Moms: did you avoid the no-nos as you were trying to get pregnant?

[Beadalin]

My soon-to-be husband and I are very interested in having kids, and I've stopped taking birth control.

There are sorts of little things you shouldn't have while pregnant, and I am fine with the idea of forgoing them while pregnant. That said, I loves me some wine and cheese, especially brie and gorgonzola. And I change the littler box every day.

When you knew pregnancy was possible, when did you start avoiding those things?

[C3]

I don't have a cat, but I stopped gardening in our yard because we had loose neighborhood cats. I avoided soft cheeses, but that's not something that was really hard for me. I didn't have wine until my third trimester, and then it was maybe 1/2 glass during my first pregnancy and a couple glasses (not at the same time) during my second.

Things I didn't eliminate: deli meats, caffeine (although I cut back), tuna (limited amounts), and peanut butter (practically lived on it).

[C3]

Oh, and to answer your question (duh!), I didn't make attempts to avoid anything until those little lines showed up on the test.

[Diogenes the Cynic]

During the first pregnancy we had a cat and I changed the box. The only other thing to avoid was alcohol which was easy for us since we rarely drink anyway. We just didn't buy it. I'm not aware of any risk related to eating cheese. My wife ate plenty during both of her pregnancies.

[Pazu]

Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

During the first pregnancy we had a cat and I changed the box. The only other thing to avoid was alcohol which was easy for us since we rarely drink anyway. We just didn't buy it. I'm not aware of any risk related to eating cheese. My wife ate plenty during both of her pregnancies.

OBs often recommend that women avoid soft cheeses during pregnancy because many of them are made from unpasteurized milk, and thus are at higher risk for food-borne infection. But if you can verify that your favorite soft cheese is made from pasteurized milk, you should be fine. Likewise, they say pregnant women should avoid cold cuts, because of the risk of Listeria infection, but if the meat in question is cooked (like in a hot pastrami sandwich or a freshly-boiled hot dog) it should be fine.

My wife gave up gardening because of the wandering neighborhood shit-machines, and has been avoiding cold cuts and soft cheeses. The alcohol wasn't a huge sacrifice (although a bit of one).

[Beadalin]

Geez, I'm a gardening feind, and it hadn't even occurred to me to avoid it. Hmmm. Thank you for bringing that up.

Thanks also for the tip about pasteurized milk in cheese; I'd understood that Listeria was a risk in soft cheeses AND lunch meats, but maybe I was off-base. I'll ask about that when I see my doctor, too.

[Anne Neville]

Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic

I'm not aware of any risk related to eating cheese. My wife ate plenty during both of her pregnancies.

The problem isn't all cheeses- it's unaged cheeses (aged <6mo) made with unpasteurized milk. In this country, you have to go pretty far out of your way to get those. The FDA doesn't allow them to be imported or sold interstate. You pretty much have to make your own or get them from another country (either you or a friend brings back some runny cheese from another country).

[Tabula Rasa]

I would not attempt pregnancy without cheese. Come to think of it, there aren't many things I would attempt without cheese. Count it as calcium and enjoy.

I drink rarely and in moderation and I kept right on drinking rarely and in moderation in the two days or whatever it was that elapsed between "maybe now is the time to have a baby" and "I sure hope now is the time because I'm pregnant". After the lines appeared in the window, I cut back to the occasional sip from my husband's glass.

I have always had cats and my understanding is that the risk of toxoplasmosis-related complications in pregnancy is highest for women who are exposed to toxo for the first time while pregnant. However, it is never too soon to make somebody else clean the catbox.

The main thing I would suggest, now and forever, is to drink plenty of water. Oh yeah, and try not to stress about the heaps and heaps of advice and horror stories and labor stories that everyone you meet will want to tell you. Get sleep, decent food, and clean water and you'll be way ahead of the obstetrical adventures of millions of women in the world today and plenty in the past, as well.

Tabby

[Rhiannon8404]

I didn't avoid anything in particular during the time I was off the pill and before I found out I was pregnant. I wouldn't go so far as to say we were trying, more like we weren't preventing.

Coffee and alcohol were the two things I gave up for the most part. The coffee took care of itself...by week 8, the smell of coffee make me nauseated. My OB recommened half a glass of red wine, several times a week during the last 2 months of my pregnancy, so that was nice.

I didn't worry about cheese or cold cuts. Suburban Plankton was already in charge of the litter box, so I didn't have to worry about that.

[dangermom]

I gave up Dr. Pepper almost entirely. I did not have soft-cheese, wine, or coffee habits, nor did we own a cat, so I didn't have much to give up in the first place. I did that as soon as we started trying.

(It is probably totally unnecessary to give up all caffeinated soda, but I had a miscarriage the first time and so was a little tiny bit paranoid afterwards. I don't remember what I did with that first pregnancy except for how it ended.)

[Shirley Ujest]

I've never heard the cheese thing.

Then again the day glo orange processed cheese slices are not going to cause any problems because they aren't cheese and they are not food either.

I avoided caffeine and medicines ( with the first.) Cause you do everything right for the first.

With the second, all freakin' bets were off as 1) my sinuses were inhospitalable for a second pregnancy in a row and breathing like somehting is pinching my nostrils shut is just a drag, man. ( I took doctor okayd Claritin.) I never knew what sinuses were before becoming pregnant. Now, crist....I predict the weather.

And when I got a double ear infection, throat infection and sinus infection from a germ infested London-Detroit flight in my 7.5 month, I thought I was going to cough the baby out with all the non-stop coughing I did for five weeks.

Ever cough and do kegels at the same time?

The OB didn't want me anywhere near their office because I might make another preggo woman sick. What about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

The regular doctors could not see anything other my pregnant stomach. fuckers.

I almost kicked a female physician in the privates with anger at the way I was just a farking leper, but I had a terrible coughing spasm that pretty much didn't stop until I drove home (30 minutes) and took a shot of nyquil.


That bump is now sitting next to me talking to my mom on the phone. She has survived with no apparent side effects other than burping like a sailor and has a propensity for Polly Pockets.



On the plus side, when I gave birth to our daughter, it was the easiest birth evah. My muscles from coughin were in A-1 shape. They have returned to their usual gelatinous flabbiousness state.

[Rysdad]

Nothing much to add here except that I had never heard of the cheese thing, either.

One thing I would suggest giving up during pregnancy is baked beans. Oh, they don't affect the fetus as far as I know, but they can irritate the hell out of your husband.

[bouv]

Originally Posted by C3

and peanut butter (practically lived on it).

What risk does peanut butter have? The only thing I can think of is that there is a theory that eating it while pregnant may contribute to a peanut allergy in the child, but AFAIK, pretty much every theory as to why some kids do/don't get allergies is sketchy. Some say don't expose them to X early in, as it will cause a reaction later, others say do do it, cause a lack of cantact makes a hyperactive immune system.

[Alice The Goon]

Just wanted to mention that you should start taking vitamins with folic acid when you are attempting to conceive- it vastly reduces spinal cord defects and it's important very early on.

[Sarahfeena]

Originally Posted by trublmakr

Just wanted to mention that you should start taking vitamins with folic acid when you are attempting to conceive- it vastly reduces spinal cord defects and it's important very early on.

I second this...this is by far the most important thing you can do in early pregnancy to ensure the health of the baby.

[CanvasShoes]

I didn't have a cat, but I stopped drinking coffee and other caffeinated beverages. I don't drink (but on a rare occasion) or smoke at all, so I didn't have any other "no-nos" to avoid.

[C3]

Originally Posted by bouv

What risk does peanut butter have? The only thing I can think of is that there is a theory that eating it while pregnant may contribute to a peanut allergy in the child, but AFAIK, pretty much every theory as to why some kids do/don't get allergies is sketchy. Some say don't expose them to X early in, as it will cause a reaction later, others say do do it, cause a lack of cantact makes a hyperactive immune system.

That's it. I ate at least one PB&J sandwich almost every day of my second pregnancy, so obviously, I don't buy into some of those studies.

[WhyNot]

Relax. Try to, anyway. Get a good multi with folic acid (if you're diet isn't great, see if your doctor will give you a prescription for pre-natals while you're trying to conceive.) I would get someone else to handle the litter box, because - hey - who wants to clean the litter box when your nose is super sensitive and your stomach is extra queasy?

It sounds like you already know the things you should avoid: soft cheeses ('though I didn't, because I never even found an unpasteurized cheese), lunchmeat (again, I didn't, because....well, just because I think the risk is overstated and I like honey ham), peanut butter (again, YMMV based on whatever you read this morning), alcohol, cigarettes, etc. I don't think there's any reason to avoid any of these until you're sure you're pregnant though.

Also, remember that large sea fish are out, due to the risk of mercury poisoning. Chunk light tuna is fine, apparently.

Remember that the first two weeks of pregnancy, before you miss your period, are pretty much a get-out-of-jail free card as far as substances go. The zygote is still free floating and nourished by the egg. It's not "hooked up" to your body or getting anything out of your bloodstream. So don't freak out about a few glasses of wine on the conception night. It won't hurt the baby.

Also remember that often with these things, the quantity makes the poison. There is no evidence that a single glass of wine during pregnancy causes any problems whatsoever. This becomes even more true the later in pregnancy you are. By the fourth or fifth month (after morning sickness has gone away and you're really craving a Cosmo), even a couple glasses of wine in a night for a special occasion are not going to cause birth defects: the gross anatomy is already formed - the baby's just growing at this point.

Obviously, talk things over with your doctor and don't do anything that feels wrong. But I hate to see women freaking out because they forgot and took a sip of champagne at a wedding, or worse, other people getting all judgemental because they see a pregnant woman with a beer. Alcohol has been drunk by pregnant women since pre-historic times without going overboard and harming their babies most of the time.

If you regularly throw back a fifth of Jack Daniels in a night, forget all that and go sober.

[Dangerosa]

I thought I posted this last night, but we spent years trying to concieve. Since I'm not a completely clean living girl (I drink, but don't smoke, eat OK, but not great) - I started all excited and did things right. Eventually, the cat box needs to get cleaned when DH is out of town, you have a drink (or two), you garden, you realize that you LIKE medium rare steak....and I never could do prenatal vitamins - made me vomit them right up.

We adopted and plugged ourselves into infertile. Any attempt at staying healthy pre-pregnancy went out the window.

I got a little tipsy on New Years Eve and missed the first trimester of pregancy because "we aren't fertile" - lived life like normal, and had my daughter.

Both kids - the pregnancy I couldn't control (and I don't have any idea what his birthmom did) and the one I didn't know about to control - turned out "good 'nuf."

If you've had cats, you've probably already been exposed to toxioplasmosis (and I think there is a test that can be run to see if that is true). In which case, you can go ahead and clean the cat box. Most things aren't going to impact until the first tri - so I'd keep having the glass of wine if you enjoy it (but pay attention so you can stop - although it takes a LOT of alcohol to get FAS - which is really rare even for alcoholics in a first pregnancy. Big deal from my point of view is to watch your medications.

For folic acid, one glass of orange juice is 25% of what they recommend for prepregnant and pregnant women. Add two slices of wheat bread and a 1/4 c. of spinich and you are there pretty much there. Folic acid isn't hard to get in your diet (it does cook out - so you want lightly cooked). Beans, peas, poultry also contain folic acid, and its now supplimented in enriched baked goods and cereals. Even "I don't eat too well" me gets enough folic acid (maybe if you didn't drink OJ or were living a carb free lifestyle).

[Nava]

Originally Posted by trublmakr

Just wanted to mention that you should start taking vitamins with folic acid when you are attempting to conceive- it vastly reduces spinal cord defects and it's important very early on.

Not necessarily vitamin pills. If you can get a balanced diet, that's better than pills. Please note that "a balanced diet" doesn't mean eating the exact recommended dose of everything under the sun every single day (getting that notion out of Mom's head required several years and the help of a dozen people).

[Elza B]

Originally Posted by WhyNot

Obviously, talk things over with your doctor and don't do anything that feels wrong. But I hate to see women freaking out because they forgot and took a sip of champagne at a wedding, or worse, other people getting all judgemental because they see a pregnant woman with a beer. Alcohol has been drunk by pregnant women since pre-historic times without going overboard and harming their babies most of the time.

I wish someone would explain this to my in-laws, who had an absolute shit fit over the SIP of wine that I had at dinner one night (in my third trimester - and it was a SIP - it barely even wet my lips), and nearly gave birth to their own cows when I expressed interest in a SMALL half-glass of sparkling wine at that same dinner. I ended up not having that half-glass because I didn't feel like dealing with them (and it had been okayed by my midwife to have a small glass of wine a week...).

The cheese thing has been drilled into me from the beginning, but it's soft cheeses, unpasteurized. The only unpasteurized cheese I've found is my favorite triple-cream Brie from Trader Joe's, and it may be pasteurized, we just didn't see it on the label.

I haven't avoided lunchmeat, or tuna, but I've limited tuna to once a week when I do have it (usually in the form of a Subway sub).

My mantra has basically been 'everything in moderation' (except Twinkies) .

Oh, and I don't change the litterbox, but ElzaHub was doing that before I got pregnant anyway.

E.

[the Lady]

Didn't change anything here. Once I knew I stopped most drinking (I have had about 4 half glasses of wine over the course of the pregnancy) and that was about it.
I was a bad girl and had sushi a couple of times (just couldn't go 9 months without it). I also haven't run across any unpasterized cheeses.
The caffeine wasn't an issue, as I can't drink much more that the "recommended safe" amount without getting twitchy anyways.
Kept up with the exercise and especially running (I ran a leg of a road race relay at 6 months) and I plan to go for a run (okay, shuffle) today at 32 weeks. This has sent my mother-in-law into extreme panic mode. She's convinced I'm harming the baby with every step, and nothing can convince her otherwise. I figure if my doctor isn't concerned, no one else should be either.

[chela]

No i did not avoid the no no's. I continued cleaning the litter box, and as always washed my hands and arms afterwards. I did reduce my alcohol intake to maybe one or two glasses of wine a week. Beer tasted horrible until I was 9 1/2 months, then one day I just had to have a cold one and no way was anyone going to call me out on it. Don't mess with a very pregnant woman during a heat wave.

Good Luck to you!

[Dangerosa]

Originally Posted by WhyNot

Obviously, talk things over with your doctor and don't do anything that feels wrong. But I hate to see women freaking out because they forgot and took a sip of champagne at a wedding, or worse, other people getting all judgemental because they see a pregnant woman with a beer. Alcohol has been drunk by pregnant women since pre-historic times without going overboard and harming their babies most of the time.

If you regularly throw back a fifth of Jack Daniels in a night, forget all that and go sober.

Its one of my pet peeves as well. I hate it when women spend seven months worrying because "I didn't know I was pregnant and had a glass of wine." Or when the pregnancy cops freak when you take a sip from your husband's or friends glass (I think a pregnant woman would be nuts to drink in public these days). And I really dislike it when people freak out over the red wine reduction served over food - or the little bit of alcohol in the tiramisu. (Don't want to consume it, fine, but please don't make it my problem with an extended rant over dinner about how people have no consideration for pregnant women and they should make a non-alcoholic tiramisu and how dare they use alcohol in their cooking don't they realize there is a pregnant woman in the building!!!!!)

[Beadalin]

Originally Posted by C3

I didn't make attempts to avoid anything until those little lines showed up on the test.

That's been my approach so far. But I must say I was a little uneasy about it until I read this:

Originally Posted by WhyNot

Remember that the first two weeks of pregnancy, before you miss your period, are pretty much a get-out-of-jail free card as far as substances go. The zygote is still free floating and nourished by the egg. It's not "hooked up" to your body or getting anything out of your bloodstream.

I did not know that! Excellent! Thank you for spelling that out for me.

Originally Posted by Dangerosa

For folic acid, one glass of orange juice is 25% of what they recommend for prepregnant and pregnant women. Add two slices of wheat bread and a 1/4 c. of spinich and you are there pretty much there.

Also great information. I eat a very balanced diet -- make my own whole wheat bread, eat spinach like it's going out of style, and lurve orange juice. That said, I will probably stock up on prenatal vitamins just to be sure.

I'm much relieved about the cheese thing -- I'll get the details from my doctor, but very encouraging to think that I won't have to necessarily forgo them entirely. I hate lunch meats and don't smoke, so that's easy enough to avoid. I've had cats my entire life so probably have been exposed already to toxoplasmosis. I don't drink a whole lot and cutting it out entirely or just scaling back to the occasional glass won't be a problem -- I'll mostly miss that wine-tasting evenings I have with some friends every other months or so. Those are the times I get quite tipsy.

The tough ones are going to be caffeine (oh for a morning coffee!), sushi and oysters on the half-shell.

So what's the deal with steak? Is medium OK, or does it have to be done more than that?

[jbarro]

This is my first pregnancy, so I guess I've been more paranoid than most. . .

As soon as we started trying to conceive, I stopped cleaning the litter box. I did get tested to see if I'd already been exposed to toxoplasmosis, but after a false positive that showed I had a current infection (the doctor said that if I had been pregnant then, I would have to terminate the pregnancy), I got two negative tests in a row. Frankly, I wish I had been exposed before, as it would be one less thing to worry about. So I don't garden either, and I'm really careful with raw meat (washing repeatedly, bleaching countertops, etc.). Apparently more people contract toxoplasmosis from raw meat than cat feces.

I also gave up alcohol when we started trying to get pregnant (this wasn't a huge sacrifice to me as I only drank a few drinks a month anyway) - luckily it didn't take long though.

After I found out that I was pregnant, I also cut out deli meat and soft cheese. I was so excited to find hard, pastuerized feta cheese at the grocery store. I missed that more than alcohol. I still don't eat feta in restaurants, just in case. I also don't eat Caesar salad in restaurants (raw egg in the dressing).

Like I said, I'm way too cautious, because I also don't eat food cooked with alcohol, such as beer-battered fish or meat with a whiskey-based sauce, etc. I read in one of my pregnancy books (sorry, can't remember which one) that it takes 2 hours of cooking to evaporate 80% of the alcohol. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but my husband's more paranoid than I am, so it's not worth stressing him out over an order of onion rings.

A recent "no-no" - bagged prewashed salad. I only found out about the e coli risks a couple of weeks ago. So now I end up buying hydroponically grown lettuce and washing it myself. I can't wait until this baby's born so I can stop worrying about what I put in my mouth! (I know, I'll have a million other things to worry about then.)

[Elza B]

Originally Posted by Beadalin

The tough ones are going to be caffeine (oh for a morning coffee!), sushi and oysters on the half-shell.

Errr...I had one or two Cokes a day from the first tri until last week, and I'm about to give birth. The only reason I quit drinking caffeine is because I've had problems with restless legs, and noticed a pattern of it after I'd had a Coke, so I cut them out of my diet (and my restless legs have gotten much better). Everything I've read says that you can have up to 200 mg of caffeine a day without doing any harm - so about 2 1/2 cups of coffee. I don't quite get cutting out caffeine completely (especially with that first trimester fatigue...I never would have made it through without some sort of caffeine in the morning). There've been some studies that MAY link it to first trimester miscarriage, but they were outrageously high amounts of caffeine, like 500 mg a day.

So what's the deal with steak? Is medium OK, or does it have to be done more than that?

I've been eating mine medium rare this whole time . But again, I don't have steak very often. If I had it more than the once every couple of months that I do, I'd probably cook it medium.

E.

[the Lady]

As far as I know, medium steak should be just fine. I've never heard otherwise.

And you don't have to cut caffeine out entirely (unless it bothers you, of course) I believe the recommendation is no more that 4 8oz cups of coffee a day. (keeping in mind that no one drinks an 8oz coffee anymore...but it does mean you can likely have one large coffee a day and stay well within the current guidelines)

[Beadalin]

Sweet! I get to keep my coffee! (I have a latte every morning, nothing else.)

[WhyNot]

:eeks in to check for flames from last night's post::

Phew.

Beadalin

I did not know that! Excellent! Thank you for spelling that out for me.

Yep. Again, check with your doctor about anything specific you're worried about. But I had a scare with WhyKid: I was taking Provera (not Depo-Provera, Provera's different) which is well known for causing birth defects. I was so freaked out, because I took them to regulate my menses, six pills or so and then I'd menstruate. Only I was pregnant, so I didn't menstruate. Which meant I took six pills within a week of conceiving, when I didn't know it yet. He reassured me that the timing couldn't have been better: WhyKid was still floating around in a happy little disconnected bubble, and wasn't exposed to the drug. He then said the same is true of alcohol and drugs and joked that it was a good thing, since so many babies are concieved when the mother is imbibing!

Here's a fairly comprehensive list of caffeine content, if you do decide to indulge in that morning coffee. As you can probably guess, I'm not a fan of forced abstinence here, either. I do counsel Starbuck's addicts to switch to decaf if they're going to continue their 4- grande a day habit, but a single small cup of the real stuff won't do any damage.

The problem with all of this "small to moderate amounts won't hurt" is that it makes doctor's glance nervously at their malpractice insurance. If a patient interprets "moderate" as 6 cups of coffee, a pack of smokes and a six pack every day, then of course Bad Things might happen. So the doctors tell us to avoid it all so there's no risk of being misinterpreted.

On the toxo angle: there is a blood test your doctor can do BEFORE you get pregnant to see if you've already got toxo antibodies in you. If you do, you're fine and can clean the cat box and garden to your heart's content. It's only if you're clean now and get toxo while pregnant that it's dangerous. A pre-existing case of toxo isn't dangerous, and it's pretty likely that you already have it.

[WhyNot]

Oh, the other thing to remember about coffee is that the darker the bean, the less caffeine. A light breakfast blend has a lot of caffeine; a super dark Columbian roast has much less. So drink dark and use lots of milk in your one latte a day!

[Beadalin]

On the toxo angle: there is a blood test your doctor can do BEFORE you get pregnant to see if you've already got toxo antibodies in you.

I will get that scheduled ASAP. Thanks for the info.

Oh, and the coffee we have is that Trader Joe's super-dark roast, so it looks like it should be fine. The mix is half a mug of frothed milk with a shot's worth of coffee, which seems to be in the OK-zone. I don't drink soda or anything else with caffeine. Who knew I had so many good habits? Ha ha.

[Dangerosa]

I think the steak thing has to do with toxioplasmosis, which can be carried in rare meat.

BTW, do you have an OB? Cause I loved mine (the clinic also did my infertility), am in the Twin Cities, and he catches his own babies (an important criteria for me). Oh, and while OJ is good for folic acid, it is bad if you turn out to be prone to gestational diabeties - juice is mainlining sugar - moderation is the key in pregnancy in all things.

jbarro - you aren't too cautious if you are comfortable. But its good to be informed so that if you do discover that the cake had Kahlua in it, you don't freak out - my own belief is that the stress is worse for the baby than the trace alcohol. (By the way, vanilla extract also has alcohol in it. If you worry over beer battered onion rings, you might want to skip the creme brulee and chocolate chip cookies as well. Maybe best not to let the husband know and just keep it between us girls).

[Beadalin]

Dangerosa, I dropped you an email. Thanks!