed. by Clinton Rossiter • Washington Irving, The Sketch-Book • Ralph Waldo Emerson, Essays • Nathaniel Hawthorne, The Scarlet Letter; short stories • Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America • Edgar Allan Poe, The Short Fiction of Edgar Allan Poe: An Annotated Edition, ed. by Stuart and Susan Levine • Harriet Beecher Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin • Henry David Thoreau, The Annotated Walden, ed. by Philip Van Doren Stern • Herman Melville, Moby Dick and Bartleby the Scrivener • Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass • Emily Dickinson, Collected Poems • James Truslow Adams, The Founding of New England • Mark Twain, The Annotated Huckleberry Finn, ed. by Michael Patrick Hearn • Henry Adams, The Education of Henry Adams, ed. by Ernest Samuels • William James, The Principles of Psychology; Pragmatism; The Varieties of Religious Experience; The Meaning of Truth • Henry James, The Ambassadors • Edith Wharton, The Custom of the Country; The Age of Innocence; The House of Mirth • Frederick Jackson Turner, Frontier in American History • Booth Tarkington, The Magnificent Ambersons • Robert Frost, Collected Poems • Sinclair Lewis, Main Street and Babbitt • Eugene O'Neill, Mourning Becomes Electra; The Iceman Cometh; Long Day's Journey Into Night • T.S. Eliot, Collected Poems • William Faulkner, The Sound and the Fury; As I Lay Dying • Benjamin Spock, Dr. Spock's Baby and Child Care • F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby • Dale Carnegie, How to Win Friends and Influence People • Ernest Hemingway, Short Stories • Vladimir Nabokov, Lolita • Saul Bellow, The Adventures of Augie March; Herzog; Humboldt's Gift • James McPherson, Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era • Taylor Branch, Parting the Waters: America in the King Years 1954-1963 • John Kennedy Toole, A Confederacy of Dunces • Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird • Edmund Morris, The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt • Betty Friedan, The Feminine Mystique • Truman Capote, In Cold Blood • John Cheever, The Stories of John Cheever • Daniel J. Boorstin, The Americans: The Democratic Experience • Perry Miller, The Life of the Mind in America • Norman Mailer, The Executioner's Song • Ray Bradbury, The Stories of Ray Bradbury |
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At a minimum, you need Going After Cacciato, The Things They Carried, and In the Lake of the Woods.There are two other contemporary fiction writers you need to have in any decent collection. By Louise Erdrich, you need Love Medicine, Tracks, and The Last Report on the Miracles at Little No Horse. And the greatest work of 20th Century American literature, bar none, David Foster Wallace's Infinite Jest. |
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What a great assignment!
In addition to the obvious greats of the past, these are the contemporary authors I think are going to matter in the future: Thomas Wolfe Richard Ford Jon Krakauer Walker Percy P.J. O'Rourke Don Delillo |
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For Fiction:
A few years back, the folks over at Random House published a list of the 100 Best Novels of the Twentieth Century. Of course, there was much dissention about the list. Some folks over at Radcliffe responded with a rival list, and Random House held a poll for the readers to come up with their own list. There are some definite stinkers on all the lists--the "readers" poll seemed to be skewed by a bunch of scientologists. And it encompasses all English Language works, not just American. But if an American book is mentioned on at least two of the lists, I'd say it's probably worth having. And a suggestion for me: Don't forget to include "Young Adult" novels. They are very important in American Literature. For Non-fiction: This is a lot harder, I think. It really depends what the purpose of the collection is. Is it supposed to be a repository of "Great American Books," or is it supposed to be a reflection of American culture. Or both? Because a book like "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" may not be considered a "great book," but it's damned important to a lot of people. |
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Thanks for all the great ideas. If these suggestions haven't been incorporated yet, I'll make it so.
For the non-fiction, to answer Green Bean's question, what we're trying to create here is a rotating collection of lending books that capture Americana. Warts-and-all stuff is fine, but the emphasis is on what it means to be, and the various faces of, American. Or "North American" or "from the U.S." or whatever phrase we're supposed to use now. |
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The Library of America has a great collection, very high quality bindings, books that'll last a long, long, time, and most of the best of American literature. I'm sure one of their Friendly Representatives would be happy to help you spend 30,000 on a well-rounded collection.
They are definitely the way I would go if I had this much money and that goal. In fact, I have been a subscriber of theirs for years and so already have several thousand dollars worth of books. |
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Just wanted to toss in Tom Wolfe (aka "not Thomas"), Jack Kerouac, Evan Hunter, and mystery writers Ed McBain (Hunter's alter ego) and Andrew Vachss.
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I'm afraid my suggestions will be more 'good books to read' rather than 'important books to read.' Each book on my list is one I come back to time and again to reread. This isn't to say that they don't have their import, but I wouldn't include Emerson or Thoreau, because while they're important books, I haven't reread either, and feel no need to do so. I'm also tempted to include a few of my favorite Canadian authors. For all that Canada and the US are two seperate cultures and countries, I think that Canada has as much in common with the US as it does witht the UK. Final note, my list is a series of supplements to those suggestions already listed, not a bunch of replacements. Non-Fiction - Norman Maclean's Young Men and Fire. Walter Lord's A Night to Remember, and Day of Infamy Edward L. Beach's Around the World Submerged (Capt's Beach's fiction is also worth a look, especially Run Silent, Run Deep.) Rachel Carson's Silent Spring (an exception about rereading, but should be on the list, I think.) Somewhere in the Middle (and Canadian to boot) - Farley Mowat's Never Cry Wolf, as well as his autobiographical works - A Whale for the Killing, The Dog Who Wouldn't Be, and The Boat Who Wouldn't Float Fiction - Michael Shaara's The Killer Angels John Crowley's Little, Big Tim Powers' Last Call Madeleine L'engle's Wrinkle in Time (The latter books as well, though not as good) S.E. Hinton's The Outsiders Daniel V. Gallery's Now, Hear This (His non-fiction is also worth considering.) Harry Turtledove's The Guns of the South Robert Heinlein's Have Spacesuit, Will Travel; Double Star; and Starship Troopers. H.P. Lovecraft's short stories. I'm more partial to his shorter works like "Pickman's Model" than "Call of Cthulhu". Lois McMaster Bujold's Cordelia's Honor L.M. Montgomery's Anne of Green Gables (another canuck on the list, I know.) Graphic Novels - Frank Miller's Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, and Batman: The Killing Joke |
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Mark Twain:
Both H.P. Lovecraft and Poe should be represented. Take Back Your Government byr Robert A. Heinlein is non-fiction; a do-it-yourself manual for getting involved in politics & political reform. The Life of Johnny Reb: The Common Soldier of the Confederacy and Life of Billy Yank: The Common Soldier of the Union by Bell Irvin Wiley Non-fiction. A very important pair of books on US history from the ground up.
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By the way, where are you? What/whom are you buying this for? |
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Anthology sets and the Library of America are both great ideas, as are all the individual suggestions, some of which I never would have thought of. Thanks again, folks and keep 'em coming.
drhess I'm in Sri Lanka, and we're buying this to serve as a rotating/floating lending library to educate people about Americana. Your tax dollars at work, in what I feel is a worthy way. |
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Authors that haven't been mentioned to add (mostly 20th century poetry)
William Carlos Williams Charles Bukowski (personally, I'm not a huge fan of his, though I do like him, but I've a feeling his literature will stand the test of time. Moreso than Kerouac.) Adrienne Rich Charles Simic Langston Hughes Gwendolyn Brooks |
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some more...
Winesburg, Ohio - Sherwood Anderson
The Complete Stories - Flannery O'Connor Generation X - Douglas Coupland (Canadian author, but set in the US) Cold Mountain - Charles Frazier Tom Watson: Agrarian Rebel - C. Vann Woodward (acknowledged by many historians as the finest biography around) The Autobiography of Malcolm X - Alex Haley Company Aytch - Sam Watkins (memoirs of a Confederate foot soldier) Personal Memoirs - Ulysses S. Grant Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? - Phillip K. Dick Earth Abides - George Stewart A Narrative of the Life of David Crockett of the State of Tennessee - David Crockett (Davy Crockett) Run with the Horsemen - Ferrol Sams Civil War, Vol. I-III - Shelby Foote Sketch Book - Washington Irving (includes Rip van Winkle and The Legend of Sleepy Hollow) On the Road - Jack Kerouac Last of the Mohicans - James Fenimore Cooper USA - John dos Passos E E Cummings: Complete Poems 1904-1962 e e cummings The Poetry of Robert Frost: The Collected Poems - Robert Frost Undaunted Courage - Stephen E. Ambrose (history of Lewis and Clark expedition) To Purge This Land With Blood: A Biography of John Brown - Stephen B. Oates Farenheit 451 - Ray Bradbury |
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still more...
Roll Jordan Roll: The World the Slaves Made - Eugene Genovese
Of Mice and Men - John Steinbeck Travels with Charley: In Search of America - John Steinbeck East of Eden - John Steinbeck Little House on the Prairie - Laura Ingalls Wilder A Confederacy of Dunces - John Kennedy Toole Andrew Jackson: The Course of American Freedom, 1822-1832 (Andrew Jackson) - Robert V. Remini Son of the Morning Star - Evan S. Connell Red Badge of Courage - Stephen Crane Words that Changed America - Alex Barnett (collected American speeches) The Federalist Papers Words That Make America Great - Jerome Agel (collects the great documents of American history) American Sphinx: The Character of Thomas Jefferson - Joseph J. Ellis Profiles in Courage - John F. Kennedy |
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How about some juvenile lit...
Superman, the Complete History: The Life and Times of the Man of Steel - Les Daniels (Why not? Superman is one of the icons of American literature, no?)
Batman: The Complete History - Les Daniels (ditto Batman) The Amazing Spider-Man Masterworks (Amazing Spider-Man, No. 1-5) - Stan Lee and Steve Ditko (also the three following volumes) (Collects the early Spider-Man stories.) The Wizard of Oz - L. Frank Baum Dr. Seuss - all his books, naturally |
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Not too much humor listed so far . . . Anita Loos' Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, Patrick Dennis' Little Me, J.P. McEvoy's Hollywood Girl and/or Show Girl, almost anything by Milt Gross.
Also, don't forget the forgotten! Terrific, once-popular writers who have fallen off the charts: Tiffany Thayer, Olive Higgins Prouty, Booth Tarkington, Christopher Morley . . . |
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I would also sugest, Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank. Many American students read this work during the cold war. Also, A Seperate Peace, by John Knowles.
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I just realized, no one's mentioned Moby Dick! I can't say I reread it regularly, but it is a great work of American literature.
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I will add the poet Robinson Jeffers, who wrote beautiful and profound poetry using the imagery around Monterey California. Really, folks, pick him up and read him.
Also, the stories of James Thurber, Dorothy Parker, and the essays of E. B. White and Amy Vowel. All four are very good reflections of some of the faces of America (or should i say the U.S.?), White and Vowel especially, both are keen observers of their age, both the big picture and small details. |
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Paper books or ebooks? If ebooks are Ok there are CDs with hundreds of seminal older American authors that are not that expensive. The Gutenberg Project also has thousands of free books.
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False God, for your purposes I would include: Black Elk Speaks Blue Highways by William Leastheat Moon The plays of Thornton Wilder The poems of Carl Sandburg Spoon River Anthology by Edgar Lee Masters The Deerslayer by James Fenimore Cooper Cold Sassy Tree by Olive Burns (These are in addition to the excellent lists already provided.) |
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Also, I'd like to second the recommendation for ebooks, if you're allowed to use them. Only one publisher of works currently under copyright has a reasonable ebook policy, but for things like The Federalist Papers, and other vital texts in the public domain, you would be able to loan those out in multiple copies for a single investment. |
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Some dopers have already suggested comics titles- I have a few picks that go beyond the superheroes:
Love and Rockets by Jaime and Gilbert (and Mario) Hernandez- there are a bunch of collections out anything by Dan Clowes, especially Ghost World and Caricature Jimmy Corrigan by Chris Ware One of Lynda Barry's collections- all about growing up in the modern USA Check out www.fantagraphics.com for sources and more titles |
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The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. Brings the immigrant experience to life and shows the situations that underlie many of our laws, especially labor laws, today. I think this book would fit very well with your purpose.
For nonfiction, I'd recommend some Studs Terkel, probably "Working" or "Coming of Age." |
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Johnny Got His Gun, by Dalton Trumbo.
I'm not sure how it ranks on the "Greatest Literature of all Time" list, but it's a powerful read with some importance in American history. And if you buy it, you're gauranteed to make a hippy smile somewhere.
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As you're outfitting a collection, I wonder if it's worth having the books custom-bound so they've all got uniform hardback covers with the title of the book and the name of the collection on it? Makes the books less stealable too.
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Can you do that with paperbacks? Does it make financial sense? |
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Do you know of any library that does such a thing? I don't. Do you know how much it costs to have a book rebound?
Stamping the library's name on one of the page ends of the book, and inside the covers, and putting magnetic tattler tags inside the spine is how you make a book less stealable. |
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I don't know about making the books all uniform size, but I do know that binding paper backs into hardcovers happens fairly regularly on the college level. OTOH I'd imagine the cost is about 3/4 the cost of purchasing another copy of the book. So barely economical for a paperback book that is seeing a lot of use, but not for others. |
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Gentlemans Agreement by Laura Z. Hobson
Something by Zane Gray Something by Howard Zinn (A People's History of the United States, maybe) |
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For a more pastural setting and a slice of Americana:
Lemon Jelly Cake Madeline Babcock Smith Never miss a sunset Jeanette Gilge ( for ages 10 and up.) (It is one of a series.I haven't read the rest, but I adored this book as a kid.) Little House On the Praire Series Laura Ingalls Wilder. (ages 9 and up) Anything by Dave Barry for some funny, lighter side reading. And we would be remiss to exclude the Master: Cecil Adams The Straight Dope, The Return of the Straight Dope and The Straight Dope Tells All. A must for all discriminating libraries. I never realized until this thread and checked my personal stash of books that most of my fiction and non-fiction books are set in the UK. Interesting. |
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If this has been mentioned, forgive me.
Catch 22 Sunshine Soldiers by Peter Tauber. recently back in print. I remember it as hysterically funny when I read this story about a reservists account of boot camp during the Vietnam war. I was 14 and a girl (still am), but it was a scream to me then and I lost my copy that I (cough)stole (cough) from my school's library. Karmic payback, to be sure. What about spy, mystery or war novels? It certainly is not my genre, but I am sure other dopers can recommend a few good page turners. For a much lighter side of mystery:Janet Evanovich's Stephanie Plum Novels are a stitch. they are also like crack on a pringle. Can't have just one. If you need recommendations for cheesy romance stories, or even better than average romances, I'm your gal.
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Random recommendations that haven't been mentioned AFAIK:
Sophie's Choice - William Styron Long Day's Journey into Night - Eugene O'Neill Cat on a Hot Tin Roof - Tennessee Williams (I'm assuming plays are o.k.) Bastard Out of Carolina - Dorothy Allison then, Me Talk Pretty One Day - David Sedaris, to lighten things up Come To Me - Amy Bloom (very beautiful short stories) Look Homeward Angel - Thomas Wolfe Tender is the Night - Fitzgerald A Prayer for Owen Meany - John Irving for kiddies: Where the Wild Things Are - Maurice Sendak |
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Yes, all the Straight Dope books need to be included.
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I'd suggest Thomas Paine's Common Sense and The Rights of Man. The former is more focused on the gripes of the colonies, but the latter is broader and had a great deal of influence on world events.
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More...
One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest - Ken Kesey
Guns, Germs and Steel - Jared Diamond Deliverance - James Dickey Last Picture Show - Larry McMurtry Breakfast of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut (I would include a number of books by Vonnegut, but at least this one and Slaughterhouse 5, already mentioned) The Maltese Falcon - Dashiell Hammett The Caine Mutiny - Herman Wouk The Demon-Haunted World - Carl Sagan Call of the Wild -Jack London Ballad of the Bones - Byron Herbert Reece The Season of the Flesh - " " Bow Down in Jericho - " " The Complete Short Stories of Ernest Hemingway D-Day - Stephen Ambrose Any good collection of the stories of H.P. Lovecraft You probably need several good comprehensive collections of science fiction short stories. Also, given the purpose of the collection (to familiarize Sri Lankans with American culture), I would suggest that you need not just the high-brow, capital L "Literature," but also some best-sellers from the past few decades. Just a thought. Also, given that purpose, maybe some photography collections, and some histories of popular music, art and cinema in the US. Maybe a history of the automotive industry. |
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Early settlement/colonial stuff:
The History of Plymouth Plantation, William Bradford The Tenth Muse Lately Sprung Up in America, poetry by Anne Bradstreet Governor John Winthrop's Journal Letters from an American Farmer, Hector St. John de Crèvecoeur Sketch Book, Washington Irving Poetry of Phillis Wheatley The letters of Abigail Adams to her husband Most of these can be found in anthologies of early American writers, like: Early American Writing, Giles Gunn - Editor 672 pages | ISBN 0140390871 | Feb 1994 | Penguin Classic Later stuff: Narrative Of The Life Of An American Slave, Frederick Douglass The Narrative of Sojourner Truth: A Northern Slave Declaration of Sentiments from the Seneca Falls Conference, Elizabeth Cady Stanton Diaries of Mary Chesnut Poetry of Langston Hughes To follow up on spoke-'s suggestion about photography, how about books with the photographs of Ansel Adams, or the WPA photographers like Dorothea Lange. Books on art from the Ashcan or Hudson River School artists. |
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I second A People's History of the United States
Perhaps the best single book to balance Hollywood's picture of the U.S. that people there are certainly getting. also The Autobiography of Malcom X important historically, and as a rounded view of the U.S. Little Big Man and Catch 22 also come to mind, but neither are as important. |
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Not everyone will agree with these i'm sure (trying not to repeat what others have offered already):
Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand The Shining - Stephen King The World According to Garp - John Irving A Fool's Progress - Edward Abbey For Whom the Bell Tolls - Hemmingway Watch For Me On The Mountain - I forget the author, but this is the story of Geronimo Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee - Again I forget the author |
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