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Old 06-27-2006, 07:23 AM
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600 pound woman ejected through sunroof

apparently, a 600 pound woman was ejected through the sunroof of her Isuzu Amigo. Which begs the question: what are the dimensions of an Amigo's sunroof?

(and for you snarkies: Google wasn't my friend here)
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Old 06-27-2006, 07:40 AM
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"Oh, why not?"

"Because you'll release this section of the hood and activate the passenger-side Ejector Seat. Whoosh!"

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Old 06-27-2006, 09:16 AM
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I am deeply disappointed at the lack of video.
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:21 AM
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I had the same thoughts when I read the story. I think it's pretty fair to say that no factory-installed sunroof would comfortably allow the passage of such a large person.

My guess is that she was essentially "squished" through it. Fat is malleable, bones are not. I'm sure the poor lady sustained a lot of injuries from it.
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:32 AM
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I had the same thoughts when I read the story. I think it's pretty fair to say that no factory-installed sunroof would comfortably allow the passage of such a large person.
Confortably? I don't think ANYONE confortably get's ejected through a sunroof after rolling over their car.

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Investigators say she was not wearing her seatbelt.
I wonder how long it took them to come to that conclusion.
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:37 AM
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Confortably? I don't think ANYONE confortably get's ejected through a sunroof after rolling over their car.
Sorry Lissa, I just re-read that. I didn't mean for it to come off as sarcastic. It was just the first thing that popped into my head when I read it.
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:01 AM
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Anyone know whether or not the sunroof was open at the time of the incident?
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:11 AM
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Paramedics initially tried to fly Matthews to Tampa General Hospital, but her weight, estimated at 600 pounds, made it impossible.
Wow. I wonder if they got as far as actually attempting to fly her out in a 'copter?
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:12 AM
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I had the same thoughts when I read the story. I think it's pretty fair to say that no factory-installed sunroof would comfortably allow the passage of such a large person.
Amigo's have pretty big sunroofs. That said ejections are almost never ever a good thing for anyone involved and are one of the primary reasons to wear a seatbelt. Also a hefty percentage of ejections do not require an open window, our body mass propelled at the speed of a car is often more than sufficent to penetrate and or dislocate any window type structures in a car.
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:18 AM
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Wow. I wonder if they got as far as actually attempting to fly her out in a 'copter?
I doubt it, volume is probably more the issue than actual weight IME. All of the medevac helis I was ever around were very cramped spaces and someone who didn't fit reasonably well on a backboard would not fit on the helicopter. 500-600 pound people are very difficult to handle in almost any emergency situation especially since when they go down hard...invariably its in a small space, upstairs, around 3 tight corners.

Drach Ex-EMT whos back is starting to hurt just from the memories.
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Isosleepy
Which begs the question: what are the dimensions of an Amigo's sunroof?

(and for you snarkies: Google wasn't my friend here)
May I be snarky about "begs the question"?
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Old 06-27-2006, 12:27 PM
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This begs the question: suppose the EMTs that come to the aid of such an accident victim experience back injuries 9as a result of the victim's body weight): who is liable? James Sokolove (ambulance chaser) wants to know!
I hear that hospitals have quite a few accidents as the result of having to transfer morbidly obese people .
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Old 06-27-2006, 12:50 PM
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May I be snarky about "begs the question"?
If you hadn't someone else would have. This one seems to be a hot button around here.
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Old 06-27-2006, 01:50 PM
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I wonder how long it took them to come to that conclusion.
At 600lbs, I doubt the belt would fit around her, anyway. That's a serious amount of mass.

To answer the OP--I agree, the "squishyness" of the fat allowed her to, erm, ooze through the sunroof. Ouch.

She needed to be airlifted from the accident scene, but was too heavy for it. Seriously. Seriously. Not to take this thread on a possible BBQ Pit turn, but I have little sympathy for someone that egregiously obese. Although--good for her that she was still able to drive herself around. I hope she gets the help she needs, both for her body and her psyche.
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:04 PM
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May I be snarky about "begs the question"?
No.

In my thread there's no room for hardcore proscriptivist propaganda, any more than there is for descriptivist butchering of the language. Now, since English is a second language to me, I guess I should favor the descriptivist, but a lot of what they believe is acceptable usage makes me wince.

So I'm on the fence: "Ain't" has it's uses, but "literally" should mean just that.
The idea that "invites the question" is correct, but that begging the question can only be used to describe a logical fallacy seems a touch pedantic to me.

Hey, you asked. So, any idea what the size of an Amigo sunroof is? I'm begging here...
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:07 PM
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No one seems to be wondering how she got into the Amigo in the first place. They don't look like roomy vehicles.
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:36 PM
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No one seems to be wondering how she got into the Amigo in the first place. They don't look like roomy vehicles.
Perhaps she was airlifted and dropped in through the sunroof.
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:48 PM
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Isn't the Amigo the one with the canvas top that rolls back and snaps down in back, making almost the whole roof a 'sunroof' or half-arsed convertible?
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:51 PM
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http://www.autoworld.com/news/isuzu/amigo2000.htm


It is a large sunroof plus retractable sunroof/top thingy.
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:57 PM
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So, any idea what the size of an Amigo sunroof is? I'm begging here...
"-Front glass manual removable tilting sunroof with sunshade " Hopefully it was removed and not just tilted. So if we take the standard sunroof size of 15"x30" (not Isuzu, but generic, pulled off a sunroof company website), that's a total of 90" "around". Here's the sizing measurements for a size 24 (me at ~310#):
Hip Circumference: 53.5", Thigh Circumference: 33.75", Waist Relaxed Circumference: 44.5"

When I was 183# I wore a size 14:
Hip Circumference: 44.5", Thigh Circumference: 28", Waist Relaxed Circumference: 35.5"

So weight went up 69% and hip measurement only 20%. Assuming that pattern holds true, 600# would have a hip measurement of less than twice the 310# one, and fit through 90" around.

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No one seems to be wondering how she got into the Amigo in the first place. They don't look like roomy vehicles.
Internal dimensions: front headroom (mm): 988, rear headroom (mm): 947, front hip room (mm): 1,316, rear hip room (mm): 1,219, front leg room (mm): 1,069, rear leg room (mm): 846, front shoulder room (mm): 1,430 and rear shoulder room (mm): 1,415
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Old 06-27-2006, 02:58 PM
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http://www.autoworld.com/news/isuzu/amigo2000.htm


It is a large sunroof plus retractable sunroof/top thingy.
Thanks! I looked and looked for a picture. That looks at least as big as the standard dimensions I used.
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Old 06-27-2006, 03:06 PM
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http://www.jumy.de/suv/isuzu/Isuzu_Amigo-soft-top98.jpg
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Old 06-27-2006, 03:33 PM
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"-Front glass manual removable tilting sunroof with sunshade " Hopefully it was removed and not just tilted. So if we take the standard sunroof size of 15"x30" (not Isuzu, but generic, pulled off a sunroof company website), that's a total of 90" "around".
Thank you!
Didn't think to google for standard sun roof info.

That's a tight fit, but not as bad as I thougt.
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Old 06-27-2006, 04:11 PM
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Take a look at the link in the OP, there is a link to a video. No narration, but it shows the truck from the driver's side rear, a close up of the roof, a shot from the passenger's side rear, another close up of the roof, and the broken glass sunroof on the ground.
From the looks of the damage to the roof, it appears that she did not fit very well and tried to take the roof with her. Based on the fact that the glass sunroof is on the ground near the car, I am guessing she had it closed at the time of the accident.
OUCH!
That must have hurt.
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Old 06-27-2006, 04:21 PM
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No.

In my thread there's no room for hardcore proscriptivist propaganda, any more than there is for descriptivist butchering of the language. Now, since English is a second language to me, I guess I should favor the descriptivist, but a lot of what they believe is acceptable usage makes me wince.
We descriptivists don't believe something's acceptable usage; we merely describe it. It's the proscriptivists that are in the "right vs. wrong" faith camp.

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So I'm on the fence: "Ain't" has it's uses, but "literally" should mean just that.
A proscriptivist might mention the misspelled pronoun there.

Back to the OP! Reading the thread title, I was wondering when ejection seats were added to passenger vehicles. Then I read the thread and realized that the individual was ejected due to an accident in which she was not wearing a seat belt.
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Old 06-27-2006, 04:24 PM
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prescriptivists, not proscriptivists.
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Old 06-27-2006, 05:29 PM
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Anyone know whether or not the sunroof was open at the time of the incident?
Anyone know for sure whether or not the vehicle actually had a sunroof prior to the incident?
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Old 06-27-2006, 05:48 PM
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As someone who has attempted to exit a vehicle through a closed window during a rollover by not wearing a seatbelt, I can attest that it doesn't hurt as much as one might think it would. Especially once you consider that previously closed windows tend to lose their structural support during the rollover. My best guess at the physics involved is something like Isuzu rolls over onto side, roof of car bends, car rolls over onto roof, little rubber seal that holds it in place ceases to hold it in place, window and unrestrained occupant stay on ground, car rolls onto other side without them. I don't think it is like the occupant hits an eject button and flies straight up. That being said, I have never succeeded in leaving a wrecking car through a previously closed window, so I could be full of it.
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Old 06-27-2006, 07:39 PM
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You see, what started as a sunroof became a ragtop!
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:14 PM
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A 600 lb person still has the skeleton of a 100 lb person. The car just acted as a strainer.
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Old 06-27-2006, 09:19 PM
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A 600 lb person still has the skeleton of a 100 lb person. The car just acted as a strainer.
So now she's, like, thin, but nine feet tall?
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:02 PM
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So now she's, like, thin, but nine feet tall?
No, just thin. I doubt there were any salvageable interior parts. I'm reminded of a severely damaged 57 T-bird in a junkyard. The last driver had long blonde hair. Shudder.
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Old 06-28-2006, 09:49 AM
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No, just thin. I doubt there were any salvageable interior parts. I'm reminded of a severely damaged 57 T-bird in a junkyard. The last driver had long blonde hair. Shudder.
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Emergency crews were able to transport her to St. Joseph’s Hospital, where she is listed in stable condition.
. . . Although I guess "dead" would also be "stable condition."
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Old 06-28-2006, 10:14 AM
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Not to take this thread on a possible BBQ Pit turn, but I have little sympathy for someone that egregiously obese. Although--good for her that she was still able to drive herself around. I hope she gets the help she needs, both for her body and her psyche.
Would her mass have been the reason she wasn't belted in?
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Old 06-28-2006, 11:28 AM
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Would her mass have been the reason she wasn't belted in?
Perhaps but you can buy seatbelt extenders. I think you can even get them direct from the some car manufacturers. Certainly, paying the extra cash for an extender would be better than being unbelted in an accident.
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Old 06-28-2006, 11:49 AM
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I suppose that technically, for a very brief period of time, her sunroof became a moonroof.
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Old 06-28-2006, 12:21 PM
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I suppose that technically, for a very brief period of time, her sunroof became a moonroof.
And then a road roof.
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Old 06-28-2006, 02:17 PM
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I suppose that technically, for a very brief period of time, her sunroof became a moonroof.
I shouldn't have laughed...but that was perfect.
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Old 06-28-2006, 02:33 PM
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The car just acted as a strainer.
Probably more like one of these.
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Old 06-28-2006, 05:03 PM
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So now she's, like, thin, but nine feet tall?
If this is a guess it's remarkably accurate.

I don't know the optimum height for a 600lb woman recently strained through a sunroof, but a meaningful benchmark might be a 600lb wildebeest, which measures up at 8 or 9 feet standing on its hind legs.

That's the end of today's gnus.
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Old 06-28-2006, 05:17 PM
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That's the end of today's gnus.
I expect no less from someone with your screen name.
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Old 06-28-2006, 10:33 PM
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. . . Although I guess "dead" would also be "stable condition."
That would be her inner child wanting to get out.
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