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11-24-2004, 07:38 PM
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Marvel's Secondary Mutations
In the Showdown! thread, someone mentioned Emma Frost's secondary diamond skin mutation and how it did not make any sense to him (or to me) and while reading that, I realized I don't know anything at all about the secondary mutations other knowing that the White Queen (she is still called that, right?) and Angel have them so I thought I'd start this thread and hope someone more knowledgeable might be able to give me the down-low.
Why are these secondary mutations appearing? When did they first start cropping up? Which characters have them? What are they? Are the mutants gaining extra abilities looked at oddly or still accepted as they were? And are all the new powers as odd as the ones Frost and Warrington have developed? They're a bit odd considering their primary powers. I mean, really.. diamond skin for a telepath? What the hell? 
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#2
11-24-2004, 08:28 PM
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The only one that I am really iron clad sure on is Iceman gaining an ice body. No more flesh for him. In a recent issue, he was knocked into a lake and used the water to enlarge his ice body allowing him to whup much ass.
An earlier issue (the end of the recent Magneto arc) featured Emma having diamond skin. Her psi powers may have been functional. Seems to me she detected Phoenix coming with her psi powers. As for Angel, no idea where that came from. Did he gain healing powers? If so I may have an idea where it came from. If not, I'll make something up. 
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11-24-2004, 09:37 PM
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Well, I did a bit of googling, and Ranchoth is right. It started with the Morrison run. He decided he was going to boost the powers of the X-men with the exceptions of Xavier and Cyclops. Jean Grey got the phoenix back fer about five seconds before magneto killed her. Wolverines healing power got boosted. Emma got diamond skin. Angel got some sort of blood based healing power. (
 ) Beast became more beast like. Polaris got some sort of dark powers dating back to the issue with Zaladane and the Savage Land.That's all the detail I could find, culled mainly from message board posts on other forums. If anyone else has any better data, I'd be appreciative.
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11-24-2004, 10:35 PM
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11-25-2004, 04:14 AM
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Wasn't Angel getting turned into Arcangel by Apocalypse a secondary mutation? Or does that not count?
And the Iceman being made out of ice goes back to Earth X doesn't it, but I realise that wasn't canon.
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11-25-2004, 06:58 AM
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Apocalypses transformation of Angel in the bluer, more bad ass archangel doesn't count since it was an external modification, like Wolverines claws. Though now that I think about it, Beast more leonine appearance stems from his blue fur which was the result of a chemical experiment gone wrong....meh, whatever.
As for Icemans ice body, before he may have been able to turn into solid ice. Now he is stuck there. This happened shortly after Havok and Polaris had their lil wedding spat and Juggernaut joined the team.
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#9
11-25-2004, 08:51 AM
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I could be wrong about this... but back in the eighties, one of Marvel's black-and-white magazines did an issue featuring three solo stories about X-Men -- a pretty good Jean Grey story, a forgettable Iceman story, and a ludicrous Nightcrawler story.
The cover featured all three X-Men in costume, a really nice painting. In it, Iceman's leg is translucent; you can see through it. From what I remember, this set off a firestorm of debate among the fanboys. How could we be seeing through Iceman's leg? Isn't he just a guy covered with ice? Hey, shouldn't we be able to see 'is weiner in there or something? It was around this time, IIRC, that someone brought up the idea that he not only can create ice from moisture in the air... but he can BECOME ice. Precisely how he does this is unclear. I'm sure someone will come along and correct me any minute now...
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11-25-2004, 05:39 PM
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11-25-2004, 05:59 PM
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11-25-2004, 07:25 PM
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You're sort of right. Beast gained the blue fur and trendy wolverine-like hair cut due to an experiment he performed on himself. Now he's undergone a further mutation becoming more catlike.
I've found a good site for all things X-Men. There are detailed power lists, etc. For starters, most of the new mutations seem to be a result of Sage who seems to have the ability to activate latent abilities. Angel now can heal people using his blood. They also have to have a compatible blood type. It says he has a mystical sword (?). Oh well, whatever. Beast now has enhanced healing, pheremones (??), claws, night vision, other enhanced senses in addition to the bouncing beast bit he had before. Iceman now has the ice body permanently (which means until a new writer comes along). He can also survive as water or water vapor. Rogue was able to recall any of the powers she had absorbed in the past, but lost the powers as well as her originals in a battle with Vargas. They may have come back though. I'm not sure. I've seen her back with the X-Men recently, so I'd assume the powers have returned.Emma Frost can turn her body into diamond, but cannot access her telepathic abilities in this form. Those are all the ones I could find on the site. I hope that's it.
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11-26-2004, 03:23 AM
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As I understand Iceman's power, the ice/water/vapor isn't really a part of him. Like most other energy-based characters (Johnny Storm, Photon, Wonder Man, Graviton, etc.), he has two bodies: a flesh-and-blood one and a plasma energy form. His energy form generates a field of extreme cold and this most conveniently is used on ambient water.
Magneto should have two forms as well, but he doesn't. I think it will eventually be revealed that he can't generate magnetic energy, just manipulate what's handy (i.e. Earth's magnetic field). When he's in space, he probably has very little power; it should be revealed that Asteroid M has a nuclear reactor on board and it powers Magneto, not the other way around. As for Hank McCoy, I suspect within a year or two he'll gain the ability to mutate into any mammalian form, but slowly. He'll be a slow-motion Gar Logan. He will drink that mutant cure, like he did back in Amazing Adventures in the 70s, and it will trigger further mutations instead of curing them.
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#17
11-26-2004, 06:07 AM
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Like I said Krocodil, Iceman is flesh no more due to a secondary mutation. His only form is the ice/water/vapor body. Whether this change is permanent or not depends on the writers, but for now he really is an Ice man.
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11-26-2004, 07:52 AM
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11-26-2004, 09:05 AM
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 I meant the adamantium was the external modification. You're right about the claws. He's always had them. The unbreakable bones and ginsu claws are the add ons.
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11-26-2004, 09:15 AM
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'Ginsu Claws'? Are they different from his usual ones?
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11-26-2004, 10:00 AM
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Well, Wolverine has had two sets of claws. Adamantium for the majority of his time and bone claws for a short time.
As mentioned by Sean, Wolverine had to go without adamantium because Magneto had a snit and ripped it out of him. This is when Wolverine discovered that the claws were a natural mutation and not simply the blades of metal that he thought they were. "Ginsu claws" refers to the adamantium ones since they slice and dice nearly every thing.
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#22
11-26-2004, 10:08 AM
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Gotcha. Did he ever get his admantium back? Last I read, Genesis (I think, the guy who was Cables son and mates with Apocalypse) was trying to give it back to him and brainwash him, but he rejected it. Explosively.
///Snikt!
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#23
11-26-2004, 10:25 AM
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He does have it back. I'm not sure when though. I'm guessing Apocalypse put it back in him when he made Wolverine one of his Horsemen (Death not surprisingly). I'm kind of pulling that out of my ass though. The UXN site doesn't have an in-depth profile of Wolverine.
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11-29-2004, 12:52 PM
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AFAIK, Emma Frost just showed up in an early issue of Morrison's New X-Men having turned herself into diamond. The X-Men were confused and then someone did some hand-waving about secondary mutations. There was no explanation or any suggestion that something triggered these, just that whatever mutates people can activate again in later life. The Beast appeared a few issues later in his more leonine form. I think that's about it that we saw in Morrison's run. I think he probably just got a great idea that depended on Emma being able to turn into diamond and figured out a way to allow for it. --Cliffy
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11-29-2004, 01:19 PM
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11-29-2004, 01:25 PM
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Colossus had a brother?(This is what I get for quitting my comic collecting in the late 1980s...)
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11-29-2004, 03:12 PM
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I have no idea about Beast, but he does start out the Morrison run feline form intact. They make a brief mention of the fact that he's changed (Jean Grey says he looks more distinguished or something), but that's all I remember. I think I read that he's supposed to be stronger in that form, but I'm not sure where. Did they ever do anything with the fact that he told Trish Tilby (IIRC) that he was gay? Angel has, imo, by far the stupidest secondary mutation. Of course, I think he's been lame ever since they got rid of his metal wings. Does the fact that Gambit is apperantly blind (I just read a random issue of X-Men the other day) have anything to do with this secondary mutation stuff?
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11-29-2004, 06:08 PM
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Secondary mutation is something the Morison pulled out his ass early on in his run. Basically it boils down to this primary mutations usually occur when a person hit puberty there are exceptions (If anyone remember early X-factor Cable when in danger would form a force bubble around himself and he was like 18 month tops). There is a possibility the mutant can develop a secondary mutation usually sometime in their 20's which is usually triggered by a traumatic/stressful event. Emma Frost in developed her secondary mutation when Genosha was attached by ubber Sentinel: the genocide machine. Beast was originally just a very well round physically gifted mutant but had a latent potential to "evolve" further. This potential was trigged when he drank that stuff which turned him blue the first time. Early in X-trem X-men Beast fought a guy named Vargas. Who mortally wounded Beast and in order save him Sage activated the rest of his potential. Later we see Storm ship Hank back off to Xavier's to heal up. Next we see of him is in New X-men 114 (Morison's first issue) and he comments on how he has recently changed. (Sorry that was a lot longer than it should have been) Iceman his secondary mutation accrued some where in an Austen Uncanny issue (don't have the bbr at the moment so can't say which). He got in a fight and was bleeding badly and iced over the wounds to keep from dieing. It turns out the ice functioned just like the tissue he lost and he can't revert the ice back to flesh. Some where in the much HATED Drago arch (by Chuck Austen) Bobby get hurt badly and looses all his fleshy parts and is left a walking talking ice cube. He is now able to form ice body parts from any available water this makes him damn near unkillable Angel got jumped by some werewolves (Chuck Austen again) him and Husk were mortal wounded. He noticed he was healing quickly and thought if he shared his blood with Husk she would heal and she did. Angel now has a Wolverine speed healing factor but unlike Logan's Warren can share his blood with anyone and receive the benefits of the healing factor. While it's not as cool as having razor sharp wings that shoot knives he dose now have a useful power. Rouge's secondary mutation makes her just wrong. Rouge now has the ability to use ANY power she absorbed in the past. Once again Rouge has access to ALL of the powers she has absorbed in the past. Most notably she has her own set of bone claws. Her imprinting power was also strengthened to certain extent because she now takes on elements of the physical appearance of whoever’s memories/personality she taps into when she becomes really unstable As I said gambit recently had a card blow up in his face blinding him. In the last issue he took is blindfold off and looked in a charged card and saw the new "Brotherhood of mutants" in the card. They will most likely be explaining this in a couple of issues down the road. So it is possible that Gambit has developed some kind future seeing power that involves card, I'll call it "tarot sense" and once again this comes from the mind Chuck Austin.
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11-29-2004, 06:25 PM
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11-29-2004, 06:47 PM
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Or, better yet, an X-sexual.
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11-29-2004, 07:45 PM
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First, you need the super skrulls used during the last Apocalypse run. It was the series where Apocalypse gathered "The Twelve," a group of omega class mutants, in order to use them to channel near unlimited power into himself. After that ended, Xavier flew off with the mutant skrulls to watch over them. A little while later the rest of the galaxy decided that Earth would make a good prison planet. Turns out they were a bit jealous of all the supers and wanted to put the hurt on the planet. Xavier sends one of the super skrulls to warn the X-Men. Said skrull touches rogue and due to a combination of her absorbtion power and the skrulls mental powers, Rogue gets an infusion of mutant skrull DNA. That's what allows her to reuse the powers of those she's touched before. She's like a hot southern super skrull. Course, she recently lost those powers in battle with Vargas. For a while her and Gambit actually had no powers. They left the X-Men for a while but returned when their powers did. I haven't been able to get any recent issues lately, so I don't know if the skrull powers stuck. Angel got bitten by a werewolf??? That's kinda sorta really friggin lame.
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11-29-2004, 08:56 PM
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Sage jumpstarted Gambit's powers back up in the last issue of X-trem and while it hasn't been planed how Rouge got hers back, i can only asume it was Sage did the same for Rouge's lost powers. In the last issue Rouge got in tussel with Black (the ubber tree) Tom and busted out her bone claws so i think she still has access to all of her powers
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11-29-2004, 09:50 PM
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God, I am such a geek.
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11-29-2004, 09:52 PM
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The U comes AFTER the G. That's why it is pronounced "ROgue." "Rouge" is pronounced "ROOJ," and means "red" in French or is a type of cosmetic (blush, usually, although you can old-fashionedly refer to a lipstick as lip rouge) in English.
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11-30-2004, 06:45 AM
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11-30-2004, 07:27 AM
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"There must have been some magic in that old silk hat they found... for when they placed it on his head, he began to dance around."
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11-30-2004, 09:00 AM
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--Cliffy
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11-30-2004, 06:02 PM
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According to the UXN cite I linked to, Iceman is now an omega class mutant, capable of surviving as ice, water, or water vapor. For all intents and purposes, he's invincible.
Angel is wielding Ilyana Rasputin's sword? Supposedly it's only usable by the "Darkchilde." Last I heard that meant the sword was as unsharable as Thor's hammer. As far as Rogue being the toughest, if she gets a grip on all of the powers, you betcha. She's demonstrated the use of the powers of Cyclops, Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, and Wolverine. I know she's tried to drain Magneto and has hit a couple of the Avengers as well.  Now that I think about it, she may have even touched Thor.I'm reaching way back on that. In the X-Mens first run with Genosha, she had her powers stolen and all of the people in her brain tried to have a scrum. There were quite a few there and I think Thor was one of them. That would be some freaky shizzle.
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11-30-2004, 07:10 PM
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Not so. He suffered a blow to the head as a child, which damaged the part of his brain that controls his powers. Look to the X-men/Alpha Flight Giant Size 2 parter, when he's 'healed' along with Wolverine and Rogue, who gain control of their respective powers.
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11-30-2004, 07:27 PM
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However Rogue can, because she doesn't have the brain injury that prevents Cyke from controlling his power.
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11-30-2004, 07:35 PM
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Human Torch was going through a similar phase during this period. In one issue of Strange Tales from about the same time period, somebody shot at him while he was flying but the bullets went through his body of flame (this was quickly ignored...and it may have been an FF issue instead...but I think it was Strange Tales) and I think in an early FF Annual, a "How Do Their Powers Work" feature point-blank said that Torch's body becomes flame (which was how he flies) Finally, IMO, the "secondary mutations" concept that Morrison came up with was (IIRC) designed in large part to explain how the Toad went from the Peter Lorrie-esque character he was to the movie-version look-alike and he codified a bunch of other changes under that banner as well. As good a retcon as any, I suppose!  )
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#49
11-30-2004, 07:42 PM
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I'm not saying the ice body is the change, just the fact that he can't go back to human form. That's the secondary mutation. No more human form, ever. The only way he regains his human form is essentially a writer switch.
To make this clear, Iceman used to change from ice to human, but no more. That's the secondary mutation. Iceman is all ice, all the time.
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11-30-2004, 11:04 PM
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