The beginning of the end of my marriage

Well, after years of small problems, and months of serious problems, it’s over.

A couple of weeks ago I posted this in IMHO asking if anybody has saved their marriage through counseling. Some of you were astoundingly able to remember this thread from four years ago where I was complaining about her overspending habits I mention in the above thread. Finally, after she spent two nights with the kids (needlessly, IMO) out of the house, I had a semi-breakdown that seems to mark the end of it.

The day after my breakdown, I was going through email and found a weeks-old email in the deleted items folder where she told somebody that she was “separating soon”. It was news to me. I held onto that and kept an eye on the folder. Apparently she was deleting email from the “Sent Items” folder in order to hide her messages. She forgot that they ended up in the Deleted folder. I watched this folder for a couple days and saw where she was replying to online personal ads on Craig’s List. In these two replies she said she was already separated and living independently.

I was just crushed. I already suspected that she didn’t really want to save the marriage. Four weeks of counseling didn’t change her behaviors at all. This, however, was hard proof of her intentions, I thought.

I didn’t want to tell her what I had found. I thought the situation would rapidly spiral out of control. I resolved to talk with her when she and I had our next counseling session. I thought that having the counselor there would act as some sort of control mechanism.

So, Thursday I told her what I had found. First I revealed that I knew that three weeks back she had told somebody that she was separating soon. She said that she was feeling uncertain that day and it was a momentary thing. Earlier that day she found where I had forwarded that email to my workplace for safe storage. I figured I might need it in a custody battle (and I wasn’t any better at covering my own tracks). She was prepared for this revelation from me.

After that, I said, “Well, OK, then… what about these?” and I showed her the two emails in response to the personal ads. She was angry and grabbed them from me. Yes, I took some secret joy in catching her off-guard, but it was a bitter joy. She claims that she wasn’t having an affair and I said that was true but she was *trying *to have one.

So, after tears and accusations, we decided in front of the counselor to separate. She’s sleeping with my daughter in her room (bunk bed) and I’ve got the master bedroom. We’re going to stay together until she gets a full time job and then go different ways. We agreed that we wouldn’t date until we’re really apart - I feel it would confuse the kids if they found out.

We’ve actually had a pretty good week since then. I was finding myself hoping we might yet reconcile. Our 11th anniversary is two weeks away, I was going to romance her and see if I could get her considering giving it one more try.

Of course, typical of her I-want-what-I-want-when-I-want-it attitude, she’s already gone out with “Vince”. She told me she was going out with her girlfriend that evening. Another lie. She doesn’t know I know and I guess I’m not going to tell her. If we’re separating, there’s nothing further to be talked about.

I’ve given up. I’ve got this permanent knot in my chest. I feel like like somebody close to me has died. I’m not sure if I’m grieving for her or for the loss of this dream of mine; the dream of being married, raising kids together, & growing old with somebody.

Part of me is saying that I should buck up - she’s the one who wants out of the relationship and it’s not my fault. I hear that, I understand that, I also just can’t make myself believe it somehow. Not now anyway.

I was on match.com last night reading personals. Just window shopping, see if the waters would welcome me. I’m not very sure that there’s much out there for a 41-year old, overweight man with three kids. I’m worried that I’m going to spend the rest of my life alone. I don’t do well with “alone”. Not my nature.

I just feel so damn weak right now.

KEEP THOSE E-MAILS.
Tell me you made another copy, please. Because I’ve been following your saga from the beginning and I would not put it past her to screw you over royally.

I know it’s tough as hell right now but in the long run, it’s going to be better for you. There is absolutely no reason to continue to maintain any kind of relationship with someone not even willing to try.

What about the kids, will you fight for custody? She does not sound like a fit mother for them.

Lastly, your whole e-mail smacks of a feeling of failure. Yeah? Really? Look into your kids’ eyes and tell me how much you failed. Your kids love you? Are they decent young children? That is not a failure. And you can’t afford to think of yourself as a failure, your kids need you badly right now.

All the best to you and hang in there. Drop me a line if you want to talk. elenia25 @ gmail.com.

I am sorry things didn’t work out for you and your wife. Unfortunately, if only one person wants a marriage to work, it’s not going to work.

Being alone isn’t all bad. Don’t rush into another relationship - give yourself time to grieve for this one.

I do worry about her dating while you are still supporting her. I don’t think that is fair to you.

{{{{Belrix}}}}

I worry more about how she evidently thinks it is somehow OK to agree not to date, then lie so she can go out on a date. I don’t think that is the sort of behavior one would expect from a fit mother, either.

Damn Belrix I’m sorry. Not for the marriage, but for the crap you’re going through. Time to circle the wagons and do the stuff you need to do to make your life (and your kids life) better. Get through it, then spend some time getting over it.

FWIW, that’ll be easier to do without another person in control, doing stuff that makes you feel like crap.

After the smoke clears and things settle down, you will wonder why you hung on so tightly to begin with. It will be as good as you want to be when you are ready.
Take it one moment at a time.

oh, yes - if you haven’t already, talk to a lawyer. Are you going to try to get custody?

non-sexual man hug

Man, Belrix, I’m sorry to hear that. I know the pain well, having been divorced for just over a year.

A light at the end of the tunnel, if you like: as a 33 year old, overweight (depending on whom you ask) father of four, I’ve found the waters of dating surprisingly welcoming. I’ve just stuck to looking for single or divorced mothers, because who else is really going to be able to relate? Besides, if a woman in my general age bracket (or yours, or in the overlap) doesn’t already have kids, she probably either (a) knows she doesn’t like kids, or (b) wants kids really badly, and now, because the ol’ clock is ticking. Neither of those is going to work, since I really love my kids but don’t want anymore for a long time, if ever.

I’ve rambled too much. Hey, if you want someone to talk to, shoot me an e-mail.

I don’t believe dating = an unfit mother. An outright affair wouldn’t either (unless she’s having sex in front of the kids).

Not sure about your state, but in Illinois, mudslinging is pretty much irrelevant with regard to divorce. They divvy up the property according to prenups and law. Bad behavior doesn’t mean anything.

Good luck to you. It will take time but you will eventually feel better…time really does heal all.

Sorry to hear about your troubles.

I do understand the drive to overlook her wrongdoing and the hope that, however unlikely, things will change. But deep down, you know they won’t.

So I second the suggestion to see a lawyer ASAP.

Please tell me there’s a time limit on this. Based on what you’ve said, she will never get this done. She’ll stay with you, living on your dime, until she finds another guy.

Thoughts and prayers for you, Belrix.

First thing is to take care of yourself. Eat healthy. Excercise to get fit. This will help you handle the pressures and stresses of going through this ordeal, regardless if you get back together or not. Stay in counseling for yourself. Improve on your own issues and problems regardless if she wants to be a part of it or not…right now, it’s about you being ok, not her. An affair (and that is what it was, regardless if there was sex or not) will be temporary…months to maybe 2 to 4 years, tops. There is still hope for you getting back together…IF you still want to…she will go through her “falling in love” phase and then she will start acting the same way with the Other Guy the same way she was with you. Why? Cause she didn’t address her own issues. At that point, you will have the control of getting the marriage back on track IF you choose to…but it is important that you work on improving yourself so you don’t repeat your shortcomings (and trust me…we all have them), to mess up your marriage in the future or to mess up a future relationship with someone else. Women like men who are confident about themselves…so go out there and build it.

Here is another post that I posted not too long ago with someone else in your shoes.

And yes, I’ve been there and done that. Our marriage has been stronger now more than ever. Good Luck!

I can’t say I understand what goes on when someone behaves like this, but what I read made me angry about her behavior. Not so much that she agreed not to date, and not so much that dating makes her an unfit mother, but that this was said…

I’m sorry. She agreed not to date because of the kids and trying to make this a little easier on them, then lied. It is so sad that she behaves this way…

Anyways…

Belrix - I’m sorry to hear about this. I remember the IMHO thread, but that was all I knew of really. I know it’s rough, but I promise, it gets easier with time. If you ever need anything, serious, just drop me an email at the one in my profile…

Brendon

Thanks all for the hugs.

I was thinking about trying for full custody but the lawyer I spoke with assures me that since she’s not a drug-addict, alcoholic, or child abuser, I have no chance of it (unless she volunteers for it). I should be able to get 50% - one week on, one week off, or similar.

Colorado is a “no fault” state so it doesn’t matter if she was humping the defensive line of the Broncos, it doesn’t count toward settling property or anything. It might be relevant to the custody issue but our situation is mild compared to many and there’s little chance of getting more than 50% custody.

I want to try to keep lawyers out of it as much as possible - either use mediation or just come to an agreement ourselves. Right now, I’m sure she’s going to want me to keep paying on her (legally my) car. She doesn’t want the paid-off vehicle because it’s too old and not very sexy. She wants me to keep her on my insurance, too, but HR says I can’t once we legally divorce.

Unfortunately, I make probably three times her earning potential so I’m going to be shelling out at close to $900+ a month in child-support (assuming I get 50% custody) plus half the daycare bills. I love my children but this is a major chunk of my take-home so it’ll be painful. I worry that her bad habits with money will affect the kids when they’re with her. I worry that, even with me paying for her vehicle and contibuting an additional $900 to her accounts, she won’t be able to make ends meet and will get in trouble that affects the kids.

It makes more financial sense for the kids to be with me while she gets visitation but I know she’ll never go for that.

To address the other question - there’s no time limit on finding a job. If she leaves with no income, the resulting legally-mandated child support is crippling, it’d consume half my take home pay. It’s also just plain mean to kick somebody out without some sort of support.

I married an overweight 47-year-old with six kids and two prior marriages. I’m no supermodel (not even close), but he seems to appreciate me.

But your next partner should be the least of your worries right now.

The only advice I have to offer is that if you’re sure the marriage is over, get separated as soon as possible, even if one of you ends up in a studio apartment or grandma’s garage. Staying in close proximity to someone who broke your heart will only make things more difficult.

Good luck. Hugs to you and your kids.

No - but the money issues he discussed in the other thread do make an unfit mother. She has no sense of how to balance a budget or live on an income at all.

Neither do I. But “dating” is a very different issue than “agreeing not to date for the sake of the kids, then lying and going out on a date anyway”.

If she disagreed with Belrix and thought that the kids would be OK with her dating now, the mature thing to do would have been to refuse to agree not to date, not to agree not to date and then go out on a date anyway. It’s the breaking of the agreement and the lying that I think say something bad about her character, not the dating.

Well, my opinion is that they threw in “for the sake of the kids” because neither of them wants a third party thrown in their face. There is no reason for the kids to ever find out. Judges don’t care if you lie to your children about your personal life as long as you’re not doing something illegal.

Correct. But that ain’t dating. Belrix can toss the emails and drag out the credit card statements. A judge really doesn’t want to take children away from their mother for shit like that, though. He could order her to take classes to learn how to manage money.

In your opinion it does (and mine too to a certain extent) but not enough to matter in a dissolution of marriage. People seem to have this 1950’s version of how divorce works. Shit like that makes not a drop of difference to the Court unless someone is a drug addict or beating the crap out of the kids on a weekly basis.

These days, assets are declared and split down the middle and alimony and child support is determined by a formula. Nine out of ten divorcing couples don’t even see a judge in California or so I was told by the lawyer who mediated my divorce. Not sure about CO but it’s probably comperable.

I don’t have kids so I can’t begin to relate but my parents had an awful divorce while my sister who does have kids had a “good” divorce. The best advice that I can give you is the tone that you set at the beginning will carry through. It will be infinitely better for your kids if you can get through this with as little trauma as possible and remain civil in front of them.

The fact that her usual housekeeping habits are so poor that her own father refuses to vist and gives that as a reason might tip the scale in your favor more than you think though, Belrix. I wish you and your children the best, I hope you can win what is best for them. (And yourself, that goes without saying. She’s got issues with herself to work out I think, before she can find what is best for her.) Good luck.