Firefly Film Festival #10: "War Stories". SPOILERS!

I looked around for this week’s thread and lo and behold, it was not here. So, here it is. My DVD set was finally delivered to my office on Friday, but of course it wasn’t actually delivered to me, so tomorrow I’m gonna have to make a fuss until it’s found. (My firewall at work prevented me from actually tracking the package til I got home.)

Grrr.

ANYWAY. “War Stories”. This is a great episode. It’s funny, it’s revealing, it has a lesbian makeout scene. Something for everyone! This episode makes so much clear about the various relationships, between Zoe and Wash, Zoe and Mal, and even Mal and Wash. We see that River is more than just crazy and psychic, she’s quite the little sharpshooter as well.

Practically the entire episode is a memorable quote, but since I’m the OP, I get to be the first to say:

“I’ll be in my bunk”.

Thanks for starting the thread; I was wondering where it was.

I’m a new convert to browncoat-ism, as of the beginning of the month. I’ve been renting the discs from Netflix, which is agonizingly slow in this sort of situation. I finished the third disc this afternoon, and I also caved and ordered the DVDs from Amazon. Fourth disc should be here Tuesday, and a set of my very own a couple days after.

I’ve really been enjoying reading these threads right after watching the episode, but this is the first one I actually get to post on (I mean, I could have posted to the other ones, but only if I wanted to get yelled at for upping old threads.)

So, anyway. The lesbian makeout scene was definitely hot, and I love how Jayne is so exactly like all of my straight male friends about it.

I’m rather sensitive, and a lot of the graphically violent bits in this have me looking away. 'Course, most of this episode is a graphically violent bit. So I may have missed some things. Niska is a wonderfully insane villain, though.

I just wanted to cling to poor Wash the entire time. He’s lucky to have a wife who can kick ass.

Man, I’m going to have to be faster!

This episode is, on the surface, about the comparison between two relationships: Zoe and Mal, and Zoe and Wash. And it works really well at doing that. However, I’m more interested in two other things:

First, Wash’s character just by himself. He really isn’t the soldier/fighter type that the others are. (He was fired… once… from a fry cook opportunity…) He thinks of himself as weak, and needs to prove himself. He would probably think he was proving himself to Zoe, but I think he’s trying to prove to himself that he’s worthy of her.

Second, the crew as a team and family. The way they just all automatically gang together - even Jayne, who calls it suicide - to make a stupid frontal assault on Niska’s. Like Kayle - who can’t even bring herself to shoot - says, the captain would come back for them. As Wash, who has already been tortured, says, no man left behind. The doctor, who has never shot anyone before (and still hasn’t, according to Book), takes up arms. Inara tries to use her influence with her clients (which she has done before). Jayne, of course, doesn’t say a word, just gets a big gun. (Probably looking forward to a night out with Vera.)

The preacher (as Fillion says in the commentary) is good enough with explosives and guns that it’s scary, but River is downright spooky.

Wash and Mal (uh, Fillion and Tudyk) are really funny on the commentary, talking about everything from Inara and her client (and why Jayne’s sponge bath scene was cut), singing along with the theme song (Alan apparently had something with an accordion in mind), to talking about how the torture scene, in spite of being acting, really was torturous - it was still two days in those uncomfortable metal things, clenching up the muscles and releasing them.

Wash delivering the “no man left behind” line with the tiny little gun is a scream, but then listening to him talk about it (it’s not his fault!) on the commentary was even funnier.

Overall, though, I think Wash steals the show this week.

Erin, I don’t think our film festival threads have gotten old enough for the mods to whip you if you post to them - they’re all fairly recent - and neither will those of us posting to and reading the threads.

Having said that, if you want to make a point, you can always relate it to a more recent episode (hey, this bit in “War Stories” was like that bit in “Out of Gas” where blah blah blah), and people will be likely to read it and comment on it.

Zoe- “Is there any way I’m gonna get out of this with honor and dignity?”
Wash- “You’re pretty much down to ritual suicide, lambie-toes.”

And I’m cutting my apples from now on. :smiley:

For the past two days I’ve been really tempted to find a big knife and impale an apple with it and eat it that way, but it would just look silly since I’m not very manly. I may do it anyway.

But your apples are healthsome and good! Grenades cost extra.

::sigh::

My precious DVDs are lent out and I haven’t been able to rewatch the episodes, so my thoughts will be even more scattered then usual.

I love Niska. Well, I hate Niska. But I love the way I hate him. The way he takes such childish delight in finding out that he can get his mitts on Mal, while in the midst of skewering some hapless schmuck… He is just creepifying.

What happens when you try and put Zoe into some wimpy, hand-wringy, girly choice-making situation? She won’t even let you finish talking.

Also:

ZOE: Wait! This is somethin the Cap’n needs to do for himself.

MAL: (faintly, from underneath Big Lackey) No! No it’s not!

ZOE: Oh.

::Tarantino-y gunfire::

I love how Joss never misses an opportunity to turn a cliche on its head.

Mal: “Haven’t you killed me enough for one day?”

Yeah, some of the best lines in the series in this ep. This may be my favorite episode of them all. Not for the gruesomeness of it (and, man, it’s got some of the most gruesome stuff I’ve ever seen on broadcast TV) but for the overall audacity of the thing: here’s a show ostensibly about a bunch of people sailing around in space, yet amid all the sci-fi trappings we get a kitchen-sink drama concerning one man’s feelings of indequacy and his jealousy of another’s past relationship with his wife. Well, that and a discussion on relative levels of expertise in different fields, and how people without the requisite level of expertise are something of a liability when the dung strikes the fan.

The first time I saw this, I watched with my jaw agape the brilliantly acted scene where Mal and Wash are tortured with electrodes while they argue about Zoe (which for Mal is really all about trying to keep Wash’s mind focused away from the terrible things being done to him). It’s somehow utterly horrifying and hysterically funny at the same time.

I too love the way the crew, always perfectly in character, pulls together to spring Mal from Niska’s clutches, and the assault on Niska’s Skyplex is a cracker.

Not sure quite what it says that the ear-slicing scene apparently never caused the same sort of uproar that the same (and less graphically portrayed) event did in the film Reservoir Dogs. Maybe we’ve become more jaded, or maybe by this point in its broadcast run the show was so far off the press’ radar that none of the pundits noticed it.

And let us not forget:

“Take me, Captain. Take me hard.”

:smiley:

My favorite line: “YOU WANNA MEET THE REAL ME???”

This is a good character development episode. For one, it pulls Jayne back into the fold. When last we saw him, he was sitting in an airlock asking if he could come inside. This time, he not only goes to rescue them, but much more significantly, he coughs up a very significant amount of cash to buy them back. This is the first time in the series that Jayne isn’t in to something purely for the money.

Second, it pulls Wash into the crew. Before this, he was snarky, always ragging on his wife for obeying the captain, etc. He was pretty much the only crewmember who wasn’t particularly loyal to Mal - he argued with him in ‘Out of Gas’, he mocked him in the pilot, and he demanded votes about whether to space River and Simon. And it culminated with this episode, when he not only flat out disobeyed, he actually mutinied. But the torture experience bonded him with Mal, and now he’d die for him. And Simon picked up arms in what was nearly a suicide mission to rescue him.

This is the episode in which the crew really cements together.

Simon: “I never shot anyone before.”
Book: “I was there, son. I’m fair sure you haven’t shot anyone yet.” :smiley:

Oh, and what was up with that stupid suction torture machine? Was it left over from the filming of The Princess Bride? Because I swear that’s the same device, only shinier.

I watched this last night & I’m pretty sure the way it was cut, that Simon did shoot one of the bad guys. I took that line as Book letting Simons’ conscience off the hook.

The ear shudder

I just went back and checked the DVD. Maybe. I’m willing to bet that Simon couldn’t hit the broadside of a bus, unlike River…

“No power in the 'verse can stop me.”
shudder

I remember when this first came out there was commentary in various places about how the implied lesbian lovin’ got more of an uproar than the right-out shown torture and violence. :rolleyes:

Best lines of this episode, as delivered first by Kaylee and later by River, under ENTIRELY different circumstances:

When Kaylee was lookin all creeped out at that point, I was RIGHT there with her. :eek:

Also liked the Preacher beign able to identify a weapon by the hole it made, and Jayne being the observant (if not the smart) one of the group. Is it me, or does that just seem to be a Joss Whedon tradition? The stupidest member of the group is always the most observant of what’s going on. Xander in Buffy the Vampire Slayer was an excellent example of this. Though in his case, he HAD to be observant of what was going on, lest he die due to his otherwise total lack of special non-carpentry related abilities.

“No, it’s not!!!” really is the only correct response in that situation.

This is the first time I’ve listened to the audio commentary. Interesting how it calls your attention to things you might not otherwise notice.

For instance, I hadn’t really noticed before when Wash was talking all tough about rescuing the captain, and then cocks the smallest gun on the table. “That gun belongs in a purse!”

I also hadn’t noticed at the end how freaked out Kaylee was about River’s shooting the bad guys until they pointed it out, and then it was super obvious.

I note way back in episode one. Mal says there ain’t no power in the verse that can stop Kaylee from being cheerful. In this episode using the same phrase we see that power.

Just noticed something.

When Zoe realizes who’s got Mal & Wash, she tells the rest of the crew if she doesn’t come back, “I want you to take Serenity and get out of this quadrant.”

There’s a long standing debate about whether Firefly has FTL capability and takes place across many star systems, or doesn’t have FTL and takes place in one very densely crowded star system.

Would it make any sense to describe things as quadrants in a single solar system? Even if you did divide a solar system into quadrants, everything in the system would be constantly changing quadrants, right?