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Old 09-14-2004, 10:30 PM
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Origin of Yol Bolsun:

What is the origin and background of the phrase Yol Bolsun(sp). I knew of a website that explained that it came form the Turkish area (the Russian steppes?), from an ancient(?) dialect known as qip... something or other.

It seems that the thread on the message board that I had originally seen this on has been deleted and I would like this information for a toast that I am to give in three days

I can't find anything to corroborate what I previously read so that is why I have turned to the Dope.


Any help is appreciated.
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Old 09-15-2004, 06:00 AM
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A number of web sites claim that it means "May there be (another) road" in some (non-specific) Turkic dialect. Purportedly, it is a greeting among a group of messengers that means "May you not be forced to quit your journeying."

However, all the sources in the first three pages of a Google™ search are from motivational speakers who are obviously passing around the same story with no actual source supplied. (They may have borrowed it from the Louis L'Amour novel, The Walking Drum.)
There is also a musical group playing tunes from that region named Yol Bolsin that might provide some more information, but the first few pages on that search turned up nothing but reviews or play dates of the band.

With a bit more committed searching, Google™ might bring up the true answer.
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Old 09-15-2004, 04:19 PM
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That's what I got from googling as well tomndebb.

I was hoping for a liittle more detail so anything you or anyone can add would be appreciated.
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Old 09-15-2004, 06:45 PM
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The way you have it written it looks like literally "you are wide the road" (yol means '(the) road', bol means 'wide' and the suffix -sun means "you are") in modern Turkish, but I'll take a guess that it's original literal meaning as "May you divide the road" (Yol bölesin, in modern Turkish I think) as bölmek means 'to divide' in modern Turkish.
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Old 09-15-2004, 06:56 PM
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Scrap that last bit : 'Yol bölsün' in modern day Turkish would mean "May the road divide".
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Old 09-21-2004, 05:01 PM
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In the interest of eliminating all ignorance, I am back with a little more information.


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That phrase has interesting history.
Much simplified: Originally Tibetan it was used by the Huns at the time they moved to Iran/ Turkey where it became part of the local language. The language of the Turks (Cuman at the time but it is now just a regional dialect called Qipcaq named after what the Mongol/Turkish peoples called themselves) eventually became the common trading language of the Mongols and used throughout central Europe, the middle east and central Asia .
The Turkic peoples who were fleeing from the Mongols took it to Hungary/ Bulgaria in the 13th century where the phrase is still sometimes used and it can be found in Iran today as well.
here

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Hmmmm no internet source I'm afraid as I'm relying on bits and pieces I've picked up here and there.
This essay about the Codex Cumanicus may be of interest if you like history as it gives a history of the Cuman-Qipcaq language which was the vehicle for spreading the saying making it traceable. .
here

An article called Codex Cumanicus provides more information regarding the migration of the phrase.

Thanks again for the replies.
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