Should we tip servers in fancy restaurants more than servers in cheaper ones?

I’ve always kind of wondered why it is that we tip servers an amount based on our check amount. A waiter or waitress at Denny’s does just as much physical work as a server in an expensive steak house. Actually, it seems the person in the “lower class” place does more, because there are usually more children at those places and people seem more prone to dropping their food or making a mess. The few times I’ve been in a really nice restaurant, all the people seemed well-behaved, yet “family” restaurants are a riot. But if you give a server twenty percent of the bill, the server at the steak house might get a ten dollar tip, while the Denny’s waiter only gets three dollars–for what is essentially the same amount of work!

And (this is the GD part of the question) should we do this? I tend to give base amounts depending on how much food I order (quantity, not price), the time of day (more at night), and whether or not I ask for any special treatment such as extra cups of sauce or deleted ingredients. There are some times when I’ve tipped Denny’s waitresses five bucks on a twenty dollar bill. I tend to undertip (i.e. around 10% or less) at nice restaurants, though, because I don’t feel those waiters do anything special that should make me tip them more than the Denny’s waitress. They might dress a little nicer, but it’s still the same basic job.

The way I see it is that the Denny’s server shouldn’t be “punished” because she works in a place that serves cheap food. I also don’t think the fancy-restaurant waiter should be "rewarded’ because he works in a high class place. Is this the wrong line of thinking? I hate tip systems anyway, I wish they’d just give servers minimum wage or higher and take the tip element out of it, but my way of tipping seems more fair than giving a percentage of the bill.

What is the justification for the percentage way of tipping? Do you feel this is the right way to tip?

The waiter at a nice place knows the menu. Granted, the Denny’s waiter knows the menu too, but knowing the menu at the nice place is considerably more complex an undertaking. They also either know the wine list or have a sommelier that the waiters tip out.

The waiters at Denny’s are arguably working as hard, physically, but do not perform as intellectually demanding a task.

I think tipping 10% is disgracefully cheap.

At lower end restaurants where an entree is in the six to eight dollar range I always tip fifty perrcent unless I get flat-out bad service. My reasoning is that I don’t have anything better to spend the money on, and I know from experience that getting an above-expected tip will make their day. I never go to expensive restaurants except when someone else is paying, so for me that question is moot. I agree that the tip system is archaic and needs to be abolished, since it makes no logical sense. In reality, the low wages of all restaurant workers, including hoss/hostesses, cooks, and dishwashers as well as waiters/waitresses disproves the idea that earnings are somehow tied to the amount of work that gets done. Everyone in a restaurant works damn hard.

I think tipping is disgraceful generally. If restaurants paid a decent wage, and passed the costs along to the consumers, and just fired waitpersons who didn’t do a good job, we’d all be better off–diners, waiters, and restaurant-owners all (and I’ve been all three).

I generally tip between 15 and 20% for good service. For decent service, I tip less, and for great service, I might tip more. I also tip based on the menu prices - if our bill comes to $20 or so, I’m more likely to tip a higher percentage for the same quality of service than I am if our total bill is $50. The tip for the same quality of service on a $50 bill would generally be more than that on a $20 bill, but usually a slightly lower percentage.

To expand on Bricker’s point, the fancy place may also have a bartender and an assigned Maitre D’, who get tipped out from the waiter’s tips as well. A complex operation will have specially assigned “food runners” who do nothing but get food from kitchen to table. They get a chunk of the waiter’s tips too.

Actually, the wildest operation I ever saw was when we took my sister to the Ritz-Carlton hotel dining room in Boston for her high school graduation.

They had a bread steward, a butter steward, a water steward, and if my memory doesn’t fail me 23 years later… an ice steward, each responsible for making sure you were never without the commodity in their trust.

Generally speaking, better servers get the better jobs in better restaurants. Also most nice restaurants have less tables per server, so the service is better.

If you tip 10% for good service in nice restaurants maybe you should just stick to Denny’s.

You also have to remember that table turnover in a “cheap” restaurant is generally faster. So in the same time period, the Denny’s server will have had more people to serve than the server in the"high-end" restaurant.

Having worked in both kinds of establishments, I’d say on average you’re dealing with a better-trained server in a higher-end restaurant - and it’s more likely too that liquor plays a part in your bill there. The Denny’s server pulls sodas, while the high-class restaurant server goes back and forth to the bar.

This is like arguing that it’s not fair that kindergarten teachers make way less than college professors.

Well, no it’s not. A person is fairly likely to be able to get a first job as a waitron at a place like Denny’s. With some experience, moving into a wait position at a much classier place should be possible.

How about the cooks? I’ll bet they get paid less at Denny’s too.

(Tipping should be phased out anyway.)

[anecdotal] I worked in a greasy spoon and then in a much nicer place. In the greasy spoon I had to bus the tables, but I got to keep every penny anybody tipped me. In the much nicer place all my tips & everybody else’s went into a pool, and at the end of the shift were parceled out equally among with wait staff, with cuts for the bussers & bartenders & host/hostess, and it was still a lot more than I made at the greasy spoon.

A related question: Wage and hour laws mandate a lower wage for “tipped employees.” When the people at Starbucks, etc., put out their little tip cup, does that mean they are tipped employees? I always thought not, and pretty much ignored those cups. Am I wrong?

I don’t eat at ultra fancy restaurants all that often. When I do, I’ve noticed that the service is generally heads and shoulders above what I’d find at a Denny’s. There is usually a team of waitstaff who ensure that my water glass is always filled, the table remains cleaned at all times, and if I need anything I have but to make eye contact with a member of the waitstaff and I am immediately attended to.

Marc

Nice Guy Eddie: C’mon, throw in a buck!
Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don’t tip.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don’t tip?
Mr. Pink: I don’t believe in it.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don’t believe in tipping?
Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make shit.
Mr. Pink: Don’t give me that. She don’t make enough money, she can quit.
Nice Guy Eddie: I don’t even know a fucking Jew who’d have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you never ever tip, huh?
Mr. Pink: I don’t tip because society says I have to. Alright, I tip when somebody really deserves a tip. If they put forth an effort, I’ll give them something extra. But I mean, this tipping automatically, that’s for the birds. As far as I’m concerned they’re just doing their job.
Mr. Blue: Hey, this girl was nice.
Mr. Pink: She was okay. But she wasn’t anything special.
Mr. Blue: What special? Take you in the back and suck your dick?
Nice Guy Eddie: I’d go over twelve percent for that.

sorry, couldn’t resist

I believe that there is a fairly well-known study that showed the highest tip-rate going to the breakfast shift at the Denny’s-type establishment. The reason given had to do with the turnover rate and the fact that people are far more likely to increase the percentage on a $5.00 breakfast bill than on a $250.00 dinner bill.

That being said, I’d still prefer to wait hand and foot on four or five tables of rich-folk at a white tablecloth spot than slinging hash at the local greasy spoon.

No, it doesn’t. It means they’re trying to suplement their normal wages with a little extra something. Personally, I think it looks like panhandling.

As for the OP, the waiters at a nicer restaurant simply have a broader and more refined set of skills than at a cheaper place. It’s more than knowledge, it’s also the right attitude, the right way to walk and talk, the right way to present food and wine and liquor. The food might be better at a nice place, but the bulk of the improvement from the customer’s point of view is pretty squarely on the shoulders of the wait staff.

This argument is fairly pounded. But just to pile on, on top of everything already mentioned you are also paying for “atmosphere.”

For example compare Harvard to a big State university (I’ve had experiences at both types of schools, though not Harvard specifically, another Ivy.) For an undergraduate degree in a career field like economics, math, something like that the curriculum isn’t that different And even the teaching level isn’t that different, in fact some times you will find better teachers at the State school because more prestigious schools often hire people that are very accomplished writers or researchers but not people who necessarily are experts at conveying information to the uninformed.

So what all really breaks down to is unless you’re in a field that really requires expensive and specialized equipment (lab equipment and such for the natural sciences and et cetera) going to a more expensive or prestigious school doesn’t mean you get an inferior education. Most of the fundamentals of an undergraduate mathematics degree haven’t changed drastically in the last 30-40 years. Maybe certain classes have been rearranged but the information really isn’t something you can’t find at any school offering the degree.

What you’re paying for in these more prestigious places is a better environment, nicer school buildings, smarter students et cetera.

So you’re also paying for “nicer” waiters, in that they provide a more appealing atmosphere.

If you cheapen out or stiff a waitress at the high end restaurant, he/she generally must pay the asst. server, bartender a percentage of the total bill…the standard tip for good service in California is 20%, not 18 or 15 or 10%.

If the server is very good to excellent, 20% or higher is deemed acceptable.

I agree with the OP that in an IHOP where the service is very good and the total bill is far less than at a high end restaurant, give more than 20%. You’ll feel better because you know it is the right thing to do.

Aren’t waitstaff also taxed on what you SHOULD have paid? Which means, if you tip less at expensive places, you’re costing them money.

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I’ve never heard of that. (I was a waiter, bartender and a General Manager of some fairly high end restaurants years ago)

In my experience, the waiter had to “tip out” at the end of the night to the busboys, bartenders and wine captain. It was generally 10-20% of the total tips that they received that night.

So…If a table stiffed the wait, in essence everyone was stiffed. OTOH, if someone tipped 40% (it happens, and sometimes even more) than everyone shares in the windfall.

The server was only required to tip out based on their actual earnings. It was an honor system that worked extremely well. If a server tried to get slick, it was a matter of [short] time before the bartenders/busboys were aware that they weren’t being treated fairly and payback is a …a real hard thing…

My wife is a bartender at a fine dining establishment, and yes, it works like MadSam said. She gets a percentage of the entire bill.

I’ve worked in nice restaurants and in low-rent cafe-style places, in Canada, England, and Australia. The first observation i’d like to make is that, in terms of sheer physical effort expended, it’s generally much more taxing working in a low-end, high-turnover place than in a high-end, low-turnover place. If waiters in the high-end places get good tips, it’s generally not because they are running and sweating more than their low-end counterparts.

It’s certainly true what others have been saying about tipping out other members of staff, such as hosts, bartenders, busboys, etc., etc. In cafes, i generally got the table’s drinks myself, and often bussed my own tables. In good restaurants, there was a bartender to get the drinks, and a busboy to clear the table and do stuff like fill water glasses, leaving me free to give attentive service to the table.

In my experience, the staff who work in high-end places are not any more skilled at the mechanics of the job of waiting than the staff who work in low-end places. In fact, working in a low-end, high-turnover place often requires you to have an even better memory, and to be able to carry more dishes and clear larger tables at a single stroke. In my prime, i could comfortably clear the dishes for a table of eight in one go—main plates, side plates, and cutlery. Of course, you don’t clear tables like that in a nice restaurant, as it looks too low-rent.

In all the high-end places i worked, the main ingredient they looked for when hiring was not specifically your ability to carry plates or remember orders—anyone can be taught how to do that—but rather your ability to interact with the clientele in an appropriate manner. A certain level of deference was generally required, as well as something of an understated manner, and an ability to judge exactly how often you need to visit the table in order to be professional but not intrusive. Good grooming was, of course, mandatory. In one rather old-fashioned place, we also had to be able to do some table-side food preparation, such as carve a chateaubriand, fillet a Dover sole, and prepare Bananas Foster. I tell you, doing those things for the first time in front of a full restaurant can be rather nerve-wracking.

As others have said, the low turnover of good restaurants means that each server sees far fewer tables in a typical shift than someone working in a high-turnover restaurant. While this might mean that they don’t have to run as much in order to keep up, it also reduces their earning ability and, in my opinion, justifies tipping them well.

This does, of course, raise the general issue of turning tables over. If i go to a cheap cafe during a busy lunchtime, i expect to basically eat and leave, without hanging around at all. The place needs to make money, and taking up a table when others are waiting means that bith the establishment and the servers suffer from reduced income.

If, on the other hand, i go to a nice place, i’m paying a premium to the establishment and to the staff, and one of the things that i’m paying for is the ability to relax and enjoy my meal. Nothing pisses me off more than a high-priced establishment that treats its customers as if they were in a lunch-rush cafe. I don’t eat at expensive places very often, but when i do the staff better not be trying to push me out the door as soon as i’ve put my fork down.

Something for the OP to consider: when i was working in a high-turnover cafe, it was no big deal if one of two of my tables during a lunch shift stiffed me on the tip, as the tip from each table was never very high. It was a volume business, where no single table’s tip was especially important to the day’s outcome. But, when working in a good restaurant with few tables, getting stiffed by one or two groups can mean the difference between a good and a very bad night. Also, might i suggest that if you’re going to tip only 10% at good restaurants, you should not make a habit of going there more than once, because waiters have memories longer than elephants when it comes to good and bad tippers.

Havcing said all this, i should add my support to those who dislike the tipping system. I’ve lived on tips myself, and i always tip here in North America, because that’s how it’s done, but i don’t like the system.

Quick anecdote:

About 12 years ago, I was working in a nice country house hotel in the English Lakes District. The dining room was quite small, very elegant, and usually had a rather hushed atmosphere. One evening we had about 12 couples in there, and just about all of them were on their main course, so my main task was to float through the room occasionally making sure that wine glasses were topped up and that everything was OK. On one of these sweeps, i stopped right in the middle of the floor to survey the scene and assure myself that all was fine, when i let out what seemed to me to be an outrageously loud fart. It was completely involuntary, just snuck out without permission, and it was obvious that everyone in the room heard it. I was tempted for an instant to verbally excuse myself, but decided that feigning ignorance was preferable, and slowly turned and walked from the room. By the time i got to the kitchen, i was laughing so hard that i couldn’t go back out for quite some time.