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05-01-2006, 03:27 PM
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Backpacking Dopers...I need your expertise!
I'll be taking my first extended backpacking trip this July in Olympic National Forest (WA). It'll be on established trails, but other than that there will be no amenities or facilities available for 5-7 days.
I'm squared away for a tent, a mat, a sleeping bag, a pack (Gregory Lassen 79-liter), and basic clothing, but I'm still trying to get my head around what to take and what to leave behind. So...if you've done this before, I'm interested in knowing a few things: 1) I'm 6'3'' with a fast metabolism, and I eat a lot. I'd rather not drop any pounds on the trip if I can help it. What are some high-calorie, low-fuss foods you would recommend from experience? Good taste is a plus, but I'm not picky. I'll need to go 5 days without resupply and fit everything into a bear canister, so nothing can be too bulky or large. 2) In your experience, what one item can I not afford to do without? (we already have pots, a stove, a water filter, drinking bottles, multi-tools, lightweight flashlights, lexan spoons, and a GPS.) 3) Conversely, what if anything should I absolutely *not* take with me? 4) Is there a brand/model of hiking boot you would recommend? 5) Do you have any other advice for a first-timer? Thanks in advance for any input. ~fig 
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05-01-2006, 04:37 PM
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The best boot is the one that fits you. Most folks prefer a fairly beefy boot for a week-long backpacking trip. Personally, I'm not a fan of Gore-Tex boots. I find them to be hotter than non-GT boots and in very wet or muddy conditions they don't really work any better than treated leather boots. Go to a place that has many boots in stock, try them on and spend an hour or so walking in them before deciding.
The biggest problem in packing for a trip like this is bringing too much. The more you backpack, the less you bring. One multi-tool for the group is enough. You are unlikely to need one for repairs, and if you do, one is enough. On marked trails a GPS is not needed. Not that it isn't fun to have, but a map and compass is more than enough when staying on trail. You'll need a compass as backup anyways. Use a headlamp instead of a traditional flashlight. The new LED ones are tiny, effective, and last forever. I always carry two light sources, the other is a tiny pocket light. Earplugs. If you're sharing a tent, these are a must.  I generally carry one set of clothes to change into at the end of the day. Pack these in a ziploc and keep them dry and as clean as possible. You'll need far fewer clothes than you think, I usually have a single set of hiking clothes and a single set of nighttime clothes. Plus a few pairs of hiking socks. A deck of cards goes a long way at night, maybe even a travel cribbage board.
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05-01-2006, 04:38 PM
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Going as light as possible is crucial! After my very first backpacking trip, I found that I didn't need at least half the stuff I brought. Going as light as possible adds immensely to your enjoyment of the trip.
For food, again, light is best. Bring as much dried stuff as possible. Instant oatmeal is great. It's very light, easy to make, and tasty. Also good energy food. Pasta and rice is great for dinner. For example, Barilla dried tortelloni (like this http://i4.peapod.com/c/3S/3SQMC.jpg ) is wonderful. It's lightweight, delicious, and easy. For sauce, get one of those pasta sauce packets and just throw in the pot with a little water. So delicious! Any other type of rice/pasta is great (such as Lipton Rice & Sauce or Lipton Noodles & Sauce), just remember to take it out of the package and put into a ziploc bac to save space. Also dried mashed potatoes. Tuna fish, not in cans but in those light plastic vacuum sealed packets. Put it on pita bread or mix in with rice. Granola bars. Pita bread and bagels (breads that won't crush or smoosh). Peanut butter (get the kind in the squeeze tube!) Instant hot cocoa is very welcomed in the morning or before bed. Trail mix - make your own. Peanuts, rasins and other dried fruit, M&Ms, etc... Dried meat such a pepperoni or beef jerky. Those are my favorites!
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05-01-2006, 05:05 PM
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Do you have a titanium spork?
Can't do nothin' without your titanium sprok.
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05-01-2006, 05:06 PM
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05-01-2006, 05:09 PM
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Blister Blockers or something like them. Put them on before you even start hiking and your feet will thank you.
I hope you like the rain. And there's gonna be skeeters. You should spray your tent and clothes with some type of repellent. mr.stretch likes his Zamberlans--they are similar to these. They broke in fast; he's had them 6 years and still loves them. Plus, you can get them rebuilt. However, as Telemark says, the best boots are ones that fit you.
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05-01-2006, 05:20 PM
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Bear Creek soup was a hit my last trip to the BWCA. It's pretty thick, and only requires boiling water. Lots of selection, and we broke it out into meals for 4 sized baggies.
Jerky. Tuna, or a rod and reel  Convertable pants, ya know, the kind that zip off into shorts. 2 pairs of those and your're set. (one to wear while the other is drying). Parachute cord type rope, several feet. You'll never know when you'll need it. Of course, heavier rope to hang your food in bear country. A couple wax firestarters. It's tough to start a fire if it's rained recently, unless you are going strictly gas. I find the 24volt solar powered titanium spork to be indespensible, especially at night.
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05-01-2006, 05:28 PM
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05-01-2006, 05:30 PM
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Summer sausage and some energy/protein bars are good. They have lots of calories for the hiking. Avoid bringing too much clothes. I generally go with just my rain gear and an extra pair of zip pants or boxers and an extra pair of socks. Bring an old fashion compass. GPS is nice, but sometimes they can't get a signal. You can boil water if you want to save weight and dump the water filter. Rolling boil for at least 1 minute. I usually boil water at the end of the night on the campfire, fill up the canteen/nalgenes, and let them cool overnight for the next day. I bring army iodine tablets for backup.
If you are carrying heavy, pick a boot with good support. That will generally mean a heavier boot. Go with the ultralights if you are carrying less (say less than 20 lbs.) Vibram soles seem to weather the damage pretty well. The best advice to travel as light as possible. For a 5 day hiking, going in weight I'm somewhere around 35 pounds, that's with water. Instead of a sleeping mat, I use the portable stadium chairs (http://www.crazycreek.com/) which doubles as a chair. Saving weight is common sense type stuff. Travel size toothpaste, cut off half the handle to your toothbrush, etc.. Use things that have a double use. The cup I use is bigger than a normal cup so I can use it as a bowl as well. Bring 2 mosquito head nets.
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05-01-2006, 06:07 PM
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05-01-2006, 06:17 PM
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First, I will second a number of things that have been mentioned:
- Boots. The ones that fit are the best ones. Get them now, and start to break them in. For a 5-7 night hike, I would definitely go for heavier duty (not day-hiking boots) for the ankle support. - convertible pants. Particularly nylon. They may not seem warm, but they will do fine in wind. And most importantly they dry quickly. And the biggest mistake of my early backpacking was taking too much clothes. You really can get by on very little (especially layering for warmth). - water filter vs. boiling: after years of boiling I love my water filter and live by it. Depending on the size of your group, you might consider a backup (pumping can take some time depending on how many bottles you need to fill). You might trade fuel weight for the weight of the filter, but the convenience factor and more importantly how much water you're carrying at any given time are huge. - if you're on marked trails, I'd ditch the GPS. Yeah, it would be cool. But after the first day, the novelty will have worn off. It may not be much, but it is weight. The only items that I didn't see are: - bug juice. They make combo sunscreen/bugjuice and that works well on hikes. Need to be aware of the sweat factor that will wash it off, though. - trekking poles. While recovering from a broken ankle, I met a guy on a trail, and he swore by them - especially after an injury. I have been using them when I hike - especially on backpacks - and I really like them. - Be sure to seamseal your tent. Don't assume it has been seamsealed. Could ruin the trip, if it isn't. - After you break in the boots, start training for the hike. Load up the pack gradually, and start taking it on hikes with you. This will help callous ;-) your hips, and more importantly get you used to hiking with that kind of weight. - don't forget your camera. Here is where those small, lightweight digital jobs come in handy.
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05-01-2006, 06:19 PM
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I have yet to have a bad experience with Vasque boots.
In case you're looking for something to put on your feet for deep creek crossings and/or to lounge around basecamp, I can't sing the praises of Chaco sport sandals loud enough. My favorite meat to take is hard salami, the kind with the white outer wrapper. Also some dry shrink-wrapped smoked salmon is good. I also like to take a tin or two of smoked mussles or something of that nature, packed in oil. I also burn some weight on cheese. Dehydrated potato-based soups taste really good on the trail, as do most of those creamy/buttery pasta sides that come with the flavor powders included. If they call for milk instead of water, take a 1/2 cup or so of powdered milk. I un-package and re-pack the pasta/soup into small ziplock bags to conserve space, usually including the section of the original packaging that have the instructions.
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05-01-2006, 08:05 PM
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Food recomendations: I dry my own jerky, fruit, beans, and veggies. Veggies and beans get mixed into a dehydrated soup mix, add powdered boulion and hot water and its soup. The jerky and the fruit get eaten as-is. Potato flakes+stovetop+hot water=Thanksgiving in a Bowl...one of the bestest backcountry meals ever (!!!!11one!). Definitely take cheese and cured meat product and tuna in the foil pouch and flour tortillas...these are lunch. I usually pack each meal in a seperate Ziplock bag and contain all breakfasts in one bag, dinners in another, lunch stuff in a third. Always carry a backup stove, but you don't need one for everybody. JetBoils are nice, if your shopping around. I am a big fan of not cooking on the trail. Everything I take can be rendered edible by pouring hot water over it. Oatmeal, quick-cook grits make good breakfasts.
If you are going to be near water sources, take a few (2-3) nalgene bottles per person and a water filter. Boiling water takes lots of fuel if it is cold. Get water bottle holsters for your pack belt so you can drink whenever you want without taking off your pack. Learn how to pack your pack and adjust your pack...it should have some with instructions. A 40# pack that is riding poorly is worse than a 55# pack that is wearing well. Wear gaiters to keep your boots and pantlegs cleaner and dryer. I wear Asolos that they don't make anymore. Vasques are also good boots. Pack almost everything is ziploc bags, with extra ziploc bags. And put your sleeping bag in a garbage bag. If you fall into a river with your pack on, you'll want the stuff in it to be dry. And while your falling into rivers, you should have a quick plan for getting some warm beverage into you if you get wet and cold. Ditch the GPS and cary a map and compass. I was hiking on a well-marked trail last spring when the trail became covered in snow and the blazes were not to be found. We used our compasses and our topo map and dead reckoning to find out way back to the trailhead.
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05-02-2006, 03:42 AM
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compass. I'd highly recommend the watch, compass, altimeter combo.
you might need rain gear since it is Washington. I did extended treks on multiple times in Tibet with hi-tec (sp?) boots. I think the cordura are better than gore-tex boots. Problem with gortex is they don't work well once they get dirty - hard to avoid when hiking. YMMV but i would highly recommend against the big old honking leather boots. come on man, get in this century. Dave Whittiker did Everest a second time with his lightweight boots versus the old leather clunkers, and just raved about the difference. Think about it, the heavier the boot is like wearing ankle weights. Regardless of the shoewear, get 'em now and start wearing them.
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05-02-2006, 06:30 AM
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I do a lot of hiking and the one thing I recomend to people is not to go too crazy buying a lot of gear until you know if this is something you'll want to do often and what kind of gear you would like.
For hiking on a well-established trail, you might consider hiking shoes instead of boots, Salomon makes some nice hiking shoes at reasonable prices. Instead of moleskin or any other kind of blister treatment, I like using duct tape. It has a thousand uses and it works great on blisters. You don't need a whole roll, just a few feet. I doubt you would need a GPS for a trail hike, you should bring a compass and maps, but most importantly you should be sure you know how to use them. Always let people know specifically where you are going and when you will be back so someone will be looking for you. Have fun.
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05-02-2006, 07:41 AM
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Plastic bags - Useful for all sorts of thing from keeping your camera dry if you're walking in the rain, to collecting foraged foods. Sandwich-sized Ziplocs are probably most versatile, but you could just take half a dozen of those really ultra-lightweight sandwich bags - if you take them straight off the roll, they will fold down to nothing at all.
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05-02-2006, 08:12 AM
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05-02-2006, 08:17 AM
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05-02-2006, 08:24 AM
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Thanks for all the wonderful advice so far! I've already started shopping for boots, and two of the brands already mentioned are at the top of my list: Asolo and Vasque. I appreciate all the food suggestions, too.
The clothing suggestions are pretty much in line with what I was hoping to do, so that's good confirmation. A pair or two of "zippy" pants, something comfy to sleep in, and everything synthetic - no cotton. Plus a rain jacket. I think the water filter will be a necessity. Our group will have 7 hikers, and boiling for that many would use silly amounts of fuel. As is, it will take two pumps a while to fill 15-20 nalgene bottles. But the biggest thing I've learned is: 24volt Solar Powered Titatanium Spork.
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05-02-2006, 10:56 AM
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Dump the extra pair of pants and replace them with shorts, or the tops of convertible pants that match the ones you will be wearing. Pack a Nalgene flask of your favorite libation for sipping around the camp and as a sleep aide. Earplugs are a must. Pack a treat or two for days 5-7. Titananium sporks are great, especially if you sharpen one side to use as a knife. Extra parachute cord comes in handy more often than you would think.
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05-02-2006, 11:03 AM
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As far as food goes, many people (me included) find that backpacking does strange things to your taste buds. Stuff that would be nasty at home is heaven on the trail. The one that springs to mind most readily is beef jerky with peanut butter on it. Tried it once at home. Ugh. But on the trail, it tastes like ambrosia itself to me.
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05-02-2006, 11:21 AM
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Ponchos are useful for all sorts of situations and not needing to dig out a bottle for a sip is a real luxury if it's hot. Unless someone else is in charge of medicines you might want to consider a box of assorted tablets and ointments for headaches, allergies, sore knees, upset stomachs, scrapes, burns, punctures and the like...
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05-02-2006, 11:28 AM
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05-02-2006, 11:57 AM
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I used to wear Vasque boots when I did more of this stuff.
I don't know if I ever did 5-7 days (except i did outward bound as a 15 year old). 2 nights was more my style, and I'd bring a loaf of bread, peanut butter, canned sardines, beef jerky, and apples. A loaf of bread might be bulky, but you might go through it in two days, and that will be two days of meals and snacks that you won't be repeating. Even GORP gets boring after a few days. I think that clothes are a thing that tend to get overpacked. I always liked bringing an abundance of good nylon string.
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05-02-2006, 11:58 AM
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That's exactly what I meant.
You will ache the first couple of days, and some aspirin will help, so pack enough. I've used both moleskin and duct tape on blisters. The duct tape has other uses as well, so a very small roll would not be a bad idea. A lightweight pack towel is also a good idea. Keep it in an outside pocket, and you can use it to wipe sweat, soak it in water for a cooling wash, and then tie it to the outside to dry. It also works to keep the back of your neck from chafing against the pack or your collar.
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05-02-2006, 12:42 PM
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Watch every gram of weight. Think three times before you pack anything. However, don't forget the ten essentials. (OK, this link give 14.)
I'm a biting insect magnet and can't survive without my bug shirt and bug pants. Bring the best quality topo maps you can locate for the area where you'll be hiking. Also, bring a larger scale map covering the areas nearby -- you want to be able to find the name of the peak over in the distance. Peanut butter is the ideal hiking lunch. I put some in load-your-own-tubes I buy from camping supply stores.
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05-02-2006, 03:06 PM
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My favorite non-obvious thing to take into the great outdoors is a pillowcase.
I have an ugly old one of 50/50 cotton/poly that I use. I poked holes in the hem at the opening and added a string and a cordlock so it is now a drawstring bag. Why a pillowcase? Well, first of all, it's comfy to sleep on. I've read various advice to put some extra clothes in your sleeping bag stuff sack and use that as a pillow. But who wants to sleep on yucky slippery nylon? Stuffing an actual pillowcase with those extra clothes makes for a much better pillow. And during the day, it serves as a stuff sack to keep my pack organized. I figure a pillowcase could also be used for a wide variety of things if necessary. Like as a dip bag to wash dishes or clothes. Or as an emergency colander. Or, Og forbid, it could be torn apart to use as bandages or a sling. (I don't think it can be used as a spork.) But mostly it's comfy to sleep on, and to me, that's worth the few extra ounces. In other words, it's okay to take a "luxury item." If there is one little thing that will significantly increase your comfort level, then it is probably worth taking.
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05-02-2006, 05:05 PM
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I forgot the salt!!!
Seriously, I've heard that you can take 20 people backpacking and nobody will have salt. Take the salt. And the pepper. And other taste taste-adding things in very small amounts. You can eat the same soup mix for a week, but make it taste a little different every night with wasabi powder, chili powder, mustard powder, soy sauce (in the packets from the take-out place), etc. Small, lightweight...biiiiiiig difference in dinner satiety. And fresh socks for every day. With some extra pairs. I've found that the best thing to do if you start to get a hot spot is to change socks. Preventing blisters is much better than treating one.
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05-02-2006, 05:51 PM
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I've never found the need for a pillowcase. A fleece jacket makes a fine pillow, no need to bring an extra item. It's not a heavy item so carrying it wouldn't cost you much at all.
However, for comfort on an extended trip a cotton or silk sleeping bag liner might be worth it. Remember, 5 minutes after you start hiking all your clothes will be disgusting. Don't worry about having nice clean clothes to put on each day, just put on yesterday's gear. -dave-
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05-02-2006, 06:32 PM
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Pots and stoves? A tent? For 5 days??
Leave the pots and the stove and the tent. Bring some waterproof matches and a canteen cup. Bring 4 extra pairs of socks, 2 extra T-shirts, 5 meters of 550 cord, 5ft of 100mph tape, two LED lights, compass, two ponchos, 6 bungee cords, foam mat, gortex jacket, 1 poly pro top and bottom and warm gloves (I'm betting WA is still pretty cold at night) Put all that in a waterproof bag. Also bring your water filter and/or iodine tablets. All the rest of your weight should be food and water. At least 6 quarts of water to start. 8 Stripped MREs should be more than enough for 5 days. All that can easily fit into a small backpack. No need for a huge hiking one. =)
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05-02-2006, 06:34 PM
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Oh... I forgot the wooby. Add a poncho liner to my list.
You guys with your pillows and condements... holy crap!
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05-02-2006, 06:37 PM
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Sweet Zombie Jesus, Bear! Do you want to scare the poor dude to death?
 That type of hiking is great for experienced foot-pounders. You can really put on the miles packing like that. But that does raise the question: Figaro, are you doing an in-and-out or are you through-hiking? Different camp every night, or same spot for a few? It makes a difference in what and how to pack.
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05-02-2006, 08:10 PM
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Rain gear. I prefer a good poncho over any other type. It is easy and quick to put on and has multiple uses. To go with the poncho, a baseball cap. The brim on the cap along with the hood from the poncho really helps keep you dry (put the cap on first, then pull the hood over it). I've spent may a drizzely/rainy night around a campfire. The cap makes the difference between miserable, and comfy. Quote:
How are you cooking? Over a fire or a stove? Everyone should have a small bic lighter. In a rain forest, without prior experiance I would also recommend some fire starting gel/pelets. How many people are going? Heating up water for tea, rice, coffee, whatever? This can usually be done by placing the rocks around the fire properly, finding a flat one and setting it on it. And/or you can make a tripod out of branches and hang the pot from the center. Make one of the tripod sticks much longer than the others to help keep the cord that is hanging the pot up and out of the way so you can adjust the height. Having one good leather work glove helps a LOT if your cooking over a fire. First aid of course. And mole skin in case of blisters. Quote:
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But there is nothing wrong with rinsing something out in a stream and hanging it from your pack to dry while you hike. - Keep your boots in your tent. You may want to slip them on for natures call. This will also help keep them dry. - Set camp by a stream. - You can wash cookware in the stream with some gravel and pine needles. - Replenish water often. Upon review, I see that TP was mentioned, and the poncho.
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05-02-2006, 09:26 PM
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It looks like everything has been covered.... except a hat and sunglasses. Find a good hat that can be folded up and packed away on days you don't need it. Something that will provide some cover for your eyes and keep the direct sunlight off of your head. Sunglasses with UV protection is highly recommended.
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05-02-2006, 10:55 PM
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Then light is the ticket. Pay attention to the suggestions offered so far. They are right on the money.
A treat for Day 5 is a great idea. A little brownie, some pound cake...anything to make dessert that day special. It will put a spring in your step the next morning. Some of my friends pack a flask of Bacardi 151. You can dilute it down as much as you want, and it adds some zing to certain dishes. I myself prefer a decent armagnac, shared among the group about Day 4. Don't forget a decent supply of GORP. Snacking on the trail keeps your energy up, and makes the day go a little easier. Buy it ready-made or make your own. My personal mix starts with Quaker Granola, raisins, M&M's, butterscotch chips, and slivered almonds.
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It is a little pricey, but does well in rain, washes well and is very light and COOL. I've had mine for about 6+ years, and it's doing fine. I love it for backpacking. If you have an REI nearby, our local store carried it, so you can check it out.
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05-02-2006, 11:20 PM
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Since we're talking alcohol...
There are few things better after a long day on the trail than a Dirty Girlscout (and occasionaly the morning after the night that followed the long day on the trail). Buy a flask of the highest proof mint-flavored alcohol that you can find, and pour a healthy dollup into a cup of hot chocolate. Repeat as needed. Mmmmmmmmm
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05-03-2006, 12:58 AM
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I always start a list like this with the Boy Scout Outdoor Essentials. They're basically the same as the Ten Essentials Ex Chemist linked to, except that the Boy Scout list also includes rain protection (I suppose that there's some slight risk of rain, where you're going). And the first aid kit should definitely include moleskin or other blister protection. I've never heard of using duct tape for that; if that works, then it'd be a good multi-use item. How do you use that? Just a strip over the whole area, or several layers for a donut bandage like with moleskin?
The only other items I'd recommend that haven't already been mentioned would be: Safety pins and rubber bands: Good for improvised repairs of various sorts (at least to get you back to civilization). Wet Wipes or no-water hand cleanser: You're going to stink, and so is everyone else, and that's OK. But you'll want to wash your hands to eat. And one person in the group should have some means of emergency communication... There might even be cell coverage in your hiking area; if not, then a 2-way radio. Certainly you should bring some sort of luxury item (after all, you're doing this for fun, right?), but you know better than any of us what that would be for you. The last time I went outdoorsing, mine was a spice kit (mentioned by some folks above). Mine included garlic, chile powder, boullion, cheese powder, and horseradish. As for what not to bring, don't bring a hair dryer. I'm not joking, here... A few years ago, my mom went on a camping trip (admittedly in cabins, not on a trail), and one of the other women in her group actually brought TWO hairdryers, in case one broke. I'd also recommend against the alcohol, at least for drinking (there'll be some in the first-aid kit as a disinfectant), since it'll dehydrate you. But then, I don't drink, so that might be coloring my priorities.
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