Would it be piracy?

[klintypooh]

I have no intention of doing this, it just popped into my head. Say I buy a DVD for arguments sake we'll say Family guy.

Now I think as I own it legally I can download it for backup purposes right? Now what if my friend borrows my DVD but I don't give him a timeframe as when to give it back, am I doing anything wrong? He is borrowing mine and if I want I can view the backups....Whats the deal here?

And also what are the laws in regards to downloading 'unreleased' songs etc such as Eminems tape where he is being pretty racist so he obviously wouldn't release it formally.

[Ponder Stibbons]

IANAL, but I think you're wrong. The purpose of making a backup is to have an archive. Period. The only circumstance where actually watching that backup is OK is if the original is damaged in some way. Thus if your friend has the original and you're watching the "backup", it's not a backup anymore, is it? Now it's just a copy, and an illegal one at that. Calling it a "backup" doesn't change what you're doing with it.

[klintypooh]

Makes sense to me.

[Otto]

Originally Posted by klintypooh

Now I think as I own it legally I can download it for backup purposes right?

Am I understanding you to say that you think because you own DVD-A you are legally allowed to download the contents of DVD-B if A and B have the same contents? You're not, any more than buying one copy of a book allows you to walk out of a bookstore with another copy of it.

IANAL, etc.

[Otto]

Originally Posted by klintypooh

And also what are the laws in regards to downloading 'unreleased' songs etc such as Eminems tape where he is being pretty racist so he obviously wouldn't release it formally.

Oh, and as for part two, this is also a copyright violation. The creator of unreleased material still holds the copyright to it.

[klintypooh]

Originally Posted by Otto

Am I understanding you to say that you think because you own DVD-A you are legally allowed to download the contents of DVD-B if A and B have the same contents? You're not, any more than buying one copy of a book allows you to walk out of a bookstore with another copy of it.

IANAL, etc.

As does that.

And for the record I'm not going to do this mainly because I don't have money to buy DVDs, I might just borrow my friends.

[Ephemera]

I have a movie in my DVD Drive right now and have it paused on the FBI Warning that is listed at the beginning of every DVD and it states:

Federal Law provides severe civil and criminal penalties for the unauthorized reproduction, distribution, or exhibition of copyrighted motion pictures and video tapes (Title 17, United States Code, Sections 501 and 508).

The Federal Bureau of Investigation investigates allegations of criminal copyright infringement (Title 17, United States Code, Section 508).

So, yes. It would be piracy.

[Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor]

Arrrrrrr...rrrrr.

This thread, it be disappointing, it be, by Billy Bones.


Arrrrrrr.

[Otto]

Originally Posted by Aesiron

I have a movie in my DVD Drive right now and have it paused on the FBI Warning that is listed at the beginning of every DVD and it states:

Federal Law provides severe civil and criminal penalties for the unauthorized reproduction, distribution, or exhibition of copyrighted motion pictures and video tapes (Title 17, United States Code, Sections 501 and 508).

The Federal Bureau of Investigation investigates allegations of criminal copyright infringement (Title 17, United States Code, Section 508).

So, yes. It would be piracy.

And INTERPOL has expressed concern as well, and they expressed it all the way back in 1977.


god, why do I remember stuff like this?

[treis]

Becuase the bastards that make DVDs won't let you fast foward through it?

[Otto]

That doesn't mean I have to read it!

FYI, you may be able to cut it short by hitting STOP while it's on and then MENU or TOP MENU. Sometimes works for me, sometimes not.

[shijinn]

how about the stacks of music cds that i have? they are all on my pc now as mp3s. can i lend or give the cds to my friends indefinitely? is this similar to the OP?

[shijinn]

actually, i think i may have misplaced some of these CDs in the house. should i be unable to find them, are the mp3s that i have legal?


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[Excalibre]

Originally Posted by shijinn

how about the stacks of music cds that i have? they are all on my pc now as mp3s. can i lend or give the cds to my friends indefinitely? is this similar to the OP?

Of course not. How complicated is it? You can't copy intellectual property and give it to others. It cannot be listened to in more than one place at once. Otherwise, you're evil and your evil actions will result in Metallica having to give strangers blowjobs just to get bus fare.

[shijinn]

well, can i throw (and i've already misplaced some) the CDs away then? i have little use for them and there's strange stuff growing on them. would i then somehow have illegal copies of the songs, when i have bought the original and everything?

[Triskadecamus]

Scan a pdf copy of the receipt whenever you buy a CD. Keep it in a subdirectory of your music directory, and include the file number on the label of any copy you make for your own use. Changing the format of any copy of digital information you have paid for is fair use. Playing it for others in your home is fair use.

Making copies for others to use for any period is not fair use. Selling copies is not fair use. Using copies after you have sold or given away originals is not fair use.

Tris

[DocCathode]

Originally Posted by Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor

Arrrrrrr...rrrrr.

This thread, it be disappointing, it be, by Billy Bones.


Arrrrrrr.

I bin thinkin lately of havin Tuckerfan cast me some cannons. Then, me and a gang of scalliwags go to Penn's Landing and 'liberate' one of the ships. Then, with Carbon Face Una stoking the engines, we make fer the Atlantic. Affer that, we survive by swooping down on unsuspecting ships and takin what we need (and possibly an endorsment deal with Captain Morgan).

Twould that be piracy?

[Triskadecamus]

Ahrrrrr!

I mean aye!

Tris

[DocCathode]

(This be from the dim memory of a thing years past. So, it may not come out right)

From Amazon Women On The Moon

Video Pirates!

"Look! A whole chest of laser discs!"

"Bah! They're not compatible with me system."

"ooooh! FBI warning! I'm sooooo scared!"

[klintypooh]

Just got the piracy joke.

[DocCathode]

From DVD to VHS

Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

Copy, the devil be done for the rest

Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum



An iPod filled with stolen mp3s

Kazaa helps me steal whatever I please

Only fools ever buy dvds

The air filled with the stench of burning cds

Screw copyright and loyalties

I'll never have enough copies

Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum


Fifteen million songs on my list

Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum

Who cares if the RIAA is pissed?

Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

[shijinn]

Originally Posted by Triskadecamus

Scan a pdf copy of the receipt whenever you buy a CD. Keep it in a subdirectory of your music directory, and include the file number on the label of any copy you make for your own use. Changing the format of any copy of digital information you have paid for is fair use. Playing it for others in your home is fair use.

Making copies for others to use for any period is not fair use. Selling copies is not fair use. Using copies after you have sold or given away originals is not fair use.

Tris

that makes sense, thanks. even if it is such a stupid hassle for a consumer.